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My Fancy Painted ball has a huge playing field with a game almost like a way of life.
If it gets scratched it costs me so Im very careful with it.
If I stay within the Law those Guards are my friends.

If a piece of paper is unable to keep your attention for 10 seconds then I fully understand how you need everything done for you.

Blinded by your own ignorance. Well there's nothing better than to read some constructive blog about elite dangerous. I will not link it because they infract people with advertising so yeah. Just go find elite:endangered blog post.

Don't worry! Once people get older they might miss things that people usually see and find out, or you might be too young and everything is fun to you even if it's just puddle jumping.

If you can't find link just PM me and i'll send it to you.
 
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I will be referencing the EULA in this post, it can be found here: https://store.elitedangerous.com/ed-eula/

9. Limited Warranty and Support 9.1 The Game (along with any services provided by us in connection with it, including but not limited to the Online Features) is provided "as is" and without warranty of any kind, to the maximum extent permitted by law. You assume all risk associated with Using the Game or the Online Features.

9.2 To the maximum extent permitted by law, we disclaim all representations, warranties, conditions or other terms (whether express or implied) including but not limited to implied warranties and/or conditions of merchantability, satisfactory quality, non-infringement of intellectual property rights and fitness for a particular purpose. While we endeavour to ensure that the Online Features are available at most times, we do not guarantee that they will always be available, nor that they will not become unavailable while a user is Using the Game. The Online Features may become unavailable for reasons including but not limited to the performance of maintenance, the updating of software, emergency situations and equipment or network failures.
9.3 Without prejudice to the generality of the above, we do not warrant that the Game is error-free or that it will operate without interruption, nor that we will repair any errors in the Game.
9.4 We do not warrant that the Game will operate on all devices and operating systems. It is your responsibility to refer to the minimum required technical specifications contained on the relevant product page required for effective Use of the Game and the Online Features.


They provided a game; in it are the features listed on the website. Everything else that was promised but is not in the game, can be added when and if at FD's discretion. The product was paid for by you, in which you get a single user license, and is provided "as-is" - which means you accept it in it's current state. Any consumer complaints about this are simply unfulfilled expectations and a sense of entitlement (see next line).

The entitlement draws from the fact that most people think because they spent their money on something, it belongs to them - in many cases they are right, in the case of a computer program, they are not. All games (and most -if not all- software) are sold on a single use license system and if people read the EULA (which they don't), they would know this. Hence why FD don't owe gamers anything; and hence why gamers suffer from entitlement. Everything FD does, doesn't do, add/remove/change or otherwise is entirely at their own discretion; the simple fact that they are communicating with us, listening to us and allowing us to work with them is simply because they choose to.

As mentioned, computer games (and most/all software) is subject to the EULA which you agree to when you install the product; it's a digital acceptance of a contract on a single user license basis:

2. Grant and Scope of Licence

2.1 Subject to your compliance with the terms of this EULA, we grant you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, non-sublicensable, revocable, limited licence to use the Game. You are permitted to:
(a) load the Game into and Use it on a single device which is under your custody and control and which meets the specifications referred to in the manual for your own private and domestic Use;
(b) transfer the Game from one such device to another; provided the Game is Used on only one device at any one time and any device on which it is Used is under your custody and control at the time of Use.

2.2 All rights not expressly granted hereunder are, to the extent permitted by law, reserved to Frontier and its licensors. Your rights of use under this EULA are strictly conditional upon your observance of the terms and conditions contained in this EULA at all times.
 
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Jex =TE=

Banned
Yes he is, and apparently no-one is allowed to be sick of hearing the same opinions over and over and must be "white knight jerks" for expressing their own opinions?



Another one. Anyone who disagrees with this guy's opinion either has no right to their own opinions or has no valid opinions, and is a therefore a "fanboi".

Seriously, if you guys can't present an argument without relying on ad hominums then don't even bother trying.

So present an argument for why it is perfectly fine at the moment - I haven't seen one yet, just people claiming "they are having fun with it" - that does not make an argument.

Let's see ya! :)
 
It's as if you would remove any quests and story from Skyrim/GTA, add barebones multiplayer to it (where the players can hide between the modes at will to boot...) and call it a day. That's what ED is!

