Sitting Duck

[Zumber]

Wh... ho... w... erm... *FACEPALM!*

You're the second person to do the face palm, the other bloke at least had a picture, show some originality or bring something to the discussion.

This is the problem, people not being able to read beyond "not using shields". I've bought a T9 by trading without using shields. I've bought a Python by trading in a T9 without using shields. I've got to Tycoon by trading without using shields. Clearly not using shields is not the problem, it's worked for me having 300million in credits. The problem is, is since the last patch they've taken the best form of defence away from anyone in a slow lumbering ship like the T9, the ability to escape, regardless of shields. Shields will not hold up to 90 seconds of constant fire unless you put in something for the 128 cargo slot or heaven forbid the 256 slot. That makes the T9 not a viable trader, because the cargo is so severely limited, I might as well use my Python to shift stock

 

[Dbrn47]

It's obvious to me after reading the entire thread is that you are dead set on the T9 needing more maneuverability/interdiction escape options and are just going to complain about it. If you refuse to use shields and don't like the handling, don't fly the T9. There are people who are getting by with the T9, there are people that refuse to fly it, and then there's you. How do you rationalize that? Your opinion on it, is your opinion, it doesn't become a non-viable trader just because you aren't having success. You are being told that your setup is risky and the game is making you pay for the risk you are taking but you are refusing to accept that and adapt. This is where your points just turn into complaining, which is why you aren't getting many responses that you consider valid. There is actually advice in this thread, take it and try again or go to a Python/Anaconda.

 

[Zumber]

Try reading it again. I've flown the T9 since I could afford it. I've become a tycoon with it. I've bought a Python with it and kitted it out. Simple isn't it. What I am complaining about is the inability to escape an interdiction. Read escape and interdiction not evade one. The mass disruption doesn't allow escape any more. I've proven that I do not need their advice, because quite simply I was doing great prior to the mass disruption that was introduced in the latest patch. I've not asked for more maneuverability, I've not even hinted at it. I have no idea where you get that from. I just want the ability to be able to run from an interdiction once I've been interdicted. See, that wasn't hard was it?

 

[Dbrn47]

Okay since the last patch trading has become almost useless. It's impossible to escape an interdiction with the Lakon 9, because it's slow, unmaneuverable even with everything A class. So I'd submit to the interdiction and then boost away to supercruise. Now you can't even do that. I've got disruptive mass even though they're on the other side of the radar. I've lost 20 million credits alone today because of it. I rarely, die because I trade in a lonely area of the galaxy so I only have NPC's to worry about. But if I can't escape them, escaping a CMDR would be next to impossible.
I've not found the need to rant about the game, but when a trader has so much more to lose as we can't insure cargo, it makes the game even more of a kick in the teeth.
There's no point weaponising the ship for two reasons, getting the pipper in a slow lumbering T9 on the target and because it would cut down on cargo space, I tend not to carry a shield generator. I'm not asking for much, just give me a fighting chance

I've highlighted some things that immediately gave me the impression that this is a complaint, where I perceived a maneuverability issue and where I used the wrong word in my reply. Your following posts after suggestions were given further led me to believe that this was all a complaint that was just looking for a change, not advice, you should take the advice though. This isn't a reading comprehension problem, so don't tell me to reread your post and disregard what I said. I know what you initially posted and I know what you posted after people responded. Don't talk down to me like I'm incapable of understanding. Perhaps by saying evade, I used the wrong word there making you think I misunderstood, but I know what you were saying. I still don't agree with you and my point still stands. Think about all your posts combined and ask why I responded how I did. You sound like a helpless victim here and you don't have to be. Follow the advice given, adapt to the changes.

 

[Zumber]

Never been a victim pal, never at all. Yes it's like a kick in the teeth, considering the time, money and effort I've put into the game. That does not make me a victim. Yes the T9 is slow and lumbering. I do ask for a fighting chance to be able to escape. You don't seem capable to understand what I'm getting at. To quote a film Collateral with Tom Cruise, let me explain it to as I would a two year old. I could escape after I was pulled out of super cruise, since the patch that is no longer possible. What this means is I can take damage for 90 seconds or I can take damage for 15 seconds and log out. Not quite in the spirit of the game, but hey, self interests and all that. See that wasn't difficult was it?

 

[Dbrn47]

Never been a victim pal, never at all. Yes it's like a kick in the teeth, considering the time, money and effort I've put into the game. That does not make me a victim. Yes the T9 is slow and lumbering. I do ask for a fighting chance to be able to escape. You don't seem capable to understand what I'm getting at. To quote a film Collateral with Tom Cruise, let me explain it to as I would a two year old. I could escape after I was pulled out of super cruise, since the patch that is no longer possible. What this means is I can take damage for 90 seconds or I can take damage for 15 seconds and log out. Not quite in the spirit of the game, but hey, self interests and all that. See that wasn't difficult was it?

Do you understand why you are getting less and less useful responses? I said you sound like one, not that you think you are one. Again, I understand what you are talking about. This is becoming like a discussion with my girlfriend "but you just don't understand". I UNDERSTAND, but I don't agree. Just because you can't overcome a change doesn't mean something is impossible. You are the only one having an issue. Anyhow, since you've decided to go with the whole super condescending bit I'm done here. Good luck getting better solutions.

 

[Zumber]

No Starduster, I'll just keep logging out. As I said earlier, not in the spirit of the game. But oh well. I think David Braben himself said he doesn't want to see people doing that and nor do I want to do it myself. It breaks immersion you see. But if I have no option to getting attacked for a minute and a half thereby losing my ship and cargo, I can't see I have much of a choice.

