I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pirates are aggressive panhandlers in this game.
On behalf of pirates everywhere...
- Thread starter DefiledDragon
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keep up the abusive behaviour and we will not be seeing you for a while. I really do not care what you do and reading your posts makes me laugh. I will not give you abuse because we all have that Ignore button. My advice to you is just watch what you call people because some words which you use are very offensive.
I do not like player pirates and I refer to them as the PK Squad. I enjoy PVP and its great to be a bounty hunter. You may not like people firing back but its great to see pirate ships going bang.
I say, Have a nice day.
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yep they sure are
mmhh strange snotface.. i was in lave and diso before, there i died in my cobra to another cobra, that played the game : im not leaving my track, so i did the same and we collided massiveley.. i dont know if he died too, he was out of shields and i still had 50% and composite hull. but also there i met a nice viper pilot who fought me twice.. but hey dumpfire missiles against a viper in an asp ?? you must be joking arent you ?? you wont hit a type 9 with that setup... yeah i will come over please show me your aiming with that joke ^^
There is a difference in Piracy and what we have in this game. Piracy itself is something you can live with because you know they are after only one thing and that's your cargo. But in this game people use Piracy as an excuse to continually attack the same person over and over again, which changes the point of being a pirate.
Piracy is a main aspect of the game, and if I was one of those players that wanted to play a pirate then I would be one that fires warning shots and just does not kill just for the pleasure of killing. We have NPC pirates that behave better than the human pirate, at least you can run from them.
I believe that everybody has the right-to-die, mostly something I give to pirates that attack me.
and dropping 4-6 cans is less of an impact on you when you have more cargo to start with
traders seem to forget that pirates have limited cargo space we do not want ALL of your cargo only a 2-6 cans
if your hauling around 100 rares dropping 4 cans is hardly going to do much to your profits
Lawinterdictions are anoying but easily avoided (won). And yes, traders that do not drop cargo get their shields taken down and i will try to attach a limpet. Or i go for the cargohatch. But i activly try to not kill him. Many live to tell the tale, but almost always with less cargo than before.
Tho there are situations where you make their ship go poof. Last night i had a dude who claimed to not know how to drop cargo and after explaining how to he said his cargo hatch was deactivated. At this point two of his friends (i assume they where) dropped in on me. So i boosted away and jumped out, reinterdicted him and just killed him.
About the people pulling the plug: about 10% did that on me... i report everyone, add them to the list to be KOS and go on.
And yes... there is some efford to find a good place to pirate. You cannot sit in one system and expect traders to show up.
The ASP is great for pirating. Everything up to and including T7 is doable. Cobras can be too fast, but thats just how it is. But atleast you can masslock those T6s and ASPs.
The one thing I hate about pirating (I only pirate npcs) is when you've dropped a type 6 or a hauler to 10% hull, shot out it's hatch and it's blown it's cargo everywhere, instead of running away it turns around and attempts to fight back whilst you're scooping. I wonder if this is why people turn to pirating real players over the atrocious AI.
You can masslock t6 with cobra too AND hunt down other cobras. There is really no advantage of using Asp for piracy.
ciger
Banned
You can? Last time and it was back in gamma if I remember correctly a cobra was not able to mass lock a T6. All the T6 commanders were spooling their FSDs as there was no tomorrow with no obvious delay that would indicate they were being mass locked.
Check the stats. Cobra's mass is actually a bit bigger than t6 (t6 155T, cobra 180T). Dunno how much cargo affects it and you probably have to be closer than your average 2-3 km range. But it definitely works (source: experience).
ciger
Banned
cool good to know, might trade in my asp for a cobra as the upkeep costs are a bit silly for my asp
Pirate ship comparison:cool good to know, might trade in my asp for a cobra as the upkeep costs are a bit silly for my asp
| Asp: | Cobra: |
| Pro: | Pro: |
| Good Mass | Fast |
| Room for plenty of toys and loot | Cheap (100cr per % hull) |
| Very good firepower | Decent firepower |
| Con: | Con: |
| Slow | Less room for toys and loot |
| Expensive (2000cr per % hull) | Not as durable vs Bounty Hunters |
Both by all means make for excellent robber-ships. With the Asp you get stuff done faster, victims are mass-locked longer and you don't have to leave your hunting ground too soon as you can store up to 60-70t of loot even when fully kitted with pirate toys (Hatch Breaker, SCB, Fuel Scoop, FSD Interdictor, Warrant Scanner, Cargo Scanner, Wake Scanner and Chaff). With the Cobra you either go with very low loot-capacity or less toys. And even then, you need make priorities - you can't fit all pirate toys. Not room nor power to do so. On the bright side, nothing will outrun a Cobra and it cost next to nothing to repair.
