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[Lenroc elisav]

Having private conversation on the open board is bad form, even jumpable. If you did not want your point to be addressed, my friend, you should have PM'd him. Otherwise everything you write is playable on any instrument of my choice.

I double checked. No. No straw round here. Sorry I can't lend you any to build your own.

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You failed to address my point, you addressed your straw-man's point. However I'll give you your chance to better reply by rephrasing. If you ( read - anybody that ) bought ED just for solo, private and PvE would you cared if you'd have played on a different server then the open play server. If so, why?

 

[Top Cat]

straw-man

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you seem to think it means...

 

[mongo2006]

No.. you are supposed to be ok with it because it was clearly how the game was promised to work back in 2013, where people paid money, often because of this flexibility and without it the game may never have made its KS goal.

Seriously....... pulling the "you are financing other people" card is a joke!. What ever happened to doing a little homework before buying a game and seeing if it was the kind of thing you may like, rather than buy it and demand game breaking changes? <sigh>

To be honest dude I'm sorry I didn't do a bit more homework on this game.. Some friends talked me into getting the game, it was told to me it would be like EARTH AND BEYOND.. but now I see this game will never hold a candle to that game. After over 500,000,000 in trade, owning everything this game has to offer, and limitations with a max of 32 players per instance there was no need to even bring it on-line.

Clearly player interaction and communication was an after thought. While hundreds if not thousands are just waiting to leave this game for something that addresses and facilitates PVP, Player Interaction on a global scale, Clans, Communication, and Mutual Enemy Forces, this is all that's available.. when that game presents it's self.. the lights will go out..

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

You failed to address my point, you addressed your straw-man's point. However I'll give you your chance to better reply by rephrasing. If you ( read - anybody that ) bought ED just for solo, private and PvE would you cared if you'd have played on a different server then the open play server. If so, why?

Okay, just to be clear - you said Solo, Private and PvE - I read Solo, Groups and Open as we have at present. So perhaps you are not being clear? There is just one universe and FDev have said that they are not interested in creating more than one living universe. In that case, I would like to influence the same universe as everyone else, have the same benefits, etc. I think I said that.

Are you suggesting another mode with a separate universe just for PvP? So long as I don't have to pay any more for the development of it then sure. I reckon, IMO, that most people would remain in the place they are now and only a few would migrate to a full PvP only arena style universe.

Maybe I'm just not understanding your question!

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You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you seem to think it means...

I did play the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz once, if that helps.

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To be honest dude I'm sorry I didn't do a bit more homework on this game.. Some friends talked me into getting the game, it was told to me it would be like EARTH AND BEYOND.. but now I see this game will never hold a candle to that game. After over 500,000,000 in trade, owning everything this game has to offer, and limitations with a max of 32 players per instance there was no need to even bring it on-line.

Clearly player interaction and communication was an after thought. While hundreds if not thousands are just waiting to leave this game for something that addresses and facilitates PVP, Player Interaction on a global scale, Clans, Communication, and Mutual Enemy Forces, this is all that's available.. when that game presents it's self.. the lights will go out..

For PvP centric players. And if so... Bye. So long and thanks for all the fish (i.e. Bankrolling ED.)

 

[mongo2006]

This is only a "problem" because people use 3rd party tools to TELL THEM WHERE TO GO. In other words, traders are causing their own problem. Stop using 3rd party tools to tell you where to go. Get away from the high population systems and you'll find trade routes that don't get wrecked so fast. And as a bonus, you won't be in predictable places for player pirates to find you (if you're playing Open).

3rd part tools are not needed to find routes bro, as a matter of fact 3rd party tools are so unreliable with false information they are useless. Filtering the map by population and commodities to find routes is the best way to make money and find what you need.. But FD has provided no documentation for this game so many feel they have no choice but to use 3rd party tool.. they have no clue how to find routes.. If they would filter population between 33%-66% they would find all they would ever need.. but I'm not here to teach them.

The problem is there are no good routes outside of commonly used space.. in this game population drives quantity.. If you go 300ly out from Sol in any direction you'll find there is no sustainable supply, no buyers for sellers or no sellers for buyers.. because there is no demand.. Quantity has been nerfed on a global scale so all the routes are drying up as FD intended.. People complaining about traders and FD twisted idea of making it take longer to buy items to keep players here longer isn't going to work. We'll just be fighting over trade routes and nerfs until we've had enough and leave like many others have already.

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Okay, just to be clear - you said Solo, Private and PvE - I read Solo, Groups and Open as we have at present. So perhaps you are not being clear? There is just one universe and FDev have said that they are not interested in creating more than one living universe. In that case, I would like to influence the same universe as everyone else, have the same benefits, etc. I think I said that.

