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Elite boring after 30-60 hours? Get real.
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This is exactly what I think too. Elite has always been about the Lone Pilot living in a vast galaxy. You're free to make your own way, create your own tasks etc. It's not about creating mega corps or factions and people should stop thinking it ever will be. Elite will not allow you to become that, its just not set up that way. You're not meant to be a leader of a guild or faction or own stations or systems, its not about being that 'big' its always being about being you're own man. Yes we have a limited multiplayer and soon hopefully 'Wings' will let you create some Co-Op fun, but get used to it, cos its not about the making you the biggest, richest leader in the galaxy. End of. Have some rep
Yeah but you can't really, can you? You're free to do a handful of pretty specific activities that on a mechanical level are all pretty much the same and repeat them until you die of boredom. I've asked so many people what they do to make their own way or what tasks they set for themselves, how they use their imagination... and really all I've heard is "I like to mince about in a planet's rings for the sake of it" and "Imma in a spaceship, vroom vroom."
And if they like to do that then thats their prerogative isn't it. Just because you find that boring, doesn't mean it makes Elite empty or un-fulfilling. I personally am a Rares Trader. Love it and yeah its a bit Euro Trucker Sim. For sure. But I get interdicted now and again, and that gets the blood pumping. As a Rares Trader I want to find Jaques Mobile Station and get some of his Rares too. Also heard a rumour that there are Thargoid Artifact Rares out there too!
Yes its 'Grinding' in a sense, but I can branch off and do some Mining or Missions (yes they're procedural) or Bounty Hunting or Pirating (although I'm far too nice to do that) Point is there is plenty to entertain me. Just because you don't like that and want.... well I dunno. I suspect you want some deep, detailed, handcrafted missions, but you know what they take a hell of a lot of time to do, they're labour intensive and at the end of the day don't take long to complete. The game is only a few months old (since release), give it a chance, over time more mission types with turn up I'm sure, some specific to Wings no doubt. I think you need to rain in your expectations, Frontier is a only a small/medium developer, I think they have a great game base and has kept me playing longer than any other game has in the last decade! You and others like you are free to wander off and play something else and pop back and see whats happening, I'm sure I will too (lots of games out there), Elite Dangerous can only get better and I'm sure it will.
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Yes instead it's about using your imagination to blaze your own path and invent all the content that is actually sorely missing in the game...and to forget all the promised features that are so barebone or barely functional 2 months after release...
This argument was valid in beta... it's not after release... It's certainly not 2 months after release.
We're not disappointed that ED is not the ''spacejeebus'' mother of all game.
We're disappointed that it falls short on so many fronts of the vision, the marketing, the sales pitch, and the promises of FD and David & co. 2 months after release.
And if they like to do that then thats their prerogative isn't it. Just because you find that boring, doesn't mean it makes Elite empty or un-fulfilling. I personally am a Rares Trader. Love it and yeah its a bit Euro Trucker Sim. For sure. But I get interdicted now and again, and that gets the blood pumping. As a Rares Trader I want to find Jaques Mobile Station and get some of his Rares too. Also heard a rumour that there are Thargoid Artifact Rares out there too!
You and others like you are free to wander off and play something else and pop back and see whats happening, I'm sure I will too (lots of games out there), Elite Dangerous can only get better and I'm sure it will.
Hell, I'd be happy if bounty hunting just involved some hunting or if there was more to see while exploring and exploring involved actually figuring out how to get somewhere rather than just mindlessly jumping over and over again.
Anyways, what you're basically saying then is that with elite as it is I can blaze my own trail and create my own tasks as long as I like doing nothing (mincing about in a planet's rings ) or rare trading. Otherwise the only trail you can blaze is to clear off for a bit and hope FD turn ED into a game at some point in time.
Do you know what's more annoying to read, beside "this is boring"- sort of threads?
