Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[DaggerSnake]

It's how most games work. It works. They didn't solve any problems here, they just created new ones.

I agree with you Bigcheese. I know this is a circular topic though. It's not really about choices or restrictions, just fair game play across the board for open and solo. I love playing in SOLO when I want to just relax and shoot NPC's and I love playing in OPEN when I want to hang with friends or be social. However, I think these should be different CMDR's and not affect each other.

Top 5 player bounties are recorded and displayed in system new feeds. Is this for NPC bounty hunters? I don't think so. So you hunt down one of these guys, tell him he's a wanted man and you are here to collect and then proceed to take him down. He drops into SOLO. It happens, I've seen it. Total waste of time.

On the other side, my workmate is very proud of grinding in SOLO for his big ships then going into OPEN and attacking players. If the tables turn on him, he drops back to solo. I even chased him down and he got into a station. He messaged me that he had fun but was going to SOLO because he didn't want to loose his ship and he wanted to keep his bounty high...go figure.

I'm sure these points have been beaten to death...just threw my two cents in.

I love options. I want both game modes. Having them cross over created new problems.

 

[Joe Spivey]

It's really odd and yes, bit unfair design decision that Open and Solo are same universe, that you can criss cross as you like between them... I wonder if solo players had something to do with whole Lugh - Crimson State Group situation not leading anywhere... We'll of course never know, since FD wont tell us.

IMHO solo/group should be separated from open. Separate all player assets and universes/economies. If you wanna play single player or pve, sure go ahead. At least then you cannot abuse the system so that you make 7million per hour in trading safe in solo, from which you can jump to open with your assets and grief other players with your high cost pimped out ships.

Fortunately, your opinion on this matter counts for nothing. I refer you to page one, post one of this thread. Once you have read that, amble through the rest of the thread to find out why your opinion is ill thought out and basically nonsense.

 

[SzaryWilk]

PvE groups are I-Win buttons in combat zones. It is very unfair allowing to play in solo or pve in global community goals where we have faction vs faction and players decide who win.

I play in open mode, fight with everyone, npc or commanders, often this is 1vs2 or 2vs3, sometimes i die and loose my ship. I am fighting, gaining a points for my faction.. it is hard but satisfactioning and there is a lot of FUN, and ... wait... there is some group of people who taking down every npc with their gimballed multicannons, much faster than me, because they 'do not waste a time to fight with cmdrs', drinking a tea with shooting, in solo and pve, and me and my faction do not have chances to complete community goal and win the war.

This is completely ridiculous and nonsense.

Example: Lugh.

Another example - transport community goal - there is no option to make a blockade in system for transport sources in other faction... because transporters will go to pve or solo...

Another reason for this to separate Solo from Multi.......must be separate accounts. Frontier needs to do that, to make the game fair.

 

[Glock_N_Load]

All of this is sooooooooooooooo freaking funny. It's a game people. Adapt or quit. FD doesn't offer refunds. If it were to die today, I have got my moneys worth. At a dime an hour it would cover my investment. They talk about going solo and grinding out a pot full of money then taking it back to open. So, a bigger ship to shoot down. I wonder if the SC group will complain when players apply their credit cards to get the goodies. It's a game

 

[Phosphora]

I read and fully understand you perspective, I'm still convinced that (with a bit of tweeking) you should be able to get the type of game that YOU want in Open mode, no-one should force you out into dangerous systems if you don't want to go, All FD have to do is make sure that core systems around the federation and empire have safe, we policed trade routes and solo mode becommes completely unnecessary.....

I am absolutely certain that without any tweaking I already have the type of game that I want. I will stay in group as long as I like.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Hrafgeir]

Fortunately, your opinion on this matter counts for nothing. I refer you to page one, post one of this thread. Once you have read that, amble through the rest of the thread to find out why your opinion is ill thought out and basically nonsense.

It'll never happen, people will continue to whine for their favoured playstyle regardless.

At least FD had the sense to make one forum topic to dump all these in.

 

[Lucifer Hate]

Another reason for this to separate Solo from Multi.......must be separate accounts. Frontier needs to do that, to make the game fair.

When I made a complaint to support about this balance issue they said to post it on the forums so the devs would see it. I had already done that but before a dev could have seen it a mod moved it in here to this megathread where I doubt a dev is gonna see it. It seems obvious to me if Frontier support tells people to post issues like this then mods should not be using megathreads like this as a dumping ground. Issues like the unfairness of the open vs solo/group like I posted got lost because of it being moved. Hopefully support and the powers that be will look at what mods are doing here

 

[fademist]

and after many mods fd posts that wont change the groups the debate continues...

 

[Jorlin]

and after many mods fd posts that wont change the groups the debate continues...

there are debates in the world running for more than thousand years... so don't expect this to end soon

 

[Ahriakin]

So many people painfully obsessed with how others are playing their game. Has it occurred to any of you that maybe the folks playing Solo just don't want you in their universe? That it's not fear, or a lack of skills or sense of adventure etc. you are just totally irrelevant to their enjoyment of the ED universe. Since they are apparently vitally important to yours then I'm guessing that thought hasn't entered your head at all.
Debate all you want, there are people playing all 3 modes because that is what they want from the game and you will not change this. Regardless of the pompous conceit evident in this thread no one is better or worse than the other since we all paid for our copies and play within the rules FD have laid out for this universe. Do you really get so little out of your own game that you have to believe it's being ruined by which domain a complete stranger chooses to play in?
Wow....seriously just a big sad 'wow'.

