second time i hear it. trade boni in open... quote?
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second time i hear it. trade boni in open... quote?
Part of my academic interest is AI development. Scripts are not AI. The best we have are expert systems, like the ones used by weather services to write reports, or assist doctors with diagnoses. They can play chess or Jeopardy really well, but move one inch away from their field and they become as dumb as bricks.
We'll get there. But not yet, and not in a game.
Also, tactics is a complex issue. It requires not only communication, but also planning. Scripts can't plan.
As I said, this is more of an issue with ship disparity that the skill of your friend. Give him money for a better ship if he's really that unlucky. I fly a Vulture, and I eat Elite Anacondas for breakfast - and I'm not that good of a pilot either. Don't even use FA off. They can't even drop my shields. Used to hunt the same in my Cobra even and relied on dual shield cells to facetank them. If I tried that with a player Anaconda...
And I would die like a dog if I tried that in a Sidewinder or an Eagle. NPCs are not difficult, getting burned by an Anaconda or a Python when you're in a Sidey is not indicative of NPC difficulty.
And once again, I'm not talking about solo vs open in general, but in the context of opposing game goals. Try going to a warzone in Lugh in Open, see how long it takes until a red player comes along (declare as Crimson, we're outnumbered!
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Repped. I'm an open mode player, but its very nice to see someone who appreciates the viewpoint of the "other side" of this debate and is willing to compromise. Calling people cheaters or demanding unrealistic concessions (given the userbase of the game) like completely cutting off solo players from community goals is not going to achieve anything.
Having solo/private group players be able to participate in the community goals and earn credits but not be counted towards the outcome (and there could be ways to make this less obvious to the casual player) is a perfectly acceptable compromise to me. I'd even be able to live with a system that tracks goals separately for solo/private group and open and then weights the outcome in such a way that if one side dominates open, they will win regardless of what happens in solo, but if open is close then what happens in solo could decide the outcome. I'm thinking a 70-30 weighting or something around that range.
Interesting. I've already run a trade route through Lave. Multiple times. In Solo, and Open. I've sometimes been interdicted by players who killed me. I've sometimes been interdicted by players who I've then killed. I've also been interdicted by NPCs who then killed me, and also been interdicted by NPCs who I've then killed.
In other words, I've already done what I need to do in order to believe you - and still don't.
As such, my conclusion is you are simply 100%, absolutely, completely and totally WRONG.
EDIT: And it is interesting that you're moving the goalposts. You were originally saying that, even if NPCs and players were equally difficult, Open would still be harder because there are NPCs and players. You responded to me pointing out the fallacy of this by trying to argue that players are actually more difficult than NPCs.
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Ya no sympathy for him on that one. I stick to open and the only time I've seen solo with a legitimate unfair advantage is grinding out combat bonds for the dueling community goals. That is a massive problem when considering it has the potential to ruin other peoples work.
I don't play open because I don't like killing other players and potentially upsetting their day. There are better games for pvp like war thunder where you get rewarded for skill and coop on a per hit, crit and kill and teamwork basis. And no one really loses anything. Even if you lose you get rewards you can spend too improve your planes and crews.
It's not about being afraid of challenge either because i play arcade with joystick which is exponentially harder than mouse aim with its 21st century fly by wire computer pilot that does most of the work for you.
A lot of people playing this game don't play for competition but for a mix of space sim and coop.
Only time i go into open is to play with my old war thunder joystick bar-stewards squadron members who play open exclusively and aren't members of the mobius group.
Lots of people out there play the same way i do and mostly ignore community play.
It's not about being afraid of challenge either because i play arcade with joystick which is exponentially harder than mouse aim with its 21st century fly by wire computer pilot that does most of the work for you.
A lot of people playing this game don't play for competition but for a mix of space sim and coop.
Only time i go into open is to play with my old war thunder joystick bar-stewards squadron members who play open exclusively and aren't members of the mobius group.
Lots of people out there play the same way i do and mostly ignore community play.
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I reckon you need to read someone's post in full before you go all gung ho on them, matie.
I'll just point out the last bit I wrote which pretty much shoots down all you've said against my comment: "but then again is it really fair to penalise those who just want to play alone? Yeah, some probably take advantage of the safety and jump into open when they want to PvP but i'd say a lot just want to play alone and be left alone entirely."
...you might get exactly the same experience, find it harder, or even find it easier. This is the point you keep missing. Repeatedly. You seem to be saying that the absolute worst, most incapable, most incompetent player pilot that has ever had the misfortune of (virtually) clambering into the cockpit of a Sidewinder is better than the best NPC pilot in the most kitted-out and powerful ship in the game. And that is simply not true.
