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[OrionNorway]

Actually, ED allow anyone to play as he want when he want.
Which is a big step for MMO games cause this allow players to choose how they want to play and with whom they want to play.

So your question is in fact "why won't peoples play with me ?" and you answer is "force them to play with me".
Remind me a bit Kindergarden ...

You are in the Kindergarden my friend, safe, in you're little playgroud alone or with you're kindergarden friends.

Why so afraid? It's just a game. And as I have told you, I have not met anyone that wanted to shoot me down.... Actually, I'd like some one to come an do it, because Elite Dangerous is so borng at the moment. Can anyone come to the Pethes system an kill me, and end this bordome?

 

[Astronut57]

I must admit I quite like the adrenalin rush of being interdicted and getting away from another CMDR but there are players out there who get off on destroying other CMDR's under the cloak of 'piracy' and then pay off their bounties at the first opportunity - this needs fixing especially now 'wings' is out. I've always run but one of these days I will fight back if I'm not trying to earn credits for the next module upgrade. I've been set back a couple of times by killer 'pirates' and it took an age to get back where I was.
I think my reward will be a kickass Vulture or a Fer-de-lance and then I'll go bounty hunting. I have a couple of names on my list - revenge is a dish best served cold <evil grin>
I've always played in 'open' though and have no desire yet to go 'solo'. Though if 'wings' makes things worse I may have to.

 

[OrionNorway]

Make a announce on forums, find peoples as you wish, make a group, join a group, join multiples groups.
The game allow it.

Actually I am in a small groop, we newer play in that groop anywhy... .

FD needs to end Solo and Group play, that is for sure... This game will end in the junk if they do not do anything rapidly. And they must do something about the content of the game. it's werry boring at the moment. Wanted to kill a pirate, but I never did find him... Looking in 3x systems... Waiting waiting.. Have never met the pirate I was supposed to kill when I took the job in the bulletin board.. Really need to do something about that...

 

[Bomba Luigi]

You are in the Kindergarden my friend, safe, in you're little playgroud alone or with you're kindergarden friends.

Why so afraid? It's just a game. And as I have told you, I have not met anyone that wanted to shoot me down.... Actually, I'd like some one to come an do it, because Elite Dangerous is so borng at the moment. Can anyone come to the Pethes system an kill me, and end this bordome?

Has nothing to with being afraid. When you don't play Solo, does that mean you are afraid of Solo? No, you just like Open more. And other People like Solo more. And other like Group more. And other like switching depending on there mood.

Its really quite simple, People just play Game the way they have the most fun with it. There is no Superior and only true way of playing ED, open is not that and Solo/Group is it not. The Idea that "All People should play the Game XYZ because I say thats the best way to play it" is just silly.

 

[Cruis.In]

There is no question that you cannot get the same adrenaline rush in solo as in open, but the question is whether players want it. Once you've tasted it, its hard to enjoy anything else. Everything else seems so bland.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

I don't know what FD can do to get more into Open. Just giving a trade bonus to Open traders will not work. It has to be something special, something that we can call our own and something that will get more of us into Open play. Something that does add reward for the risk we are taking and shifts Open play away from all risk for no reward.

It may already be too late for many of them. Once they have decided there is no shame in hiding, they are unlikely to go back.

But in general, FD need to fix the things that make them run away. So make the AI just as hard so people do not see solo as 'easy mode'. Also put in the long-promised consequences of murder, and make sure those consequences are significant. IMHO, they should not have gone general release without the latter: the fact that it is still not done suggests they are encouraging the pew-pew merchants and don't care about the impact on the traders. I suspect this is because they want to encourage a different audience.

 

[Phosphora]

You are in the Kindergarden my friend, safe, in you're little playgroud alone or with you're kindergarden friends.

I don't avoid Open play because I want safety. I avoid Open play because I find PvP utterly dull and tedious. I enjoy the slow grind of trading in group, where I can play without being affected by other players. I enjoy chatting with others, but I hate fighting. Mobius's group has well over 5,000 players now, so I'm not alone. I have no problem with people playing PvP, but there's no need to make it compulsory.

People vary. What is exciting to you can be boring to others. Frontier have recognised that diversity by allowing separate play styles.

If you make Open the only game in the galaxy, people will play something other than Elite. That's hardly going to make Open more populated than it is.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[DDC]

I play in Mobius. Human contact yet no random PVP.