Threads, that trying to explain or disprove, that it's isn't boring. And then, there is a comparison to another game. "Hey, if you think this is boring, then CoD is boring too". "Hey if you think this game is boring, then ________ (type in a game title) is boring too! "
You can't win this way. For many people, the game will be boring from the start.
For others it will get boring 2 weeks down the road, others can do it for 2 months or more.
If you keep repeating that everyone should burn in hell who thinks the game is boring, it starts to smell like separate attempt by posting a thread in the official forums, like you gonna set the tone and change people's mind and they give up thinking, that the game is boring.
Here is how it goes.
You come and buy the game, you will think it's absolutely fantastic. No other game tries to simulate as much as E: D . You take off, you land, you buy stuff you sell. You go fly around and look at stars and planets and you immerse yourself and you feel distance. It's all good.
2-3 months down the road, you are still doing or not. People who leave the forums or stop playing the game will not be posting on the forums. They just disappear and you won't find posts and threads from them. The only people know the statistics are the network admins, they got a nice little graph showing, how many people visited per day/week/month.
So most likely, you are trying to convince people, who are still here in the forums, regarding how fun the game is. Most of them still play it, or idling by, waiting for updates or checking on news. Some other minority are being here for a long time.
Some of us came here last year Spring and Summer. I've been here since Summer. I test run each builds and after an hour of playing I can decide, whether I want to continue to play it or not and wait more. I don't need anyone telling me, whether the game is boring or not, I can decide on my own. And certainly someone who played the game less than 2 months won't be telling me what to like about it or whether I'm right or wrong.
Many of veteran members the same way and start to get really annoyed by fanboys trying to explain, that creative criticism is not welcome, because they feel personally assaulted by, if someone says something about their beloved game.
Threads, that trying to explain or disprove, that it's isn't boring. And then, there is a comparison to another game. "Hey, if you think this is boring, then CoD is boring too". "Hey if you think this game is boring, then ________ (type in a game title) is boring too! "
You can't win this way. For many people, the game will be boring from the start.
For others it will get boring 2 weeks down the road, others can do it for 2 months or more.
If you keep repeating that everyone should burn in hell who thinks the game is boring, it starts to smell like separate attempt by posting a thread in the official forums, like you gonna set the tone and change people's mind and they give up thinking, that the game is boring.
Here is how it goes.
You come and buy the game, you will think it's absolutely fantastic. No other game tries to simulate as much as E: D . You take off, you land, you buy stuff you sell. You go fly around and look at stars and planets and you immerse yourself and you feel distance. It's all good.
2-3 months down the road, you are still doing or not. People who leave the forums or stop playing the game will not be posting on the forums. They just disappear and you won't find posts and threads from them. The only people know the statistics are the network admins, they got a nice little graph showing, how many people visited per day/week/month.
So most likely, you are trying to convince people, who are still here in the forums, regarding how fun the game is. Most of them still play it, or idling by, waiting for updates or checking on news. Some other minority are being here for a long time.
Some of us came here last year Spring and Summer. I've been here since Summer. I test run each builds and after an hour of playing I can decide, whether I want to continue to play it or not and wait more. I don't need anyone telling me, whether the game is boring or not, I can decide on my own. And certainly someone who played the game less than 2 months won't be telling me what to like about it or whether I'm right or wrong.
Many of veteran members the same way and start to get really annoyed by fanboys trying to explain, that creative criticism is not welcome, because they feel personally assaulted by, if someone says something about their beloved game.
So Elite is good because Evolve sucks more...can't argue with that logic.
I guess Elite is deep because tiddlywinks is more shallow!
Seems some people need to play the old elite games... this is basically the same just in new wrapper.
What is fun and not fun really varies from people to people, when some of the posters post this is not fun as it is a fact for all. It is not so.
If the game is not fun to people sry to hear that and the game estimating the gaming value in hours also makes no sense since it also
varies from person to person. I spend close to 200 hours in this game and still think it is fun.
What is fun and not fun really varies from people to people, when some of the posters post this is not fun as it is a fact for all. It is not so.
