I wouldn't say the goal is to push people in any direction per say - isn't the idea of an open, dynamic universe appealing to you? Something that simply without the human element couldn't, and does not truly exist. Even if it does attract additional people, isn't that a good thing? And it's not hurting anyone in Solo. I can't see any reason not to implement a 10% bonus to people trading in open.
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I wouldn't say the goal is to push people in any direction per say - isn't the idea of an open, dynamic universe appealing to you? Something that simply without the human element couldn't, and does not truly exist. Even if it does attract additional people, isn't that a good thing? And it's not hurting anyone in Solo. I can't see any reason not to implement a 10% bonus to people trading in open.
So that's the problem with the open play advocates....it can be boiled down to them wanting to dictate how others have to play the game on the premise that THEIR gameplay is being affected. Totally ignoring that it would really only affect the solo players being forced out of solo into an environment that most likely would cause the most negative result....quitting the game. I think I read a comment that rares should be removed for solo players...!! Pretty arrogant if you ask me, which they won't since it doesn't matter how MY gameplay is affected.
Pretty sad that this thread has gone on now for 288 pages.
Snakebite I fail to see how people playing solo detriments the overall game...you have your opinion and the solo players have theirs. Is it because YOU are being, in YOUR opinion, robbed of targets?...TOO BAD...if they remove solo you will be denied them anyway from people kissing the game goodbye.
FD designed the game so players could do what they want....including not being in open.....take that away and the people WILL LEAVE.
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I agree. 100%
But, and there's always a but, many modern MMOs offer a PvE option. If there was Open PvE it would not detract from the social aspect, but could detract from the "challenge" and uncertainty aspect. In ED we are in the awkward position of having one, and an imperfect mix of the other. This is compounded by having one CMDR slot, and the ability to switch at will.
Some people will really enjoy PvP, others will loathe it. We are different people.
Frontier have recognised that diversity with the groups, which is why the groups need to be kept more or less as they are.
People may demand that A plays in a way that suits B's playing style, but A can turn around and say 'No', because A has a different personality to B.
Bounty hunters not getting their jollies is one thing. Perhaps the answer there is for better AI on traders. Traders not getting their jollies is another, and other than solo/group play, there isn't really an option. People won't necessarily want to be the bottom of the food chain.
Group/solo play needs to continue.
Cheers, Phos.
Frontier have recognised that diversity with the groups, which is why the groups need to be kept more or less as they are.
People may demand that A plays in a way that suits B's playing style, but A can turn around and say 'No', because A has a different personality to B.
Bounty hunters not getting their jollies is one thing. Perhaps the answer there is for better AI on traders. Traders not getting their jollies is another, and other than solo/group play, there isn't really an option. People won't necessarily want to be the bottom of the food chain.
Group/solo play needs to continue.
Cheers, Phos.
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True, but the other side are the players who simply destroy every trader they see whilst spamming "LOL U DIE NOOB" over the comms. Human nature, as you said.
I've never seen that type of behaviour in elite, and there are so many way to counter it ever becomming a serious problem.
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I see it different, there is plenty of scope within the multiplayer environment to please everyone, a carefull mix of game mechanics is needed to achieve it but it can be done. There is simply NO NEED for solo mode whatsover and its existence is damaging to the game.
I play solo for many reasons,but the main reason is i like to play on my own and use less bandwidth.
Also no hackers,grievers,idiots ect ect.
Also solo is not easy mode as ppl make out the npc's can hit hard as well.
And yet i think open mode is damaging the game as well.
As wings don't help me in solo play.
It goes both ways.
Also no hackers,grievers,idiots ect ect.
Also solo is not easy mode as ppl make out the npc's can hit hard as well.
And yet i think open mode is damaging the game as well.
As wings don't help me in solo play.
It goes both ways.
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I have to agree 100%
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I agree that you should not have to put up with griefers, hackers, idiots at all.
but going into solo mode need not be the answer, there are plenty of in-game means to reduce the griefers, idiots etc, almost to zero without resorting to that.