Are you suggesting another mode with a separate universe just for PvP? So long as I don't have to pay any more for the development of it then sure. I reckon, IMO, that most people would remain in the place they are now and only a few would migrate to a full PvP only arena style universe.

Maybe I'm just not understanding your question!

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I did play the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz once, if that helps.

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For PvP centric players. And if so... Bye. So long and thanks for all the fish (i.e. Bankrolling ED.)

Your welcome.. I bank roll a lot of games.. but this may be the first that leaves a regret..

 

[Lenroc elisav]

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you seem to think it means...

Huh ..... OK. I don't think you know exactly what we are talking about but since the internet arguing is highly fragmented I don't hold it against you. And don't take everything so literal, one can anthropomorphize a straw-man for the sake of the discussion .

Okay, just to be clear - you said Solo, Private and PvE - I read Solo, Groups and Open as we have at present. So perhaps you are not being clear? There is just one universe and FDev have said that they are not interested in creating more than one living universe. In that case, I would like to influence the same universe as everyone else, have the same benefits, etc. I think I said that.

Are you suggesting another mode with a separate universe just for PvP? So long as I don't have to pay any more for the development of it then sure. I reckon, IMO, that most people would remain in the place they are now and only a few would migrate to a full PvP only arena style universe.

Maybe I'm just not understanding your question!

How is my fault that you are trying to "address my point" w/o paying attention to context?
It doesn't have to be PvP only, with a careful design it could be so much more. It could actually be a "breathing" virtual world.

Well ... fly dangerous and have fun. Good luck, commanders! o7

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

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The problem is there are no good routes outside of commonly used space..

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Your welcome.. I bank roll a lot of games.. but this may be the first that leaves a regret..

I can tell you that the first is not true. When I started out, I found very reasonably profitable routes in the middle of nowhere. But that was a long time ago when I was making up to an explorer/prospecting type vessel. I'm sure there are others out there who will testify to the same thing.

But then, maybe we are talking the extremely profitable routes... the ones that make you rich really fast? Maybe it's just the idea of what is "good" in your eyes.

As to the second - I actually hope it doesn't. It's early days (the third month of release.) Give it some time, but don't expect it to be something it's not. It was never a PvP focused game in design, and it will never change it's spots... without abandoning the heritage it came from and the reason most people backed it in the beginning.

 

[Top Cat]

Huh ..... OK. I don't think you know exactly what we are talking about but since the internet arguing is highly fragmented I don't hold it against you. And don't take everything so literal, one can anthropomorphize a straw-man for the sake of the discussion .

I dont care what you are talking about, except you are using the word straw-man incorrectly. A strawman is a misrepresentation of an argument. Except thats not whats been happening. You might be misunderstanding each other, but a misunderstanding is not the same as a strawman unless you can prove it a wilful misunderstanding.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

How is my fault that you are trying to "address my point" w/o paying attention to context?
It doesn't have to be PvP only, with a careful design it could be so much more. It could actually be a "breathing" virtual world.

Well ... fly dangerous and have fun. Good luck, commanders! o7

Um... We already have one of those. It's a work in progress, I'll admit. But it's the same universe we all play in, whether it's Open/Groups/Solo.

Yes I will. o7 to you too.

 

[mongo2006]

Mongo...just a pawn, in this great game...of life......
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YO!!!...... You seem to know how Traders play................can I have a go?
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Er-hem (clears throat).....All pirates are cheaters, they got their money from broken code, allowing them to have MILLIONS in the bank...so that all these "poor pirates" seem to run around in the most expensive ships......and now, they are bored with the game, because they ruined it for themselves.....and now, they want to ruin it for eveyrone else........./sarc

amirite?

1. Sorry bro I don't think I've said the word "ALL" in any post that I've made.. that word is inflammatory and your failed attempt to fan the fire of trollation won't work with me.. I guess that's the best you could do..

2. How people made their money is of no concern of mine.. but I take great pride is saying and telling the truth when I say I earned every credit I have.. you're efforts to ridicule me for having pride to those facts brings question upon you.. not me.

3. I don't know where you get your facts from about Pirates but it seems flawed to me.. All I do is trade and kill Pirates.. As a high stakes trader it's in my best interest to kill Pirates. They range from Anaconda's to Sidewinders..

because they ruined it for themselves.....and now, they want to ruin it for eveyrone else........./sarc

4. There are some solo games you buy and they last for a week to get to the end, you enjoy them while they last and then off to the next game. Now for some people it may take a week, for others it may take 6 months to get to the end. I enjoy my life to the fullest, I have the means, time, and control over my life to do so... for me I'm waiting for more content.. you may no be where I am in the game but you have no need to be jealous because I can tell you first hand there is no rain-bow at the end of the yellow brink road

Besides I can't ruin your game bro while you play off-line.. lol FD has proven to be quite capable of doing that all alone.