You do NOT masslock a T6 in a Cobra! Masslock is NOT based on your mass, but instead it seems to be based on a table... A good guideline is: if their basehull costs more than your basehull you do not masslock it.
ciger
Banned
Nice comparison, pretty much agree with everything except the ASP being slow, I boost to almost 390 which is quite decent for such a heavy ship. And hell even the repairs would not be much of a problem, things go bad I can run away. It is the wear and tear that is a bit too much especially for a pirate who needs to interdict its pray.
Nah, I doubt that. Yesterday I took out two t6s and they were spam spooling their friendship drives while I was within 1-1.5 km. Why would they do that then? Of course, some relevant testing would be better. Point being I have never had any problem with t6 escaping while in cobra.
Pirating in an Asp works just fine. I make more money in an Asp then I did in a Cobra. Why?
1) It's much easier to pirate other Asps
2) It's much easier to pirate Type-6s. If you see a Type-7 it's as easy to rob as a Type-6. Easier actually.
3) The hull damage can be reduced by interdicting slow moving targets. It does mean you get the occasional person getting away after the police interdict you, but that's not a huge bother.
4) Increased cargo capacity is very useful as it reduces the time between docking. When you're docking your not pirating, so you're not making money.
To be fair, it's harder to rob Cobras, but I always found 10+t hauls from Cobras to be rare anyway.
I don't make a lot more money. About 20-30% more after repairs/ammo. Namuras' figure of 400k/hour I beat some nights, don't other nights. Against players, of course.
1) It's much easier to pirate other Asps
2) It's much easier to pirate Type-6s. If you see a Type-7 it's as easy to rob as a Type-6. Easier actually.
3) The hull damage can be reduced by interdicting slow moving targets. It does mean you get the occasional person getting away after the police interdict you, but that's not a huge bother.
4) Increased cargo capacity is very useful as it reduces the time between docking. When you're docking your not pirating, so you're not making money.
To be fair, it's harder to rob Cobras, but I always found 10+t hauls from Cobras to be rare anyway.
I don't make a lot more money. About 20-30% more after repairs/ammo. Namuras' figure of 400k/hour I beat some nights, don't other nights. Against players, of course.
This was tested rather scientifically in 1.04 by myself and a friend. The Cobra couldn't mass-lock a Type-6 that was 2/3 of its total mass. The Type-6 could jump out in 5 seconds. Unless this has changed without going in the logs, a Cobra can not mass lock a Type-6. Similarily, the amount of disruptive mass does not depend on range: it's either on (under 3km) or off (over 3km). Nothing between.
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Fair enough then. Guess I had luck on people who were either very stressed or didn't know what the hell were doing then. I doubt they would change something like this in .05 or .06.
Complaining about pirates again, something that's always been part of Elite and for which mechanisms have been deliberately included in ED? (I'm guessing that it's the main reason for the inclusion of the FSI). Odd.
There's quite a lot of changes that could and possibly should be made but please don't complain about the very idea of it. Ideally I'd like piracy to be both higher risk and higher reward, with systems that are too risky to pirate in but other low security ones with enough potential riches to tempt traders to them.
People who'll just blow up random easy targets for the hell of it though, can't help thinking there's something rather screwed up in their heads if that's their idea of fun. Still, at least they make life a bit more interesting, got to watch your scanner and so on. I hate to say it but at present the game is better with them too.
There's quite a lot of changes that could and possibly should be made but please don't complain about the very idea of it. Ideally I'd like piracy to be both higher risk and higher reward, with systems that are too risky to pirate in but other low security ones with enough potential riches to tempt traders to them.
People who'll just blow up random easy targets for the hell of it though, can't help thinking there's something rather screwed up in their heads if that's their idea of fun. Still, at least they make life a bit more interesting, got to watch your scanner and so on. I hate to say it but at present the game is better with them too.