I dropped 4mil on one of those as the first mission I did for a minor faction, did one more little delivery mission for the minor faction after that and got friendly. So it appears that it is a large rep boost.
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I dropped 4mil on one of those as the first mission I did for a minor faction, did one more little delivery mission for the minor faction after that and got friendly. So it appears that it is a large rep boost.
HAH, was wondering why I got a down arrow randomly the other day. I got interdicted by a wanted NPC pirate and being in my Asp I taught him a thing or two about combat. Easy win, but at the station I notice down arrows. So that's why..Yes, they indeed fixed it previously.
But in 1.105 they "unfixed" it again I'd guess
You can test it, take down such a Pirate (Wanted in local jurisdiction, thus already displaying as Wanted without additional KWS) and give the Reputation screen the Minutes it needs to update.
You'll see the red arrow within 2-3 Minutes usually.
This is what a typical 30 Minutes of Bounty Hunting gives you now, fully adhering to all rules, KWS and extreme firing discipline without any Friendly Fire incidents :
http://www.falconfly.de/temp/ELITE-BH_Reputation.jpg
All that indeed used to be fixed. Now it is even worse than is used to be before the fix, as every Faction and involved Government gives you the thumbs down - despite happily paying you for doing exactly that.
Outside of unfettered factions (at least their reaction to a pure bounty hunter actively engaging their ships is to be expected and understandable), 100% contradictory.
This reputation system is . It's so convoluted that we can't even tell if/when it broke.
Mission screens, and kill warrant details should unambiguously indicate the consequences of a mission or action. Show which factions will be happy. Show which factions will be mad. Use the same code that is run when the mission is turned in, so that it's consistent even if broken and illogical.
We need this, soon!
Mission screens, and kill warrant details should unambiguously indicate the consequences of a mission or action. Show which factions will be happy. Show which factions will be mad. Use the same code that is run when the mission is turned in, so that it's consistent even if broken and illogical.
We need this, soon!
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Matches my experience. My home system is filled with Wanteds, who are part of the factions I don't want mad at me. And, even those who are theoretically allied with you, will still interdict you. Happened to me with my Adder. If I couldn't run, I would have to fight. If I won, my rep went down.
Anarchy systems, or systems allied with opposing factions, are probably the remaining places to hunt, if you want to keep your rep. Always do a KWS before firing, unless they fire first.
Dude don't even bother. Faction is so broken I've put in tickets and STILL haven't heard back since the release of 1.1 (when it started messing up). Just do something else. They will fix it when the hamsters are fed.seeing as how point defense turrets are still broken... Apparently getting new content out is more important than fixing the issues, so when the new content comes out it's compounded upon each other with more issues.
This is not the first thread on this topic. If we were all doing something wrong, or if there was a fundamental misunderstanding, I feel that @Michael or some other dev would quickly correct us. Compared to bug fixes, posting clarification details to the forum is quick and easy.
I have to conclude that it's bugged to hell.
I have to conclude that it's bugged to hell.
Yes, they indeed fixed it previously.
But in 1.105 they "unfixed" it again I'd guess
You can test it, take down such a Pirate (Wanted in local jurisdiction, thus already displaying as Wanted without additional KWS) and give the Reputation screen the Minutes it needs to update.
You'll see the red arrow within 2-3 Minutes usually.
This is what a typical 30 Minutes of Bounty Hunting gives you now, fully adhering to all rules, KWS and extreme firing discipline without any Friendly Fire incidents :
http://www.falconfly.de/temp/ELITE-BH_Reputation.jpg
All that indeed used to be fixed. Now it is even worse than is used to be before the fix, as every Faction and involved Government gives you the thumbs down - despite happily paying you for doing exactly that.
Outside of unfettered factions (at least their reaction to a pure bounty hunter actively engaging their ships is to be expected and understandable), 100% contradictory.
I could kind of understand it if you had a blue arrow for the controlling faction but reds for all of the other ones. But that just doesn't make sense. Surely if the target is wanted killing them should give a positive reputation hit.
The most likely explanation for me is this. Some of the targets belong to a minor faction other than the controlling faction but sharing the same major faction. By killing them you maybe incur negative rep with the major faction. The weighting of this rep change may be off so that it outweighs the positive rep you gain 'locally' for the controlling faction. So the net reputation change for that faction would be negative. IMO this is broken - if a faction is offering a bounty they want that person dead and so you should always get positive reputation, whatever the major faction allegiance.