 

[OrionNorway]

Has nothing to with being afraid. When you don't play Solo, does that mean you are afraid of Solo? No, you just like Open more. And other People like Solo more. And other like Group more. And other like switching depending on there mood.

Its really quite simple, People just play Game the way they have the most fun with it. There is no Superior and only true way of playing ED, open is not that and Solo/Group is it not. The Idea that "All People should play the Game XYZ because I say thats the best way to play it" is just silly.

You are actually wrong, it has all about beeing afraid. Afraid of being shot down and haveing to start all over again... But like you said, some people wants to play the game as it is supposed to be played, and some want's to sheat. Players in Solo and Group play is sheating.

As in other singelplayer games, some players like to use sheat codes to get every thing in the game right away.. where is the fun of that? And in this game, some people want's to play in the solo or group to build them selves up safe from other players, and then.. when they finaly get the biggest an thoughest ship with its utility and weapons, then they enter the arena. I call it sheating.

And lets face it, some people like to sheat. But that is not the same as we should let them sheat... so therefor FD should close down Solo and Group play so we get more people in the multiplayer, and so there is not possible for sheaters to sheat. At least make sure that the sheaters do not get to use their sheating ships in the open world.

 

[Darth Ender]

I only play in open. I have been playing an un-armed (no weapons at all) trading ship for a couple weeks now but regardless, I haven't seen a commander in a while (maybe 1 a month). It's not hard to play open and not get into pvp. All the crying about open and PvP being forced upon you is just hilarious. There are many systems and 99% of them wont see another human other than you for a very long time and you dont have to go far to see the drop off in human traffic.


edit: until FD actually begins dealing with the ram hack cheating that is rampantly abused in the game giving players infinite shields and blocking yours from recharging and giving them all kinds of energy and credit making hacks - I'll stay off in the frontier. But i'd never leave open. absolutely no reason to.

 

[Loskene]

Non-combat players are not this game's target demographic. The advertising material makes that clear.

 

[OrionNorway]

Has nothing to with being afraid. When you don't play Solo, does that mean you are afraid of Solo? No, you just like Open more. And other People like Solo more. And other like Group more. And other like switching depending on there mood.

Its really quite simple, People just play Game the way they have the most fun with it. There is no Superior and only true way of playing ED, open is not that and Solo/Group is it not. The Idea that "All People should play the Game XYZ because I say thats the best way to play it" is just silly.

I enjoy chatting with others, but I hate fighting. Mobius's group has well over 5,000 players now, so I'm not alone.

The whole point of this game is fighting, or at least defending one selves.
Ok, so you have a group of 5 000 players.. That is really why the solo and group play must end, so we get more people in the open play.. You will not end playing Elite because you have to go in to the multiplay, that I am quite sure of.

 

[manny72]

I used to always play Open-Play, till I was docking in Lave system and my Brand new Asp that I worked so hard for was destroyed INSIDE the station by a player firing unlimited dumb-fire missiles at me. That in itself nearly ruined the game for me, so much hard work gone in a second. I now play in an open group where the game can be what I want it to be. The group has many thousands of players and not a single one of them is a c**k head with issues that drive them to destroy other peoples games.

 

[Darth Ender]

You can't really justify forcing players into combat when the game doesn't have the means to stop/punish those who cheat. It's better to leave open to those who actually want to be in open or you create an environment where you just magnify the problems caused by un-checked cheating. Leaving it as it is at least masks the problem of cheating - which seems to be the path we're on at the moment.

 

[Phosphora]

The whole point of this game is fighting, or at least defending one selves.
Ok, so you have a group of 5 000 players.. That is really why the solo and group play must end, so we get more people in the open play.. You will not end playing Elite because you have to go in to the multiplay, that I am quite sure of.

No, there are multiple points to the game. Fighting, trading, exploring, etc. People are free to choose what they like. People don't hurt you by playing in solo or group.

Ending solo or group won't necessarily mean that people start playing in open. Some people are like me, they cannot stand PvP. They would be likely to switch to another game entirely, and open would stay at the same population level.

People are different to you. What works for you will not necessarily work for others.

