InMemoriamSirocco
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Yeah because a sudden inintentional disconnect can only be problem with your own hardware at home, right?
*eyesroll & facepalm*
Fix Alt F4 in Patch 1.1 please
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Yeah because a sudden inintentional disconnect can only be problem with your own hardware at home, right?
*eyesroll & facepalm*
Eve, Eve, Eve. Do you bang on about ED on the EVE forum as much.
Yeah! Because the broadband coverage and reliability is so good in the SW in the UK, let alone other regions, or other countries. Obviously it must be people's outdated systems. Love your "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
A pretty strong comment..from what i`ve seen its not a statement of where they want to be at all..the entire goddamn game is one giant placeholder that still isn`t ready for release..they got it out to milk the Christmas period and are now trying to fix it as they go along...expect some serious changes eventually.As for Solo...thats a whole different kettle of fish thats there because they promised a single player game to get a lot of money off people..and knew damn well if they didn`t put some version of it in the lawsuits would have been epic,sweet FA to do with avoid PVP.
yeah, I'm all in favour of that fix coming quickly
I think if Fd were to do anything with this 'issue', such as it is, or isn't, then what they need to do for now is to maintain some basic metrics, record the events that lead to ending the game session and see where these occur in relation to engaged combat. If there is persistent ending of gaming sessions close to engaged combat by the same players then review who the other player(s) involved are and see what it all looks like. If I were FD and was remotely interested in this issue I woudl already be doing that, no point coding a fix for a problem that actually isn't much of a problem anyway and certainly no point coding a fix based on what gets posted in these forums without some hard evidence to back it up.
Figure out how to distinguish between a plug pull and a legit disconnect then make demands. See you in solo. Er wait, no I won't.
BlackReign
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Alt-f4'ing out of a game is not cheating. But it is poor gamesmanship, no question. Nothing ED can do about the alt-f4 function, that's an OS control. And you wouldn't want to prevent this (for support issues) anyway. What ED needs to do is find ways to discourage this behavior in game. This has been discussed to death. It's a problem in all multiplayer games.
The only viable solution is to introduce a log-out timer or 'cool-down'.
This does two things;
- Encourages players to safely store their vessel prior to logging (sensible immersion)
- Prevents Logoffski's from defeating in-game mechanics.
The scenario is this, a commander initiates a log-off and saves, per normal. However, the pilot's vessel remains in motion if he/she is flying through space. This same rule applies if docked, however, the ship is entirely safe provided it's properly docked. This timer should be no less than 30 seconds and ideally 60 seconds.
This would effectively discourage log-outs and encourages and element of immersion the game currently lacks.
This does two things;
- Encourages players to safely store their vessel prior to logging (sensible immersion)
- Prevents Logoffski's from defeating in-game mechanics.
The scenario is this, a commander initiates a log-off and saves, per normal. However, the pilot's vessel remains in motion if he/she is flying through space. This same rule applies if docked, however, the ship is entirely safe provided it's properly docked. This timer should be no less than 30 seconds and ideally 60 seconds.
This would effectively discourage log-outs and encourages and element of immersion the game currently lacks.
BlackReign
Banned
So now, the already term "griefers" is being expanded? Really dude?
Except that the people you are (erroneously) referring to are also abusing this exploit, and quite possibly more often than others.
In terms of disconnecting, there was a suggestion a bit back that might work, and only negatively affect those that kill people for 'fun', added my own thoughts to it.
upon disconnection, the person that disconnects loses cargo, and a npc/dummy ship remains in their place and if destroyed the one that destroys them get whatever bounties are on the original person.
However, the person that is disconnected, does not lose their ship, upon relogging they would be returned to nearest SC point with say, 1% hull and module damage at where they were upon disconnect, but without cargo and ship in whatever state it was upon disconnect, they can then limp to safety and repair.
seems like a doable compromise, yes it could 'maybe' be abused to get rid of bounties without losing ship, but the person would still need to pay repairs and such.
upon disconnection, the person that disconnects loses cargo, and a npc/dummy ship remains in their place and if destroyed the one that destroys them get whatever bounties are on the original person.
However, the person that is disconnected, does not lose their ship, upon relogging they would be returned to nearest SC point with say, 1% hull and module damage at where they were upon disconnect, but without cargo and ship in whatever state it was upon disconnect, they can then limp to safety and repair.
seems like a doable compromise, yes it could 'maybe' be abused to get rid of bounties without losing ship, but the person would still need to pay repairs and such.
As people quite clearly can't be bothered to read the posts in this thread before posting there seem no point in reading it any further.
This is not wanted as it was said that logging off anywhere in space (supercruise or not) should be possible or otherwise exploration would be almost impossible. (you never could be sure outside of a station your ship will survive even if it is unlikely)
And, i enjoy beeingf able to log off anytime i want - so i can start e.g. a trading run and can stop and continue anytime I need to without having to worry about anything.
On a side note:
I usually play in Open mode b.c. i like to PvP in Conflict zones, and most groups are too small to reliebaly find other players in them. I dont like beeing pirated or otherwise harrased, but i dont always relog just b.c. i am changing gamestyles (or flying back to the station in a crippled ship). So if i get attacked by a player i totaly quit the game simply b.c. i dont want to play htis part of the game.
If there was a "no pirating" paly mode i would use this, but there isnt. And given the low numbers of pirates i have encountered so far, open + alt-f4 is the better solution for me compared to group or solo mode.
^^ You're free to log off 'anywhere you like' but consider that your ship will be visible in space for the duration of the timer. Logging off during a super-cruise or warp is just plain stupid. It encourages commanders to find a spot to safely log-off. Full stop, someplace away from traffic.
And what's the default advice generally offered to anyone who doesn't want to have to deal with griefers?
Altogether now - on three.
Three!
You can always go and play solo to avoid griefers...
Well, I like it as it is. i voted status quo, with whatever consequence it entails.
+1 exccpt maybe the "cowardly bit".
I wonder what percentage of players that do it are doing so because they just don't want to pvp versus those who engage in a fight and do it when they start to lose.
The second group could rightfully be called cowardly but not the first.
I wouldn't mind betting there is quite a few who will do it just to get up the noses of those who are making all the noise about alt/f4'ers ruining their game.
Its a game, play it the way you want and let others do so too.
People flat out call PVP griefing. So if they are going to make everything grief, than so can i.
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