If the game is not fun to people sry to hear that and the game estimating the gaming value in hours also makes no sense since it also
varies from person to person. I spend close to 200 hours in this game and still think it is fun.
I admit to being new to the game, here is my first forum post, I'm a member of guild with approximately 60 registered players. I'm still so new I'm just running around figuring things out for myself and haven't been on coms regularly here's the reason why. Last night as with every login I look to see who's online, at 10:30 mountain I was the only person in the list of 60 or so players of a highly active PC gaming community. I don't question why but there must be some reason. I'm okay with that as I'm still in the learning curve and enjoying that aspect. So far I've mined, run missions and have traded into an A fitted Asp just dabbling in exploration, yawn. I'm currently trying out lessor ships I've skipped over and just continuing down the path that is ED. Even though I'm fairly new, I'm beginning to see that I too might join the 60, and not every night is my guilds number that sparse but the most I've seen on at one time were about 12 people of my group post week one "launch" and most often it's less than a handful. I was drawn to this thread for this reason, I wanted to know what gives. Guess I'll jump in coms and get some more opinions but in the end my opinion is the only one that matters as is true for us all. I want the game to succeed sure but at this point in my game continuum I ponder if this title wasn't rushed a bit. My hope is that the core body will hold on and the team here will deliver as I've missed the genre.
im not sure as to what they can add for missions.
but they defiantly need to add more ships and stations so we can get more variety.
alot more variety.
but they defiantly need to add more ships and stations so we can get more variety.
alot more variety.
ED isn't for everyone. This is pretty standard for any game. Some people are naturally never going to enjoy the game or appreciate it. This is absoloutely fine and natural.
The usual question always arises is why such people insist on still playing a game they don't enjoy or hanging around the forums of a game they don't like playing. Its beyond me.
Personally my hours of play are already in the hundreds, and still not even remotely bored.
The usual question always arises is why such people insist on still playing a game they don't enjoy or hanging around the forums of a game they don't like playing. Its beyond me.
Personally my hours of play are already in the hundreds, and still not even remotely bored.
Oh its YOU again. Some people are easily amused, I think thats who ED is for anyone long term right now. Perhaps that is what you are? I enjoy when you said maybe it wasn't the game for me. You never did reply after I tore that one apart.
After reading through this thread I've realised that you literally answered every question as I would have.
i 100% agree with you.
the trouble is the casuals and die hard fans are happy and the game is more or less what they want (pending a bit of Dev made content)
I think the big difference is that they see it as a SP game and they're happy with the direction it's going and any suggestion to deviate from that path is met with rage and vitriol.
they fear that by allowing us to have the mechanics and freedom to play as we'd like it will diminish their enjoyment or somehow steal the Devs valuable time.
its ironic that the same players always banging on about "freedom to play and have it your way" (burger kings) are usually the first to loudly shout down added mechanics for territory control and meaningful PvP.
the other humours thing is that most of the vocal opponents never admit that player created content would actually free up the Devs to make more crafted SP like content and features as the rest of us would be busy fighting/ allying/pillaging each other without bothering them too much.
Everyone could have their cake but alas it seems like that is not meant to be and we will only be able to play the game of the casual/SP crowds terms.
My last thought that I'd add to your succinct and insightful arguments is that currently Elite feels like a jigsaw puzzle, sure you can choose to amuse yourself for countless hours (by putting the pieces in different combinations or imagining they have different pictures but essentially the basic principles of the game limit one to heavily using their imagination and the result is that there is little achievement or effect beyond the very basic level)
it would be great if we had the mechanics to actually make our imagination into reality but sadly this is not the case.
You must be thinking of FPS games or something. I'll say for the record, I'm pretty happy for you to hear that you're having fun and happy with the game. There are things to like.
For my part -- I get along with the combat system, the graphics, the massive galaxy size, and some of the things like resource areas, mineral planets, and scouting for pirates. But... like the other guy I had my own period of 30-60 hours play, poked my head up and said, 'Umm... is this it?'