When I decided to back this game, I read the specification carefully. I made absolutely sure that I would be able to avoid PvP before I spent any money. To an extent that's a contract between me and Frontier, and Frontier would not benefit from breaking that contract. That's why solo and group play should stay, people have paid for this play style. I can absolutely assure you that I will not play any game that enforces PvP, and that includes Elite.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Jorlin]

As i already told numerous times:
You can't force people into the role of a victim and expect them to enjoy it. Actually maybe there are some... but they don't play that much because they spend much time downstairs in chains wearing a leather mask...
If people don't enjoy a game, they don't play it.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

You are actually wrong, it has all about beeing afraid. Afraid of being shot down and haveing to start all over again... But like you said, some people wants to play the game as it is supposed to be played, and some want's to sheat. Players in Solo and Group play is sheating.

As in other singelplayer games, some players like to use sheat codes to get every thing in the game right away.. where is the fun of that? And in this game, some people want's to play in the solo or group to build them selves up safe from other players, and then.. when they finaly get the biggest an thoughest ship with its utility and weapons, then they enter the arena. I call it sheating.

And lets face it, some people like to sheat. But that is not the same as we should let them sheat... so therefor FD should close down Solo and Group play so we get more people in the multiplayer, and so there is not possible for sheaters to sheat. At least make sure that the sheaters do not get to use their sheating ships in the open world.

You make the mistake of taking your taste and opinion and trying to sell it as a Fact, which it isn't. I play Solo because I want to play Solo, I'm really not afraid of you or anybody else. Why in the world should I? I have nothing to loose that is in any way of any Importance when somebody shoots at me. Its just annyoing and thats it. Who wants annoying stuff interrupting there Fun? Certainly not me.

I simply don't like Multiplayer, winning or loosing dosn't matter I just don't like it. People like diffrent things, and ED gives diffrent People diffrent ways to play and enjoy the Game, which is a good thing. And there are plenty of People in Open, People just all the Time seem to forgett that even the inhabitet Space is really hughe and so you get the spread Issue which is much more a Problem for you then the Number of People who play in Open.

Seriously, when people like the same things you like they will play the same way you do. If they don't they won't, you would change nothing by taking away Group/Solo other then less People playing the Game.

 

[Dielos]

I just got pirated by a Cmdr (2nd highest bounty in Federation) for the first time and loved it. For that kind of interaction like the one I just had is worth being in open.

 

[Stewart_]

I'm more interested in playing the game how I want, not others think I should play, thank you.

I have yet to see anything appealing in Open Play, Mobius Group is perfect for me - I still get to meet humans. PvP does not interest me whatsoever. Cooperative play does.

Attempting to force people into Open Play will be counter productive - people will quit.

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Your opinions are actually quite the opposite to FD. Solo and Group mode are both an equal to Open play, as specifically stated by FD / DB.

But like you said, some people wants to play the game as it is supposed to be played, and some want's to sheat. Players in Solo and Group play is sheating. <snip>

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This thread should really be moved to Solo vs Open thread.

 

[Hacker#451563]

I don't like the fact that you can get a great ship/loads of cash /whatever in SOLO mode and then come to OPEN with all that stuff. (Because I'm old and bitter) I've never been in anything but OPEN since I finished the 6 training missions.

Also I've met 1 person in open, I mean it; just 1 since 1.0 launch, and he said 'Hi', and because I have no idea how to answer people in this game :S I was unable to return the greeting and talk about the colour of the senators new party dress (which is what one does these days I hear) and he flew off probably thinking I was bloody rude.

I really, really want to see more people in open. I'll even help protect haulers for a few ejected tonnes of biowaste (only 4 tonnes, I only have a Sidey)...Oh to be able to point out astronomical wonders as we cruise through space togerther like Edmund and Bob. Well maybe not exactly like them but you get the idea.

This game has HUGE potentual and if the errrmmmm....More mature...? Yes, more mature players get it together now while the game is in it's infancy it will get a good, strong, trustworthy core going that will be able to make a real differance in the future.
I could just be an old hippy dreamer with a spaceship and a few creds to my name (well in fact that pretty much what I am TBH) but space is big enough to dream in, and if others share that dream then it can only be better. Can't it?

Hmmmm I started this post in one mindset and then changed as I thought about whats really important. Right! I no longer care about those that have made their fortunes solo! Just join us in the big dark playground and if you are out in space with a 'bad man' trying to get you and I'm around just shout to me about dreams and hopes and unity and I'll come and help, even if it kills me! (which currently costs me about 10 grand to rectify).

Come on....get those feet wet...