Excellent analogy. Except you'd also have to remove crafting.

And walking on planets.
 
Forgive me to say that but this is exactly the attitude which completely erased the term "full game" from the games industry. Lowering expectations on a legal act like release will not help better quality to come, quite the contrary.
Read my other comment above.

Forgive the late response: ED was never intended for release as a full game. In a normal game, I completely agree with you; but ED is an exception. They cannot provide the entire game in one release, it was never designed as such.

That said, see my post above about EULA's and how the term "as-is" is an effective way for companies to release half-finished software and/or cover their butts if some client tries to get legal. :)
 
Blinded by your own ignorance. Well there's nothing better than to read some constructive blog about elite dangerous. I will not link it because they infract people with advertising so yeah. Just go find elite:endangered blog post.

Don't worry! Once people get older they might miss things that people usually see and find out, or you might be too young and everything is fun to you even if it's just puddle jumping.

If you can't find link just PM me and i'll send it to you.

Ah, the Age related response.
I can think of many things better than reading someones Blog....Origami for instance...thats paper folding for the uninitiated but then you wouldnt know would you, as a piece of paper is unable to hold your attention.

You also seem to forget that as people get older they have usually already seen and found out those things that you now discover. As to being too young, If jumping in muddy puddles is good enough for Peppa Pig then its good enough for me.
You should try it some time.

Actually I've stopped jumping in muddy puddles now as I damaged my knee the last time with my 5 year old daughter. She thought it was hilarious especially the bit where Daddy Pig fell into the puddle holding his knee
 
Themepark :
Allready implemented if you compare it to something as WoW.
You have missions on all stations if you need someone which explain you what you have to do. For the story part, please take a look to GalNet.
By the way, remember me what "Themepark" missions ask you to do ?

Sandbox :
If you define sandbox as something like "Shadowbane" (rip) and "Eve Online", they are no more than RTS gameplay included in a MMO game. I'm not a RTS fan, specially when metagame become dominant on the game (old gamer generation I presume : metagame is bad).
If you define "sandbox" as being able to choose your role in the galaxy and have an impact on it, it's allready done. But galaxy is vast and you are not at the same scale.
 
Right now, ED is a themepark without any attractions to follow through. It's as if you would remove any quests and story from Skyrim/GTA, add barebones multiplayer to it (where the players can hide between the modes at will to boot...) and call it a day. That's what ED is!
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Actually, This is spot on.

Imagine oblivion or skyrim with no missions, plot, story or real progression.... That's what elite dangerous currently is!

The house is there, but the furniture is still nowhere to be seen.
 
I just made a space ship out of some A4 paper and ran around the room making the super cruise neeeeaaaaawwww neeeeaaaawwww neeeeeaaawwww sound.

It was awesome.

I don't need this game, can I have a refund please?

:D

Oooo! Fax it to me so we can play in the same instance! You won't be able to see your ship, or control it, but that just makes it more realistic!
 
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Would the following line not then remove FD from this rule?
"It does not apply to businesses where ALL their sales are other than by retail"

In addition, how does this rule apply to international business dealing, because to my knowledge, "as-is" is perfectly acceptable in my country. We have strong consumer protection laws, but businesses have the right to protect themselves too; "as-is" is one of those protections.
 
I will post this article here. You can argue for or against it, but the author makes a lot of valid points, and they just show that Elite could be much, much more than it is right now, and it will need to become this or it will just be forgotten by Christmas 2015.

Brilliant article. Steals the thoughts and feelings right out of their unformed state in my mind.

I think I have played just about the last session of this game for the time being. Elite Dangerous truly is just a (rather excellent) barebones combat flight sim in a great big meaningless random and unconnected universe. I can particularly relate to the point he makes about pVp action actually being generally detrimental to progressing in the game, simply because the cost of the damage sustained, the lack of reward, and the fact that the game doesn't actually succeed in inducing 'justifiable' pVp conflict, or teamwork for that matter.

Think the penny has just about dropped for me on Elite Dangerous...perhaps in 12 months or so down the line we will have completely different/rejuvenated game.
 
