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They will, even though recent Dev posts have said things are not going to change, I don't quite see it as whining, more like some people trying to change the game because they don't understand why FD made it this way and they didn't understand what they were buying into, and others that did and are pretty happy with what they have (ok we know a lot more is needed, but that's another topic, or 386 threads
).I think somewhere in this thread it was at least hinted at, that this thread was the merge target for the similar ones, mainly, because more recently, there had been a flurry of great new ways to fix the game to eliminate imaginary problems, and most involved this subject.
DBOBE & FD have said from the start they are going to make the game they want to play, again I have no hope of finding it but I recall seeing that ~ 10 - 20% of the people playing have a forum account, I was surprised it was so low, I guess most of them don't have a major problem right now, if I did I would look here first, and have done a few times, in fact I joined the forum > 6 months ago as I had a problem getting the game to run.
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+1 Sir, well a virtual one anyway, apparently I need to share a little more first.
I know people have said that this has been debated forever but I really don't remember seeing so many "new threads" about this same old subject back in beta, I am happy to be corrected, I probably spent more time looking at "pulse/burst/beams" or "fixed vs gimbals", so I might have missed them.
It seems like a more recent problem, to me at least.
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They will, even though recent Dev posts have said things are not going to change, I don't quite see it as whining, more like some people trying to change the game because they don't understand why FD made it this way and they didn't understand what they were buying into, and others that did and are pretty happy with what they have (ok we know a lot more is needed, but that's another topic, or 386 threads
I think somewhere in this thread it was at least hinted at, that this thread was the merge target for the similar ones, mainly, because more recently, there had been a flurry of great new ways to fix the game to eliminate imaginary problems, and most involved this subject.
DBOBE & FD have said from the start they are going to make the game they want to play, again I have no hope of finding it but I recall seeing that ~ 10 - 20% of the people playing have a forum account, I was surprised it was so low, I guess most of them don't have a major problem right now, if I did I would look here first, and have done a few times, in fact I joined the forum > 6 months ago as I had a problem getting the game to run.
Quite honestly even if it was an old debate there has been a large influx of players since launch. A lot come from MMOs and other multiplayer games. (I come from Planetside 2 as my main multiplayer game). To say that the issue of Open Vs Solo is done and dusted is rubbish. The more multiplayer inclined players that come into the game, the more they realise their actions and the games progression is being stunted because of the solo mode (and outside of opens influence). I only see this thread getting more popular.
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A few dozen people, repeatedly starting new threads about the same thing must give mods migraines, whack a mole, trying to moderate even 10 current threads about the same thing must be a pain.
They are things that have been discussed to death, dissected in many ways and quotes from the devs saying its not going to change, and again I bet within a few days (and I am being conservative here) there will be a new thread merged in here, because the OP had a great new Idea to make the game better, something never before thought about before, well apart from page 3, 12,19, 49, 108,173, 189, 206, 217, 218, 243, 257 & 301 where the previous "new ideas" got discussed.
Open and Solo is done and dusted, Devs have stated there are no plans to change the current implementation. The more multiplayer inclined players that come into the game, the more they realize that their actions need to be modulated to fit the game, and that their progression is being stunted because of their inability to modify their behavior or thought processes, and solo mode has nothing to do with that. I only see this thread getting longer.
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You say that now... give it a few months...
If I wanted my behaviour and thought processes changed - I would go for cognitive behavioural therapy.
I've been saying it for years. And those who won't accept their behavior or thought processes must change to meet the specifics of whichever situation or environment they want to partake in - well, there are places for those people. Wether it's the bad side of someones ignore list, barred from a pub, or prison - is entirely up to them.
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You can't be serious. You're associating people that like the open mode to people that require barring from pub, or prison.
Get a grip.
Perhaps you need the cognitive behavioural therapy to change your behaviour and thought processes.
I'm perfectly serious - and I said nothing of the sort. How you come to that conclusion is up to you, matters not to me.