If the weighting was sorted you could still have a situation where you spent half an hour bounty hunting and end up with red arrows for all factions apart from the controlling faction - eg.
You are hunting in a system with 4 factions all of which are Federal. You kill 30 ships, each of which is wanted by the controlling faction and by one of the other factions (split equally).
- Your rep with the controlling faction goes up. All of the ships you have killed were wanted and this outweighs the reputation drop from killing ships from the same major faction.
- Your rep with the other three factions goes down. For each, although you have killed 10 ships that were wanted, you also killed 20 ships that were not wanted and which belonged to their major faction (i.e. were 'friendly').
I'll look at testing this out later - if it holds any weight then by ensuring that any kills belong to independent factions from out of system you should get blue arrows.
I would note that this explanation would not be consistent with the way the KWS shows bounties - i.e 3000 in Federation etc. That suggests the bounties are 'international' and that any ship wanted by another faction of the same major faction allegiance would no longer be counted as 'friendly'
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Except this one of course.
And yet you didn't ignore and posted in here.....
There is no way in hell I would pay 4mil for rep in a broken reputation system. It would be my luck that it would adversely affect me. And then I would have yet again ANOTHER ticket in that they aren't going to answer. I hope they get to this issue soon. Because if they plan on releasing more faction based ships they are going to have a riot on their hands when it's released.
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what is point of hunting reputation with certain fraction
I was care less for reputation till I did not came in to Empire space, than started building rep with empire as I wanna switch from ASP to cliper not to t7, t7 is sitting duck even I never died with t7 still it is sitting duck
. Now I am one step from Baron rank so one step from my cliper, but huge disappointment when I entered forbidden empire system I got invited to . Nothing , nothing special in that system, no special weapon or any gear, no cheap commodities or high priced commodities I could bring and sell , no special missions , simple I could not find any thing /reason for this system to be locked for non ranked players. It does not offer anything , only baron rank will allow purchase of cliper, beside that locked system does not contain anything what others dont have, even some other have much more to offer than this one , summerland system is one I talking about, have no idea will something be different with another system which is atm locked for me till I dont get baron rank.
So question is , why development made those locked systems for not ranked players when those systems does not offer anything spec?
I was care less for reputation till I did not came in to Empire space, than started building rep with empire as I wanna switch from ASP to cliper not to t7, t7 is sitting duck even I never died with t7 still it is sitting duck
. Now I am one step from Baron rank so one step from my cliper, but huge disappointment when I entered forbidden empire system I got invited to . Nothing , nothing special in that system, no special weapon or any gear, no cheap commodities or high priced commodities I could bring and sell , no special missions , simple I could not find any thing /reason for this system to be locked for non ranked players. It does not offer anything , only baron rank will allow purchase of cliper, beside that locked system does not contain anything what others dont have, even some other have much more to offer than this one , summerland system is one I talking about, have no idea will something be different with another system which is atm locked for me till I dont get baron rank.So question is , why development made those locked systems for not ranked players when those systems does not offer anything spec?
Utter confusion at federal reputation tomfoolery and mystery bounty
So I've posted before about my sol permit opportunity going away after getting unfriendly with the feds and recieving no other permits (seriously, I've been kicking around in an Adder since January and have not even one system permit), but this is just weird.
I found a nice system with pristine metalic rings, a good place to sell minerals nearby, and Ocellus station in the system that likes to buy fancy metals...big win. I'd like them friendly before I tear into the rings, so I run around doing missions and trades and scans nearby, selling data at the nice system and trying to curry favour. I get them neutral+ and they offer that dumb "kill gen. jerkface" mission, and I decide to upgrade and try it. Numerous failures with escapes later, I get interdicted by an imperial clipper without shields, and manage to actually get killed due to trying a fixed beam laser with my gimbaled pulse, accidentally ramming the heavier ship for 58% of my hull, and forgetting to fire my darn chaff. 70k in the toilet, I take a mission to bring some gold, 'turns out it was for the wrong faction, and now the station's unfriendly again when you compound the lost rep from failing the federal rank mission.
This weekend I go around getting my local data I hadn't sold yet and getting my rep back, again aiming for friendly with the target system, finish a painfully long loop after 4 am, back up to neutral, good enough.
