AFK Capital ship camping for free money

[Morbad]

I feel that the new anti-"kill stealing" measures have failed spectacularly. Not only does it not prevent what it was supposed to, it enables the absurdities we see going on in conflic zones now.

Nonetheless, the Capital ship can be killed right? Realistically I can't see how that would happen with an even number of Fed / CSG pilots, though.

The cap ship doesn't have shields. A couple of Cobra with seekers can take out almost all the heat relays from a fairly safe distance.

I think you are missing the point. According to people in this thread people going into combat zones and making large amount of money must be either cheating or going AFK. AFKing is not cheating whilst in a combat zone because there could be a reason for afk even though you are still at your computer.

Now if somebody is cheating and goes AKF for a number of hours by using Unlimited hull/shields that is clearly cheating and bannable, but if FD fail to ban them by putting them into solo then who is to blame.

To call everybody cheats just because your unhappy that you didn't think of it first or just because you are unhappy that somebody else is making money and they are not.

I do not see a problem with anybody making money honestly. If its AFK(ish) or tanking at a capital ship then its up to them, but at least they are not openly cheating like those who use outside programs to control their ship.

TBH the words Get Over It and Move on sounds correct.

Exploiting unintended game behavior/mechanisms is cheating.

Thats not what hes saying. He is moaning that people are attacking other ships, killing them with their weapons, but getting some help from the capital ship. He seems to this that it is cheating to have a good ship and be able to get a lot of money for killing targets.

Nothing wrong with taking risks when in a war zone, but going AFK is risky when the player is not cheating.

Cheats make sure there are no risks.

Your argument is a blatant distortion/strawman and you do not know the definition of the word "cheat".

Cheats use other programs to make money.

Not the definition of "cheat".

Join the opposing side and take them out?

Through the screening fire of twenty NPC fighters and a capital ship?

You don't need SCBs. The capital ship clears enemy ships faster than they respawn, so you get short periods of no combat, and your shields recharge normally.

Yes.

 

[Derath]

I will correct you a little. you actually have 4 times your normal shield. So everybody who adopts your outfitting and goes into a combat zone is a cheat. Hmm nice to think that a possible 4000 players are cheating (in your opinion) just because they may kill around a capital ship.

I have to say, if it was possible to tank it for as long as you are saying then its clear that they are using the games mechanics to play the game . If that means staying in one place and keeping an eye on you ship, power levels, shield, shield boosts and anything which means I could possibly loose my shield and hull I wouldn't call it AKFing.

There is clearly no point anybody objecting to anybody when they call a possible 4000 players cheats just because they do not like them playing in solo or group mode.

Next people will be saying that FDev should delete solo and group.

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so you have Zero evidence to back up your claims except for people who seem to openly display the way how they cheat/exploit the game. Shouldn't you be complaining to Fdev about these people who are clearly cheating/exploiting rather than coming on the forum and tainting every player who has taken part in a community event. Calling 4000 players cheats just because you say you have seen a video is unforgivable. Clearly the video maker has a name? If so Report them to Fdev and see when Fdev do about it, they will just move them to solo so they can keep cheating.

LOL is this a troll response? Not once have I called anybody a cheat, there is one and only one circumstance where anything I've posted suggests you are a cheat thats if you are AFK Inside a capital ship, so perhaps you should tone down the personal attack here and no there is no video, they aren't going to deliberately point out how obvious their exploit is. Finally as to why its here, because FDEV actually respond to things on the forums that get enough heat, they do not respond to ticket reports in the slightest.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I am gonna nope out of this thing. Not worth the effort.

 

[Quineloe]

so you have Zero evidence to back up your claims except for people who seem to openly display the way how they cheat/exploit the game. Shouldn't you be complaining to Fdev about these people who are clearly cheating/exploiting rather than coming on the forum and tainting every player who has taken part in a community event. Calling 4000 players cheats just because you say you have seen a video is unforgivable. Clearly the video maker has a name? If so Report them to Fdev and see when Fdev do about it, they will just move them to solo so they can keep cheating.

You're the only one who actually demands proof here because you're apparently the only one who doesn't understand what we're talking about. Everyone else here knows perfectly well how this works, because we
- understand the game mechanics
- understand what a Farragut class BC is capable of.

 

[SquidgyB]

Once again I'd argue - just the same as for Seeking Luxuries and Ben's smuggling experiments...

...working as intended - not an exploit. FD may change it in the future, if they don't like the way it's heading. But without clear communication from FD that a particular tactic or game mechanic is broken and *not to be used*, it is not an exploit nor a cheat.

It might be an easy way to make money and unbalance the ongoing fight, but it's neither exploity or cheaty.

 

[Shanaeri]

Seeing as it takes at least 200m credits to get a ship capable of tanking the damage and registering enough damage before the enemy is killed it's not exactly something most commanders can do, or even want to IMHO. I went there with my 400M Anaconda, and yes the kills are easy you cant really just afk it. A few stray shots on the capital ship or their allies and you need to get out there PDQ.
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The only people who can AFK this for hours are cheaters, everyone else needs to pay attention

 

[snotface]

I am gonna nope out of this thing. Not worth the effort.

you are correct its just not worth it.

You're the only one who actually demands proof here because you're apparently the only one who doesn't understand what we're talking about. Everyone else here knows perfectly well how this works, because we
- understand the game mechanics
- understand what a Farragut class BC is capable of.