 

[DarQik]

Try reading it again. I've flown the T9 ... I was doing great prior to the mass disruption that was introduced in the latest patch. ... I just want the ability to be able to run from an interdiction once I've been interdicted.

What's missing from that statement is that you still want the ability to run from an interdiction without shields or other defensive equipment.

They clearly rebalanced something with the patch. You can still try to run, but we can agree from your statements that the dev's have made that virtually impossible to do without any defenses. Changes to play balance and function can be very frustrating. It's part of games with ongoing changes, and one of the reasons I don't participate in betas anymore.

If things don't work the same way, it's time to change the way you work.

As for logging, you do have a choice--I've run cargo without shields on every ship through the whole progression (the T9 is next), but since this last patch, I gave up some cargo to shielding. It's a risk to do it without, and it should be a sizeable risk not a trivial one. Not being able to escape intact because you got interdicted while risking a run without a shield is pretty good immersion.

 

[QziQza]

So OP, Anaconda and past Type 9 pilot here. You have not yet learned your lesson in opportunity cost.

That little extra bit of cargo actually hurts you, do you know about bulk trade tax? You actually make more per ton when selling a slightly smaller amount. As previous poster mentioned, you can get 470+ cargo still and fit those items.

Not to mention not having shields has already COST you 20 million due to deaths, where as that extra cargo has bought you maybe 500k extra profit (being generous).

You're gonna go ahead and need to equip shields and a shield potion. Also 2 chaff, at least 1 Point(less) defense, and a heat sink. Don't bother with ECM. Don't bother with weapons. You'll still have 13 ly jump range.

The difference between dying and losing hours worth of time, and not dying but making slightly less per hour is too huge to fly shieldless.

Your new tactic should be to:

1. Submit ->
2. Boost in one direction to max speed ->
3. 4 pips SYS (Best shield resist strength, not just recharge) 2 to Engines ->
4. Pop Shield Potion / Chaff ->
5. UNLOCK YOUR NEXT SYSTEM DESTINATION and jump directly to SUPERCRUISE, it's a MUCH shorter time to return to SC. Note: When launching to SC it just wants you to fly max speed in any direction, not to your nav compass target.
6. Soon as you're in SC, jump to the next system. If against a player, you can trick them by dropping out of SC again on your own, then jumping to the next system or waiting a bit to jump to SC again.

The game offers you a fighting chance, you just chose not to take it. This advice will ensure you never die in solo mode, and have a fighting chance in open. Good luck.

Top advice +rep

 

[uncle bulgaria]

I fly a type 9 with 500 T of cargo and a shield gen - no NPC has ever given me anything remotely close to a problem.

Interdiction? Mash 'X' to submit, 4 Pips to Engine, 2 in sys. Boost upon landing and keep boosting - with a good power distrubtor the T9 can pretty much perma boost. Hit the FSD as soon as you can - never taken any hull damage from an npc.

Ideally an A class power distributor is the first thing I buy for every new ship I get. If I can't get a A class one where I buy the ship I buy the best one they have there and search for an A class. I know a few pretty decent outfitters near my "home" bubble so I can usually get one quickly.

I never fly without shields either.

 

[QziQza]

Try reading it again. I've flown the T9 since I could afford it. I've become a tycoon with it. I've bought a Python with it and kitted it out. Simple isn't it. What I am complaining about is the inability to escape an interdiction. Read escape and interdiction not evade one. The mass disruption doesn't allow escape any more. I've proven that I do not need their advice, because quite simply I was doing great prior to the mass disruption that was introduced in the latest patch. I've not asked for more maneuverability, I've not even hinted at it. I have no idea where you get that from. I just want the ability to be able to run from an interdiction once I've been interdicted. See, that wasn't hard was it?

But thats the thing, the rest of us in type 9's seem to be doing just fine against interdictions. Sometimes i take a few hits and sometimes i dont, and on those occasions i do, my shields stop it costing me money. When the game changes, we can either adapt or cry about it. There has been some solid advice given here, you can take it on board and try it out or ignore it and don't, although from the stubborn tilt of your chin, im guessing it will remain the latter.

 

[Roybe]

Never been a victim pal, never at all. Yes it's like a kick in the teeth, considering the time, money and effort I've put into the game. That does not make me a victim. Yes the T9 is slow and lumbering. I do ask for a fighting chance to be able to escape. You don't seem capable to understand what I'm getting at. To quote a film Collateral with Tom Cruise, let me explain it to as I would a two year old. I could escape after I was pulled out of super cruise, since the patch that is no longer possible. What this means is I can take damage for 90 seconds or I can take damage for 15 seconds and log out. Not quite in the spirit of the game, but hey, self interests and all that. See that wasn't difficult was it?

Why are you refusing to by sheilds?

 

[robbyp]

I watched my point defense turret take out two missiles today, so not completely pointless

 

[MorsGotha]

No Starduster, I'll just keep logging out. As I said earlier, not in the spirit of the game. But oh well. I think David Braben himself said he doesn't want to see people doing that and nor do I want to do it myself. It breaks immersion you see. But if I have no option to getting attacked for a minute and a half thereby losing my ship and cargo, I can't see I have much of a choice.

Yeah that'll sure show us! Way to stick it to the man! Instead of...you know...following advice given to you in the thread. Obviously not the advice you wanted, judging by you throwing your toys out of the pram.

Someone put it best by pointing out you seem to want the game to adapt to your idiotic unshielded T9, instead of you adapting your T9 and tactics. Newsflash: all the condescension in the world wont get you that. When you logoff in a huff next time do us a favour and turn your computer off too, forever.