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Would the following line not then remove FD from this rule?
"It does not apply to businesses where ALL their sales are other than by retail"

In addition, how does this rule apply to international business dealing, because to my knowledge, "as-is" is perfectly acceptable in my country. We have strong consumer protection laws, but businesses have the right to protect themselves too; "as-is" is one of those protections.

What I'm trying to show (but my googling skills are not near as good as it needs to be) is that writing an EULA by a company is not forfeiting the general line of the law and regulations. The EULA needs to be in line with the general regulations (just as law needs to be in line with the constitution).
We all would like to see ED as a good deal and we are here to give feedbacks to FD how to achieve a better reception and we are not here to provide excuses for them not to achieve what is advertised.
According to the number of topics where players are raising valid points about what quality ED had been released and the very high number of different commenters aligned appearing day after day to back this up, I think it's time to take this seriously.
 
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Jex =TE=

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The game is good now; perhaps not to you, but for thousands of others it is. You can't please everyone at once. One learns this when working with consumers; but, what one can do is over time add more features and content to make it better for all. If it's not good for you now, well, unfortunately, that's the role of the dice. I've been plenty of games that looked awesome, but weren't. It happens. Luckily, the game will be understand constant development, and we have a forum to engage with the devs.

If you don't think it'll make it better, by all means, make a suggestion about how you think the game can be improved; in one of their vids they state they read the forums every day and they have pages and pages of suggestions from players which they'd never thought of themselves and either will implement, would love to implement, or can't implement due to some or other reason. But make it a sensible suggestion, or at the least, constructive criticism; the ops post is not constructive; it's simply a rant on what this game is not and what it should have been al based on his subjective opinion. Which is fine, if it helps him unwind, but it's not helpful to anyone else and I take issue with those types of threads.

Disneyland opened when it was ready, but nothing worked. Just saying. :)

I'm not convinced the majority of players are finding it "good" because the vast majority of replies to threads like this are screaming for more content and people saying they are bored already. There may well be thousands of people that think it's good but there's tens of thousands that don't so which group of people do you think offers the better chance of success for ED?

Who do you think is going to buy the next DLC pack? Disgruntled customers won't hand over more money which is what we all want people to do because we love Elite but reality checks in and says no - people are not going to hand over cash for DLC that doesn't offer more gameplay. Visuals are not going to save the game nor is walking around things because right now, we can fly around things and that's already boring for a lot of people so how is walking around things going to help? Without a purpose behind things, the game gets stale pretty quickly.
 

Tox Laximus

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Maybe randomly generated series of missions that have a final goal and prize, brainstorm all the stuff than can happen in the elite world, like spying, hunting, transporting people/cargo, smuggling, infiltrating, etc. to make a randomly generated campaign.
 
Maybe randomly generated series of missions that have a final goal and prize, brainstorm all the stuff than can happen in the elite world, like spying, hunting, transporting people/cargo, smuggling, infiltrating, etc. to make a randomly generated campaign.

A an actual real economy, with Factions that have a hard-on for accumulating certain commodities, and issue collection, piracy, sabotage, tasks in order to secure specific commodity items would ensure some very interesting 'implicit' gameplay. Problem is, that I don't think Frontier are anywhere near having a database/AI system smart enough to pull this off.


Visuals are not going to save the game nor is walking around things because right now, we can fly around things and that's already boring for a lot of people so how is walking around things going to help? Without a purpose behind things, the game gets stale pretty quickly.

What you talking about man!?

Elite aint no hand held spoon fed interactive B Movie. Elite is for grown ups! People who are moaning about Elite's empty/random/arbitary/pointless nature just need to use their imagination a bit more!

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Jex =TE=

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one argument:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103513

another argument:
https://m.youtube.com/user/isinona

the game works.

Yes it has bugs and there are things to come, but at the moment it works in some many ways other games do not.

That isn't an argument. Perhaps you are unaware of making an argument but one persons subjective experience isn't the way to do it. Many people have given critical points to why ED is not much of a game. Everything in the post you quoted is visual stuff, they're looking at things but, what they didn't tell you is the hundreds of other systems where they were total bored because they had seen them over and over before.

Also, when you present an argument, it's is down to YOU to do so. Quoting other people just shows you have no idea how to make an argument yourself. So, like I said, let's see an argument :)
 
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