I might be able to do 65-35. Let me go check with my manager.
Now that's a way to come closer...
Seriously, there are things that are not debatable in my opinion... but this special case doesn't count to them.
But it's not in our hands to make a deal, it's the decision of the developers.
And so, i'm afraid, it will continue as a war of "who is shouting louder".
What ya say we forget about the NPC vs Real Person Player thing just for a bit.
Coming from, "EvE" personally, i would like to say in my opinion that CCP did a complete disservice to MMO.s everywhere. I understand that you like that way of doing things, but you have to try, (not being condensing, I'm asking you to actually make an effort) to understand the Frontier's desire to make is possible for everyone to choose how they like to play, and enjoy them selves in a way they like. Not in a way you like.
I simply choose not to be stalked by you, or players like you. !0+ years of EvE, well I'm kinda burned out on all that, I can see your not though. It's kinda sad you can't find something you really like about this really cool game.
But if you really feel the need to change things, try to focus on things that aren't associated with the mode switching, as that, in my opinion, will never change. Focus on giving positive feed back to the DEV's and not just insulting them over and over again. Good luck to ya!
PS, out of a world full of art work, why you're choosing to hold on to that damned EvE avatar! Set yourself free my son, get a really cool pict. Before you get all offended, try to remember were all friends here, and this is just some friendly feed back.
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Yeah, well if you knew anything about me I might actually consider your feedback. As it is, you are feedbacking on nothing but your own imagination.
You know my total player kill count since Premium Beta in this game? Two.
Yeah, two ships. Both in warzones. Oooh, what a bloodthirsty killer I am, totally hooked on blowing up players left and right and bathing in their tears of rage. I actually spend most of my time either hunting for good deals in the market or hunting fat NPC bounties. Might have tried hunting for player pirates, but with most of those listed on the boards being in solo, not much point to that.
Solo kill counts in EvE? One. And that's in five-six years I've played the game. Most success I had in the game was amassing billions doing station trading. That's PvP with lots of spreadsheets and a calculator involved.
My avatar is a relic of good times I had roleplaying a freedom fighter in EvE. That's why I keep it. Plus, looks badass.
As I said to others, I am not interested in your fears, or reasons you play solo, nor your ideas as to why I say what I say. Play solo all you want. I don't care. But do not mess with my game. Stay in solo and mind your own business.
What we want out of Open, is a fair game. We do not want to deal with mode hoppers, with ghosters or combat loggers. And if FD wants to have competing community goals, they should at least make an effort that it is a fair contest.
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Not moving the goal posts as being forced into the debate if NPCs are as difficult as players are. It is a ridiculous debate, but I have to do it, since it is used as a counter argument to my original one.
Dunno. Maybe I am really that good, a god of war in disguise, unaware of his own incredible skill. I mean, I kill Elite Anacondas without having my shields broken in a Vulture, and that's without cells. It surely can't be that you all who keep dying to NPCs do so because you fly crappy ships and I fly a pimped out killing machine. It must be all down to skill. I understand now. All this time NPCs were dying to me, I have literally never died to an NPC and I thought that's because they're a pushover.
Only one thing bothering me... in warzones, I kill and kill and kill NPCs for hours on end. Everything from an Eagle to Anaconda gets vaporized without even scratching me.
Then a couple of players show up and instead of blowing them apart like the 500 NPCs before them, I have to run with 27% hull left. Weird. If I'm a god of war, what are they?
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Please, please, learn how instancing works. Learn to recognise the limits of a P2P networking model, where clients are first instance arbitrators. Learn the limits of internet connections, work out why UDP is used and not TCP, and factor in varying linerates and individual connection favourability.
It's not an easy task - and what you would like the game to be is simply not what the game is - due to the above factors, and many, many more. FD did what they could, but without an absolutely massive server-based infrastructure (very expensive), what you want simply cannot happen. I cannot stress that enough.
when open special ppl start pay more than the solo/private ppl would have the point to whine about the fair chances...
No need to stress that to me, I am fully aware of the limitations of the P2P model and why combat logging is here to stay, despite FD "working on it".
But mode hopping doesn't have to stay. That has nothing to do with P2P networking.
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Precisely because we all paid the same for this game do we deserve equal rights. If anyone has a special treatment, its solo players.
it has to stay because it's a core element of the game design.
as much as you dislike it, it is there to stay.
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