 

[Bigcheese]

I agree with you Bigcheese. I know this is a circular topic though. It's not really about choices or restrictions, just fair game play across the board for open and solo. I love playing in SOLO when I want to just relax and shoot NPC's and I love playing in OPEN when I want to hang with friends or be social. However, I think these should be different CMDR's and not affect each other.

Top 5 player bounties are recorded and displayed in system new feeds. Is this for NPC bounty hunters? I don't think so. So you hunt down one of these guys, tell him he's a wanted man and you are here to collect and then proceed to take him down. He drops into SOLO. It happens, I've seen it. Total waste of time.

On the other side, my workmate is very proud of grinding in SOLO for his big ships then going into OPEN and attacking players. If the tables turn on him, he drops back to solo. I even chased him down and he got into a station. He messaged me that he had fun but was going to SOLO because he didn't want to loose his ship and he wanted to keep his bounty high...go figure.

I'm sure these points have been beaten to death...just threw my two cents in.

I love options. I want both game modes. Having them cross over created new problems.

Yep. A lot is lost and nothing is gained. This one decision really limited the scope of the game and the things people do in it. Not a lot of problems to worry about with ghost mode available, so much strategy lost. =/

So many people painfully obsessed with how others are playing their game. Has it occurred to any of you that maybe the folks playing Solo just don't want you in their universe?

Then why would they need to join it? Come on man, use your head. Nobody wants solo removed.

 

[Pomerlaw]

All of this is sooooooooooooooo freaking funny. It's a game people. Adapt or quit. FD doesn't offer refunds. If it were to die today, I have got my moneys worth. At a dime an hour it would cover my investment. They talk about going solo and grinding out a pot full of money then taking it back to open. So, a bigger ship to shoot down. I wonder if the SC group will complain when players apply their credit cards to get the goodies. It's a game

hahahaha yep

 

[DaveB]

and after many mods fd posts that wont change the groups the debate continues...

You would be correct if it were a debate. It is no longer a debate, it's a settled issue that some people don't like. Therefore we have this threadnaught where all of the posts of "The game should be like this (even though I know it won't be)" can be moved to improve the signal to noise ratio of the rest of the forum - because at this stage that's all it is. Noise.

This is the cleanest solution the mods could have come up with. Those that are newly inspired that "hey it should be like this" get to see the monster thread and realize that it's not a new thing and has already been thoroughly dealt with while those who already know it's a done deal but think somehow by saying it should be otherwise over and over again it will make a difference don't get to disrupt the rest of the forum with it.

They could have been much more draconian and just put a closed sticky up there saying "Posts advocating against mode switching or objecting to the shared universe between the games three modes will be deleted without mercy. Repeat posters, particularly in threads where it is OT will receive infractions" but they didn't do that - they just gathered them all together in one spot.

 

[Bigcheese]

This is the cleanest solution the mods could have come up with.

To a clearly significant issue. It's so bad they have to move it all so it doesn't clog up the forum.

That says a lot.

 

[Alpha087]

so we all have equall chances to decide which faction will rule in system

You are equally capable of switching to private or solo. This game was never​ advertised as a PvP-centric game.

 

[Lenroc elisav]

So many people painfully obsessed with how others are playing their game. Has it occurred to any of you that maybe the folks playing Solo just don't want you in their universe? That it's not fear, or a lack of skills or sense of adventure etc. you are just totally irrelevant to their enjoyment of the ED universe. Since they are apparently vitally important to yours then I'm guessing that thought hasn't entered your head at all.
Debate all you want, there are people playing all 3 modes because that is what they want from the game and you will not change this. Regardless of the pompous conceit evident in this thread no one is better or worse than the other since we all paid for our copies and play within the rules FD have laid out for this universe. Do you really get so little out of your own game that you have to believe it's being ruined by which domain a complete stranger chooses to play in?
Wow....seriously just a big sad 'wow'.

The problem we all see is that what you do in game impacts my game while you ain't in it. Has that occurred to you? There is no right or wrong here, there is only FD and their design choice and people may like those or not but that doesn't give you the right to belittle people.
Next time just post your contempt in solo mode please !

 

[Antmax]

I like it just the way it is. Don't have the time to play multiple commanders and just like in real life, there is always someone bigger, faster, stronger or just plain better than you. And there are always going to be more experienced players or those with more resources, deeper pockets to dig into. That's life. Some people are born into wealthy families and don't have to work if they don't want to. Some games let you pay to win.

The selfrighteous sense of entitlement so many have on this thread is funny. For many of us, maybe the majority it's not even a competitive game.

 

[Norwyn]

Fortunately, your opinion on this matter counts for nothing. I refer you to page one, post one of this thread. Once you have read that, amble through the rest of the thread to find out why your opinion is ill thought out and basically nonsense.

Sounds to me that you indirectly admit abusing criscrossing...

Michael may say what their current intentions are, but if some day this system abuse becomes really big problem(if it's not already), open full of 'solo-trader,open-griefers' and FD does have to do something about it to keep their multiplayer sandbox alive, I will be there to say 'I told you so'. In the end it's all about what makes money.

 

[ianw]

Sounds to me that you indirectly admit abusing criscrossing...

Michael may say what their current intentions are, but if some day this system abuse becomes really big problem(if it's not already), open full of 'solo-trader,open-griefers' and FD does have to do something about it to keep their multiplayer sandbox alive, I will be there to say 'I told you so'. In the end it's all about what makes money.

Well all they have to do is deal with "griefers" then. Which they have to do anyway.

 

[PhazonAran]

If they make separate accounts for Open and Solo/Groups, I think FD should make the players radar icon the same as the NPC.