Yesterday I logged in and found that I had a miniscule bounty: 100cr. However, I don't remember doing anything to get a fine, nor having a bounty when I docked Saturday night. Not only that, but I'm somehow neutral again with the feds! W00t, I suppose, but I remember them still being unfriendly when last I played. I go to pay the bounty, and it's 150? That's slightly more than what the transactions tab said.
Is there some hidden mechanic that transforms negative rep with a major faction to a small bounty after a while?
So I've posted before about my sol permit opportunity going away after getting unfriendly with the feds and recieving no other permits (seriously, I've been kicking around in an Adder since January and have not even one system permit), but this is just weird.
I found a nice system with pristine metalic rings, a good place to sell minerals nearby, and Ocellus station in the system that likes to buy fancy metals...big win. I'd like them friendly before I tear into the rings, so I run around doing missions and trades and scans nearby, selling data at the nice system and trying to curry favour. I get them neutral+ and they offer that dumb "kill gen. jerkface" mission, and I decide to upgrade and try it. Numerous failures with escapes later, I get interdicted by an imperial clipper without shields, and manage to actually get killed due to trying a fixed beam laser with my gimbaled pulse, accidentally ramming the heavier ship for 58% of my hull, and forgetting to fire my darn chaff. 70k in the toilet, I take a mission to bring some gold, 'turns out it was for the wrong faction, and now the station's unfriendly again when you compound the lost rep from failing the federal rank mission.
This weekend I go around getting my local data I hadn't sold yet and getting my rep back, again aiming for friendly with the target system, finish a painfully long loop after 4 am, back up to neutral, good enough.
Yesterday I logged in and found that I had a miniscule bounty: 100cr. However, I don't remember doing anything to get a fine, nor having a bounty when I docked Saturday night. Not only that, but I'm somehow neutral again with the feds! W00t, I suppose, but I remember them still being unfriendly when last I played. I go to pay the bounty, and it's 150? That's slightly more than what the transactions tab said.
Is there some hidden mechanic that transforms negative rep with a major faction to a small bounty after a while?
There are certain factions that I had to "concentrate" in order to get the missions to pop. For example I would only do missions for the Federal Congress if I was going for Midshipman. When I was going for Petty Officer I would concentrate on doing missions for Beta hydri Democrats. That seems to be the only way I could get them to pop all the way to Post Commander. If I spent time doing missions for other Fed factions missions(even if I did 50) Rank Progressions never showed up. Here is a chart from the wikia that I used. Hope it works for you as well. Your rep will go up quicker if you take missions with the hand under the cross (freebies). At least that has been my experience.
| Permit Locked System | Permit Rewarded By | [Collapse] Rank Required |
|---|---|---|
| Sol | Federal Congress | Midshipman |
| Vega | Vega Independents | Ensign |
| Hors | Workers of Hors Values Party | Lieutenant |
| Beta Hydri | Beta Hydri Democrats | Petty Officer |
| PLX 695 | PLX 695 Values Party | Chief Petty Officer |
| Ross 128 | Social Ross 128 Coalition | Warrant Officer |
| Exbeur | Workers of Exbeur Democrats | Lieutenant Commander |
For Post Commander I had to do missions for Workers of Hors Values Party.
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Heh, it's a little weirder than that for me. I'm at midshipman, had the sol permit mission turn up all over the place, but feared it required actually going there, then got the feds mad and went unfriendly. The permit mission disappeared at that point, replaced by the "kill gen. doofus" midshipman => petty officer rank mission.
In fact the "dumb "kill gen. jerkface" mission" I reference above is the midshipman => petty officer rank mission.
What's strange is that I went from unfriendly and clean to neutral with miniscule and conflicting bounties between loging off and logging back in.
In fact the "dumb "kill gen. jerkface" mission" I reference above is the midshipman => petty officer rank mission.
What's strange is that I went from unfriendly and clean to neutral with miniscule and conflicting bounties between loging off and logging back in.
Have you done any reputation gain ones? They are the ones with no reward.
I saw one that I was going to do but I couldn't because the system it wanted me to goto required a permit. You don't gain reputation by killing ships with wanted levels?
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Right now im at Birkeland City terminal and I have no available missions. I flew to a few different stations and no available federation missions. Is there another way to gain rep because id like to gain access to SOL.