I can and have detail various ways in which pretty much preclude anyone behaving as a griefer in game and really hackers are not going to affect you any more in open than in solo.
Idiots are idiots, just laughat them they really cannot hurt you game.
It is just so obvious that there are so many good reasons to work out the few issues with open mode and no really good reason to pursue solo mode at all.
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its ok, I quite accept that we are all different.
Please explain exactly how is a solo game in any way preferable or superior to a 'properly balanced' multiplayer game.
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Well another good reason is also bandwidth.
As i'm on a cap solo is the perfect solution for me as well.
As i can play allday and use very little while open i use a lot.
They are short of sheep, or they think they are TBH they have no facts just a feeling they are losing something, being cheated, those wolves need to hunt real sheep, AI sheep are cheap sheep, sheep in open that are over 1,000,000 ly away that they will never, ever see are "ok sheep", sheep that are close by but playing in solo or groups are "cheat sheep", even though they bought the game for their own fun & play it on their own pc, in their own time (time that the wolves are not paying for) they still need to be "content" for the wolves.
They say no one should be able to change "modes". If you play in solo because you had a bad day on a Friday and want to be alone for a night to chill out, you can't then meet your mates in open on Saturday night because its unfair in some way, or maybe you can but you need to start again from zero with a new CMDR.
Maybe they are just not seeing enough sheep, unfortunately some sheep have escaped from the "rares enclosure" where they should stay to be farmed and moved away, pesky sheep with their own free will.
I still don't understand why people get so upset about something that has been part of the game from the start, the Dev's have said its not changing, the choice to pick a "mode" has been here from the start, it has been confirmed again recently by MB IIRC, skim back a few pages to the mods posts, Robert Maynard quotes them.
Repeating the same thing, when confirmed its not going to happen?
http://bullydefinitions.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/12/einstein.png
ETA, I have no idea if sheep in open but right next to a wolf (eg lave type busy place where hundreds of players could be at the same time, or community goal etc) are "cheat sheep" or not, I would guess the wolfs would say not, but howl about P2P instancing & 32 player "islands"
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I play in Open by choice. However when I am working away and my Internet connection is using ropey old hotel wifi, then Solo is the only option I have as it can rarely support anything else. Why should I be penalised for that?
And when that day comes, and its a loooonnnnngggggg way off then maybe they will....
With all due respect, no one in this very long thread has proved that multiplayer is preferable to group or solo play. For people who prefer not to play multiplayer, then solo (or perhaps a PvE group like Mobius) is preferable to multiplayer, and no proof needs to be provided, just as I wouldn't expect someone to prove that wine was preferable to beer. There may be plenty of reasons why different proponents of open want everyone to join them, but that doesn't make them right. I want to play my way, you want to play your way, and FD have given us the ability to do just that.
There is every need for solo/group mode. Many people, such as myself and the 5,500 in the Mobius group do not want to have others affecting our flying time.
You may enjoy fighting other people. I don't. I hate it with every fibre of my being. What works for you won't necessarily work for others.
I am happy to play in group. Making open compulsory would make me quit the game completely.
With Elite picking up new players, it looks like solo/group mode is not damaging the game at all. People can play in the style that they want, not the style that you want.
Cheers, Phos.
Underline your opinions, to remind they are opinions.
You might have missed my question from the earlier posts (sorry if you did reply & I missed it), I will restate it so more people can consider it, BTW I think most of us old timers can make our own minds up, if we think we are "missing out" it will be raised at the next ED pensioners meeting along with "It's really a shame if you stop and think about it.", I have emailed the focus group manager to request extra biscuits, they are considering it due to the seriousness of the topic.