Since you wanted to compare with other games, let's bring up the X3 games, another series that had extensive post-release development. In any X3 game I can: 1. fly a bunch of ships, 2. act as a trader, 3. act as a bounty hunter, 4. set up a sprawling mercantile empire with space stations and traders, 5. Get involved with the Terrans (with storyline & scripted missions), 6. Play alien hunter.
In Elite I get: 1, 2, and 3 to an extent. I get the mining mini-game. I get the exploration mini-game.
OK. But you see where I'm heading. There are things to like about Elite, and there are flaws in the X games. But when I look at things... I just see a massive difference in the amount of content. It's just a richer, deeper, more interesting experience. I'd really like to see Elite do more and better.
We'll see.
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You can't compare elite to evolve, one is a shallow multiplayer game, with severe balance issues, where players kill each other for fun, and your actions have no effect on the background and the other is evolve.
But seriously, the games are nothing alike. Evolve is a fun asymmetrical multiplayer game, you get what it says on the tin. It's a game about 4 hunters fighting 1 monster. It's made for people who like multiplayer games similar to left 4 dead and team fortress 2.
Elite is (supposed to be) a rich open world multiplayer sandbox with a working background simulation. It isn't quite there yet, the multiplayer is practically non existent, the sandbox is half empty, and the background simulation is messed up. It's more comparable to grand theft auto without the story, or mount and blade with less stuff to do, as it stands now.
But seriously, the games are nothing alike. Evolve is a fun asymmetrical multiplayer game, you get what it says on the tin. It's a game about 4 hunters fighting 1 monster. It's made for people who like multiplayer games similar to left 4 dead and team fortress 2.
Elite is (supposed to be) a rich open world multiplayer sandbox with a working background simulation. It isn't quite there yet, the multiplayer is practically non existent, the sandbox is half empty, and the background simulation is messed up. It's more comparable to grand theft auto without the story, or mount and blade with less stuff to do, as it stands now.
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Interesting post, nice read, well written. It's obvious you like to write, and are fairly good at it. Me, not so much. I'd like to ask you to answer just one question. Could you imagine a space based game such as "Elite", that doesn't have any of the things you mentioned there, that could actually be a much better, & funner game in almost every way? I can. If you can't imagine this, I think it may illustrate some very locked in, self limiting beliefs, from people like yourself and many others that are like minded.
For me, I can see "Elite", giving us an adventure that I'm looking forward too. I'm looking forward to this content, not yours, or any other player content you may have to offer. I want to see what "Frontier" has to offer.
That's not to say, I don't think you and players like you, shouldn't have a niche here for you, I do think at the very least "Frontier" should throw you some kind of bone. I do think that what ever they give you should be on a very short leash, and be able to snatch it from you on a moments notice, if say your organization decided to start a never ending killing spree of every mining vessel you could find, and started driving players from the game.
Don't even get me started on that emergent, (another name for screwing other player over) game play B.S.. Lets just say I'm ok with you getting a tiny bit of control. As long as it doesn't effect me of course.
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Thank you for the compliment.
I actually eagerly await all the content as I'm not strictly a PvP only kind of player, I enjoy a good deal of PvE and sometimes I even go off into the black on my lonesome but if I were to grab a label I would take PvPer as that is what usually pulls me back (mainly because I love a challenge and testing myself against other, often better, real players)
I'm actually a huge fan of elite and would love it to succeed beyond everyones expectations, I simply lament that because of a few (imo) poor design decisions the game has unnecessarily pigeonholed itself.
Another point is that I adore true sandboxes which give you the tools to make your imagination reality (I'm biased towards full loot and full PvP games but that is never the primary concern merely a means to spice things up with more risk and reward)
but I think the biggest point I could contribute to this conversation is that, it often feels like we are alone in a playpen being told to use our imagination when with a little Dev love and time some mechanics could be added to greatly increase our enjoyment without ruining anyone else's fun.