Yes I want proof as if people are cheating they need outing, but just saying a person is a cheat is not proof at all.

I know how the game works, its just a shame that all of you are too happy to call 4000 possible players as cheats instead of thinking that it may be very hard to tank and do what you are stating, unless you are doing this yourself.

Pointless posting when you call everybody a cheat. How many people exploited seeking Luxuries and did that without being called a cheat. oh well back to the game.

 

[Quineloe]

You're the only one throwing the cheating nomination out here as far as I can see. Everyone else just calls it what it is: Too good to be true.

 

[fademist]

still on this lol;p

 

[Mr Duffo]

For the Federation!

Honenstly I dont go those zones anymore either cap ship kills all the targets too fast I dont even have time to or sounds goes messed up with all the turrets.

 

[Kondensat]

i think i will the first time ignore a user here.....this guy is not worth reading

 

[HipToss]

Would the Vulture fair well in this situation or is it Python or Anaconda?

 

[Quineloe]

Would the Vulture fair well in this situation or is it Python or Anaconda?

Possibly with enough boosters if you downsize to small turrets to save power

 

[Macgyver]

This is ridiculous and whoever started this rumor is a troll.
i have tested this several times and always come back to ship destroyed screen.
i have an A grade vulture
i have found every nook and crevice to allow ship protection, still ship is destroyed.

so if anyone wants to try this in an Anoconda be my guest.

eventually your turrets will clip the carrier and it will go hostile or you will get the rare spawn of 3 Anocondas attacking you while the carrier is busy killing something else.

AFK farming for 15 mill ......lol total rubbish.

 

[Morbad]

4 pips to SYS and 2 to WEP will keep a D5 shield + 2 booster Vulture alive forever, barring the rare fluke, even if you park it in an exposed area.

No clipping the capital ship here, though it's possible the turret will eventually hit enough fighters enough times to cause issues:

i have found every nook and crevice to allow ship protection, still ship is destroyed.

Did you clear the area first?

After the first wave or two, they come in 3-6 at a time over a rather protracted period, and should be quite manageable for the cap ship and the NPC fighters.

 

[HipToss]

4 pips to SYS and 2 to WEP will keep a D5 shield + 2 booster Vulture alive forever, barring the rare fluke, even if you park it in an exposed area.

No clipping the capital ship here, though it's possible the turret will eventually hit enough fighters enough times to cause issues:
http://i.imgur.com/ZBPrLXX.jpg



Did you clear the area first?

After the first wave or two, they come in 3-6 at a time over a rather protracted period, and should be quite manageable for the cap ship and the NPC fighters.

Where are you in relation to the cap ship?

 

[Kaeldian]

AFK on the cap ship? Yah, good luck getting money doing that. You have to tag your targets to get the combat bond credit. And even then, the whole encounter seems to have coding in place to target the player specifically once they start to approach 750k+ in uncashed bonds. At about 800k, the instance starts spawning Vultures that target you specifically, and Vipers are always trying to draw you away from the capital ship.

To sit there and act like we're cheating in some way is just stupid.

 

[Morbad]

Where are you in relation to the cap ship?

I thought the image was pretty clear...I landed directly on top of it's highest point.

You have to tag your targets to get the combat bond credit.

Do you know what a turret set to "fire at will" does?

Laser turret, which can fire endlessly with two pips, hits them once or twice before they pop and I get credit.

And even then, the whole encounter seems to have coding in place to target the player specifically once they start to approach 750k+ in uncashed bonds. At about 800k, the instance starts spawning Vultures that target you specifically, and Vipers are always trying to draw you away from the capital ship.

Irrelevant. There aren't enough of them relative to the federals, and in a populated instance, the odds of any given wave surviving long enough to more than dent your shields is virtually non-existent. Obviously, one who is afk, or not interested in moving, while parked on the capital ship, cannot be drawn away.

I eventually did have to move, but only because I had to chase away a CMDR Clipper with my good laser:

 

[Bewilderbeest]

AFK on the cap ship? Yah, good luck getting money doing that. You have to tag your targets to get the combat bond credit. And even then, the whole encounter seems to have coding in place to target the player specifically once they start to approach 750k+ in uncashed bonds. At about 800k, the instance starts spawning Vultures that target you specifically, and Vipers are always trying to draw you away from the capital ship.

As a counter-point, I've just cashed in a 1.75M CR set of bonds, and I had nothing of the experience you just described. If a spawning wave of enemies did target me, it was because I was the closest ship to their spawn point, otherwise I think I was pretty much left alone.

 

[Kaeldian]

Okay, so you're basically targetting specific type of person using a specific type of ship with turretted weapons This is not something you can do in a small ship, but a larger ship can probably pull it off.

But probably not as widespread as you are making it out to be.

My cobra definitely would not pull this off as the moment the vultures start spawning, I actually have to work to not get chased out, even as i use the capital ship for cover. These things spawn in waves and the capital ship seems to like to go after the eagles first (probably because they're spawning closer or getting in range first)

And to be fair, my data pool is kind of small at the moment, I plan on looking into it further tonight and tomorrow to see if it's consistant. But so far, 700k or so, I start seeing Vultures with Viper wings targetting me specifically (might be a thing with solo players only as well)