Another question I have put out there a few time that also never got an answer to "how is your game any better or worse if I decide to play in open , group or solo, how do you even know if I am online, sleeping, watching a film with the wife or out eating a steak", I mean really what the **** has it got to do with you anyway (not you personally, people in general that want to tell me how I need to play a game I bought, on a PC I also bought, in a room in a house I am still paying for using electricity that I pay for), I mean really, paypal me ~ £800 I spent and I will consider it, buy my bridge (it is still at £3mill) and I will retire & be your content 9-5 Monday to Friday
Totally agree, and if anything is damaging the game its the attitude of any player who feels they have a right to define, even dictate, how another person should play, and those who seem eager to belittle or defame anyone who plays a different mode to them. The best thing for this game would be players supporting other players, regardless of which of the 3 modes they choose to play in. asking the question - how should i play Elite.. open, solo or group? is no different to asking the question what do i want on my chips.. ketchup, Brown Sauce or mayonnaise? Its just a simple preferance. *and some days i want all 3.
You have said before you prefer solo for personal reasons, totally respect that, I prefer solo myself right now for reasons I have stated many times, back in Beta I did try to find you in Freeport when you was in open, unfortunately I was always in a little too late to meet you, but good on you for your "hey I am here in Freeport. I am happy to fight a few of you, we can stop @ 50% hull damage if you want or fight to the end, message me to let me know (or sneak up and jump me), I did try to get online earlier a couple of times, it just never worked out, I did enjoy reading about it though.
How I play relates to my mood, tired / bad day, just an hour or two, I am in solo, no need to share my bad day with anyone else, good mood & a bit of time in Mobius, say hi to a CMDR here & there, good mood (and can afford to lose my ship) open, I got pirated ~ month back by a proper pirate, it was great fun, he worked for his money & was a gentleman, that is making me consider going back to open a bit more.
Shame some people want to stop me having a few hours in open when I feel like it, want separate saves, all this will do is ensure less people play in open, I might only be a sheep for a night or two here & there but I am still another sheep?
Or maybe I should buy a Vulture & come into open & gank them all with my leet skilz, the ones I learnt fighting AI rather then PVP, use those wing tools, comms, etc that I have been refining & learned so much about in solo mode LOL, Mwhaaa fear me open players I am coming to grief you all (well all is quite a lot, I really meant one or two of you, if I can find you that is, and if you wouldn't mind too much old chap, wouldn't want to bother you if you are busy .
The only difference in the speed that traders will progress in solo over open can only be delay caused by other players, its all the same game, solo does not have a great advantage.
If "two of those four roles Pirating and Bounty hunting, CANNOT EXIST if there are no traders in the game." then the pirates & Bounty hunters need to use their open PVP skilz to ensure they get rid of PK's & entice traders back into open, because you damn sure can't force them to play in open, I understand AI cargo might not be great but you can't force people to be your content because the AI don't carry rares.
sorry, after reading many of your posts, with your arguments against solo and group play, the poorly concealed contempt and condescension you have for commanders that choose to play in a manner that suits them but not you (in particular Traders who play solo) i really have to ask this question.. do you actually listen to what other people are saying? or do you just flat out choose to ignore anything anyone else has to say that is contrary to your expectation of how everyone should play ED?
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The magic word is 'NO' not reduce, pretty much or almost zero.. just simply NO
Your reply to this was..
This is just from your last post! Your post history has so many examples of the same thing.. There is nothing to work out, it is simply a case of people having a preferance for different things to you. Many players bought into the game because of the options, in particular the option to play solo or group mode if they wanted too. It isnt even a matter of who is right and who is wrong, or even who is right and who is more right. its just what it is. there is nothing to fix, because a personal preferance isnt something thats broken.
Why do you continue with this, FD have stated it is not going to change (recently), it would appear that you bought the game without researching it, if you had you would know this was part of the game, it has always been part of the game.
I understand you don't like it but its been here from the start, it was here at launch, & its still here, do you see a pattern?.
I have never said this before but its the only answer, I think you bought the wrong game!, thanks for the donation, there is no solution to your problem.
I am pretty sure nearly every argument about solo/open (yeah groups missed out here in the solo/ open / groups thread, I think they were too busy playing the game & having fun).
FD have stated, in this thread that they are not going to change this core feature.
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