 

[Lenroc elisav]

I dont care what you are talking about, except you are using the word straw-man incorrectly. A strawman is a misrepresentation of an argument. Except thats not whats been happening. You might be misunderstanding each other, but a misunderstanding is not the same as a strawman unless you can prove it a wilful misunderstanding.

Well, I concede I stretched the meaning a bit (wasn't an argument misrepresented but an entire post) would you ever be able to forgive me .

edit - How in the world can I prove that on the internetz?

 

[Eisdrache]

Actually I think there shouldn't be more than one version of the universe.

It's not because I would be such a hotshot, but difficult games create rather great communities. Just because you often experience situations that foster friendship or even require some reliable comrades to get through.

This is functioning even better the more success depends on knowledge instead of sole power.

In my opinion a living world needs all kind of people to be rich. They should not be "planeshifted" into three different versions of the same universe.

 

[mongo2006]

I can tell you that the first is not true. When I started out, I found very reasonably profitable routes in the middle of nowhere. But that was a long time ago when I was making up to an explorer/prospecting type vessel. I'm sure there are others out there who will testify to the same thing.

But then, maybe we are talking the extremely profitable routes... the ones that make you rich really fast? Maybe it's just the idea of what is "good" in your eyes.

As to the second - I actually hope it doesn't. It's early days (the third month of release.) Give it some time, but don't expect it to be something it's not. It was never a PvP focused game in design, and it will never change it's spots... without abandoning the heritage it came from and the reason most people backed it in the beginning.

Dude what you did in beta is of no interest to me or any other trader right NOW.. clearly you can't trade and if you aint talking over 3100cr per ton sustainable why you talking?

 

[Mikey2305]

Arguing about the terms of the argument. Now my brain is beginning to hurt

Sorry... That makes no sense and was a reply to summat now several pages back and i cant be bothered to seek it out. Enjoy your discussion guys

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Dude what you did in beta is of no interest to me or any other trader right NOW.. clearly you can't trade and if you aint talking over 3100cr per ton sustainable why you talking?

Just because people who have good routes aren't sharing them with you, does not give you the right to throw your rattle out of the pram.

 

[atak2]

Purely speculation:

I think when the Wings update arrives the makeup of the player base and the forum base is going to change.

Those that kickstarted the game and those who enjoy mainly PvE trading make up a significant presence in the game and forum at the moment.

With the arrival of the Wings update the game/forum environment will see a drastic uptick in the pro-PvPers and people buying the game for the new combat features in the game and on the forum.

I think with the arrival of all these pro open/PvP players there will be much more call for PvP interaction and I believe Frontier will start angling the game to accomodate the large pro-PvP population.

Unfortunately for PvE/Solo/Offline players I think this is the way the game will head and instead of PvP being rolled back, the games development will inevitably become more open to PvP aspects.

I could be wrong but I believe this is what will happen.

 

[mongo2006]

Just because people who have good routes aren't sharing them with you, does not give you the right to throw your rattle out of the pram.

LOL.. I have a A-Anaconda, A-Python, Type 9, 3 A-Vipers and a hauler to go from base to base and a couple hundred mill in the bank.. do you really think I need someone to give me a route.. This is my daily commuter I couldn't care less about gas prices..



Big Boy

 

[Gogster]

LOL.. I have a A-Anaconda, A-Python, Type 9, 3 A-Vipers and a hauler to go from base to base and a couple hundred mill in the bank.. do you really think I need someone to give me a route.. This is my daily commuter I couldn't care less about gas prices..

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Lend me a few million guv

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

LOL.. I have a A-Anaconda, A-Python, Type 9, 3 A-Vipers and a hauler to go from base to base and a couple hundred mill in the bank.. do you really think I need someone to give me a route.. This is my daily commuter I couldn't care less about gas prices..

is this the 3301 equivalent of the argument about the size of a man's car vs the size of his........ shoes?

 

[tagos]

Purely speculation:

I think when the Wings update arrives the makeup of the player base and the forum base is going to change.

Those that kickstarted the game and those who enjoy mainly PvE trading make up a significant presence in the game and forum at the moment.

With the arrival of the Wings update the game/forum environment will see a drastic uptick in the pro-PvPers and people buying the game for the new combat features in the game and on the forum.

I think with the arrival of all these pro open/PvP players there will be much more call for PvP interaction and I believe Frontier will start angling the game to accomodate the large pro-PvP population.

Unfortunately for PvE/Solo/Offline players I think this is the way the game will head and instead of PvP being rolled back, the games development will inevitably become more open to PvP aspects.

I could be wrong but I believe this is what will happen.

New customers are always welcome but I doubt it'll happen. There's going to be a huge gap between promise and reality. We're already playing in a huge gap between promise and reality as it is.