I paid my money > 6 months ago, £100 of it and I will be really upset if the game gets changed because of a bunch of people that did no research before buying it.
I agree its about money, I paid mine on the basis of what I saw at the time & what FD have said they will do, I already bought my expansions in advance, they have my money based on what I researched and bought, strange as you may find it the fact its not changed months after launch makes me think its not changing (oh yeah & the dev quotes).
PS its not a problem, its a core feature of the game.
I recently got an Asp, I played in open from PB1 to mid gamma (I am considering spending a bit more time in open when I have more insurance), I have never attacked a player (well at freeport with consent, don't count when you are asking can I fight you? in beta, its the open players grinding in solo you need to fear, the solo's, Mobius, RP groups are all happy doing their thing, not looking to PK people.
Until I see some people, well quite a few as I think we have ~ 300k players, being able to prove that they got PK by someone who got their ship in solo & then when griefing in open its not a big issue, I am sure there are some out there that might do that (I might have flown with no shields in a free sidey, to try to get a better BB delivery job but not in anything that cost more than zero), I would rather have shields than a few more tons.
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You have definitively compared people that want Open seperate from Solo as bad people. You put them in the same bracket as people barred from pubs or criminals.
How much will the imaginary solo player in their "pimped out python or anaconda?" lose each time a pilot (or two, or four, don't forget in solo would have never fought a PVP wing) lose each time he tried to gank someone, that could get very expensive, very quickly.
There is also the "griefers hell" that FD can send them to, their own instance, no need to change the game the solution has already been stated.
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In a pimped up anaconda, that's gonna get real expensive, real quick.
Most of us though would just rather play for fun, how and when we want to.
No, he said those that cannot adjust to their current situation either need help or locking up.
The comparison is - if you bought ED thinking it was one thing, then found out that it is not what you thought - either adjust or give up.
(If I'm understanding it correctly)
As for what ED is, this opens the way for my reminder of the information people didn't read before buying...
If folks researched the game BEFORE buying it - this thread would not be here.
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Thats the problem. "The current situation" is different than set out in Kickstarter/alpha. The game has changed its target audience. The game through Wings and with the Xbox One edition on the way is appealing to a different bunch of players than before release. Frontier have a choice, continue on with the status quo or appeal to the new demographic. This thread is going to continue to get added to whether you like it or not as the multiplayer people are already here and will continue appearing.
I really can't see the game changing due to new players misconceptions, I am sure a lot of them are familiar with google, youtube & forums.
It's been part of the game from the start, here at launch & still here today, and on top of that recently confirmed by Devs its not changing, I know what I would put my money on (well I did already).
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Or decent fines for PKing (not pirating accidents) would also work, like the sticky "I am a mass murder" tag idea that you can't pay off and be clean in 5 minutes.
If I wanted a different game, I would have bought it instead of ED.
It's not really a problem. Problematic players will be dealt with by people who do not wish to deal with problematic players, one way or another - even if it's as simple as logging on to Solo to do business at a known "blockaded" area claimed by some pew-pews. The pew-pew crew don't like that of course, but it's not for them to determine game development. There is nothing wrong with multiplayer, Mobius has 6k+ peeps happily enjoying multiplayer with no annoying players, so they must be doing something right.
The perceived problem, if any, is those who whine about those players not available for them to shoot at, for whichever reason.
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What has the "multiplayer people" got to do with anything? They can play in private groups or the public group - the game, is all ready set up for them and the "new demographic".
Nothing from the list of information I have posted (some of it 2 years old now) has actually changed. They made improvements to multi (aka wings) - which was asked for (by the PC players no less).
What they are not doing, is removing the modes and forcing open play (which is what this thread is about and has been since the start)
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When I say multiplayer people I am obviously referring to Open people (group sits in a grey area) - as this is the Open Vs Solo Vs Group thread - there are no multiplayer people in solo.
Nor am I for removing Solo. I like solo but it should remain seperate from Open.
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