You restrict players to solo and FD can kiss goodbye to selling store cosmetics to those people.
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You restrict players to solo and FD can kiss goodbye to selling store cosmetics to those people.
Right now the cash return for trading is too high, they want to level it by increasing the cost of trading, first with piracy and then with modules/ship cost. Simple enough, open isnt more dangerous by a long shot, since gamma ive been interdicted by 2 Cmdr, both did it twice, i then moved away...
Not to mention the loss of player base, it's a tough point of view and not viable whilst traders are poorly serviced by the game.
You assume that all pirates are players. This is not the case. When mining in a cobra, NPC sidewinder pirates often spawn. I blow them up. I wouldn't be able to do that if I had no weaponry. Would a player pirate in a sidewinder? No, but NPCs do and NPCs need to be defended against whether playing in Solo or Open.
Consider the problem in the wider context, not just the context of PvP interdiction, especially since it's been repeatedly stated that PvP isn't the primary design goal. Do you want PvP interdiction to be fixed at the expense of everthing else? I certainly don't, since I don't play Open. I do want NPCs to be more of a threat though - tooling around in an unarmed T6 through low-sec systems should be something I have to avoid doing, rather than pressing the magic 'submit, boost, FSD' escape macro.
Improving the PvE experience improves the game for all players. Improving PvP helps a (vocal) subset. If I was a developer, I know which I'd prioritise.
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PvP games are full of psycho's. We're talking here about whether the changes will drive traders into solo so it doesn't matter what odds you calculate for options in Open. A 50% death rate would certainly see a lot less players trading in Open.
I almost always play in Open but if there isn't a level of deterrence to PK that gives me a 95% certainty I'll survive (because the impact on the PK's gameplay is so huge) or changes aren't made to trader ships to give them a real fighting chance then it would not take much to make me leave Open. And I'm one of the 'open isn't that bad, you should try it' traders.
We'll just ahve to see what FD propose but if it's just a change to the submit mechanic then they'll be making a big mistake.
Perfect summation of the problem. Rep given.
1. It's not going to be. Get over it.
2. No one in solo would buy cosmetics from the Store so it's not going to happen.
3, Get over it. Move on.
I think the focus on this debate is problematic.....
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It is not the mechanics of the game that are so much the problem.....it is the mechanics of real life.........
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You can talk about boosters, murder, roll play, too much earnings, counter measures...etc etc etc.........but.....I did not stay out of "open" for ANY of those reasons......
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the reason myself and many others stay out of open, is TIME IN THE REAL WORLD........
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I get a couple hours an evening to play, if lucky and work/life allows.........it can take a couple hours, easy, to do a rares run.........and that is one of the ways to "quickly" get some cash in...........and, I want to see the next ship, not "Roll Play" or get "Murdered".........I dont have time to keep trying the same thing over and over again.......if I try things in the game and I find them a waste of time or frustrating, I just wont log on......
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It is the effects of the Game mechanics on TIME IN THE REAL WORLD...that is the problem..........
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When you die in Space Invaders, Quake, Mario Land.........you go back a few mintues.........with this game you can go back hours, days, or even months if you are an exploerer or without "insurance"...........screw that.....real world time is too precious........for those wishing to waste my time and fun........I am not playing this game, for your entertainment.....
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It is not the mechanics of the game that are so much the problem.....it is the mechanics of real life.........
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You can talk about boosters, murder, roll play, too much earnings, counter measures...etc etc etc.........but.....I did not stay out of "open" for ANY of those reasons......
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the reason myself and many others stay out of open, is TIME IN THE REAL WORLD........
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I get a couple hours an evening to play, if lucky and work/life allows.........it can take a couple hours, easy, to do a rares run.........and that is one of the ways to "quickly" get some cash in...........and, I want to see the next ship, not "Roll Play" or get "Murdered".........I dont have time to keep trying the same thing over and over again.......if I try things in the game and I find them a waste of time or frustrating, I just wont log on......
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It is the effects of the Game mechanics on TIME IN THE REAL WORLD...that is the problem..........
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When you die in Space Invaders, Quake, Mario Land.........you go back a few mintues.........with this game you can go back hours, days, or even months if you are an exploerer or without "insurance"...........screw that.....real world time is too precious........for those wishing to waste my time and fun........I am not playing this game, for your entertainment.....
That's not really an explanation of the reasons for being able to switch between solo and open. I realise this might be an old argument I'm also fully aware it's always been this way.
The benefits of the current solo/open situation still elude me.
Eminently sensible conclusion that will be roundly ignored by dimwitted pirates & "Elite should be harder" parrots.
I bought some $60 worth by now, actually. Why? Partly to throw addtional money at FD because I want to see their game succeed. Partly in the hopes that someday we'll get some external camera views (even if only by drone fly-by) to create some photo/video ops.
"The benefits of the current solo/open situation still elude me. "
Maybe you should leave it to people who can see both sides of the issue then?
Would you have bought the cosmetics if you only played solo though? I bought my viper my national flag only because of a certain situation in Lave and thought it would add to the ambience lol. If no one else was going to see it (I don't count the planned drone cam) I wouldn't have bothered.
That's my position. I work. I can't play all the time. And I don't exploit and i don't take advantage of obviously broken mechanics like the recent luxury fiasco. Therefore the 2.5 mill or so loss of just one t7 represents a significant chunk of my game time. And that's just if it happens once.
I enjoy playing in Open and hope that by keeping my eyes open and staying off the beaten track I can avoid interdiction anyway. But I suspect the first time I suffer a 2.5 mill loss just for someone else's lulz will be the last time i'm in Open.
I'm all for piracy in this game but PK'ing should be so massively penalised that only those who really enjoy being an on the run, hounded at every turn, no safe place to hide gamer will do it.
I'm pessimistic because I've seen repeatedly how designers simply don't understand that what sounds rational in a design conference becomes a perverse incentive in practice.
This split of the game is inevitable as long as there is solo to retreat to....or as long as solo is easier than open. I don't attack every ship I see, I regularly offer escort, I try not to "steal" kills at nav points.....I do interdict players if they look tasty.
Who's to say how much "some PvP" is? According to players like Gasoline it's too much when attacked in a freighter (prompting a long term retreat to solo) But then coming back in a viper is back safely in "some PvP" territory.
I wouldn't usually tell anyone how to play the game but if they're also supporting moves to make the game even easier for themselves?
Limiting the earnings in solo could work, would that tempt more players into open?
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It means I can play how the mood suits me. If I am sociable or if I am just wanting some down time or if I am feeling agressive.
It means a solo player can still play with their friends who generally want to play in ALL for a few hrs rather than actively block them
it means I can play without having access to decent internet (which happens a lot). Elite solo uses a few K.
it means if a huge exploit is found and it takes FD a while to fix it, people can duck out and wait for a fix
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I do not understand what you want from me. I will not really discuss the "threat" of PVE pirates attacking player traders, as they currently are a joke to anyone who has rudimentary knowledge of the game. If FD ever changes their game so that NPC pirates become a regular and real threat to unarmed traders, then we can talk about that. Right now they're a joke and are to be treated as such.
Right now only PVP piracy is really worth talking about.
Frontier will figure something out if wings/interdiction escape changes/etc. push too many traders to Solo play, because then they won't be spending that $$$ on ship skins.
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