Did you agree to in-game advertising?

[SeregDuin]

I think it is a good idea. I was wondering how the game was going to keep bringing in enough money to keep game play free once everyone who is going to buy it has ( and yes I know about future expansions). Advertising is a great way to keep play free..but it really needs to appear to be relevant within the game and not obtrusive.

 

[Shadow_Frost]

I am all for product placement in game as long as it's an option. A Coke space station? Neat. An option to get a skin that has the McDonald's logo on it? Game on. I'm not paying for the server so if they stick some product stuff in game to keep it rolling, I'm all game for it

 

[TheLastCall]

I have no problem with advertisement in game, anything that keeps the game alive for as long as possible.

 

[Fen Harel]

There are a number of things about Elite that need adjustment, attention and, in some cases, just plain fixing. Compared to all of that, this NVidia contest doesn't seem worth worrying about. Either look for the item and win the contest or ignore the whole thing.

 

[Blastbeats]

I didn't answer your poll because there should be a 3rd option to your poll: Don't care either way. Because honestly, I don't.

 

[obliterator]

The answer doesn't matter. It's irrelevant if you agree or not.

The question should be "are you in favor of in-game advertising".

EULA Doesn't apply to Kickstarter backers. It's trying to alter the sale after the fact, and you can't do that. There was no EULA in the kickstarter, and no mention that there would be.

You accept the EULA when you install the game, not when you pay for it, so it applies to everyone.

 

[Jreyy Randor]

I didn't "agree" to ads, but they do pay the bills.

 

[jmg]

A previous version of the EULA did have the buyer agree to recieve in-game advertising but no advertising is allowed by the current EULA as far as I see.

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That's because its an End *USER* license agreement. It defines what you are allowed to do, in return for them granting you a license, which is set forth in the grant-- in other words, they give you a license to use the game, subject to the limitations on YOUR use set forth in the EULA.

Grant and Scope of Licence

2.1 Subject to your compliance with the terms of this EULA, we grant you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, non-sublicensable, revocable, limited licence to use the Game. You are permitted to:
(a) load the Game into and Use it on a single device which is under your custody and control and which meets the specifications referred to in the manual for your own private and domestic Use;
(b) transfer the Game from one such device to another; provided the Game is Used on only one device at any one time and any device on which it is Used is under your custody and control at the time of Use.
2.2 All rights not expressly granted hereunder are, to the extent permitted by law, reserved to Frontier and its licensors. Your rights of use under this EULA are strictly conditional upon your observance of the terms and conditions contained in this EULA at all times.

 

[ffr]

There are a number of things about Elite that need adjustment, attention and, in some cases, just plain fixing. Compared to all of that, this NVidia contest doesn't seem worth worrying about.

Evidently FD disagrees, delivering the contest and not the fixes.

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I didn't answer your poll because there should be a 3rd option to your poll: Don't care either way. Because honestly, I don't.

If you don't care then just don't vote.

 

[Traven Mayhem]

it's called revenue, and more of it means more game.

this is not a fight worth fighting OP, move on.

 

[SlickReed]

What kind of advertising? in game products for the sake of RPing? Heck yes!

 

[ffr]

That's because its an End *USER* license agreement. It defines what you are allowed to do, in return for them granting you a license, which is set forth in the grant-- in other words, they give you a license to use the game, subject to the limitations on YOUR use set forth in the EULA.

So how come the EULA expressly permitted Frontier to include in-game advertising until people complained and it was changed soon after launch?

 

[jmg]

So how come the EULA expressly permitted Frontier to include in-game advertising until people complained and it was changed soon after launch?

They probably realized they didn't need to include it and took it out. The game is what the game is. If they had to list everything that they were allowed to do, it would be a thousand page document.

 

[XYZ]

A sample of the new in-game advertising is here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=130574

A previous version of the EULA did have the buyer agree to recieve in-game advertising but no advertising is allowed by the current EULA as far as I see.

https://store.elitedangerous.com/ed-eula/

ELITE: DANGEROUS EULA AND TERMS OF USE


Elite: Dangerous End User Licence Agreement
IMPORTANT NOTICES:
If you buy, download, use, access, or play (“Use”) the Elite: Dang................................

Nice but this is not the problem about law , the thing is that creators of Elite Dangerous want (and create structure of this game) for this game to be kind of RPG in space and puting NVidia in GalNet heh they can put as well Obama or Facebook .... Simply actions like that are against core idea of rpg games.


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To be uderstand well ok they can put adv like that but they should not expect that we will create this world , we cant if we cant feel like in rpg, if they want to put adv, they need to create more content coz whole this game will have no point. We will be not as commited while we will have toyota adv in galnet.

Silly thing is that they could do this and put adv in launcher not galnet and there will be no problem

 

[ffr]

The game is what the game is.

Please consider that thousands of people paid for a game promoted with no mention it would deliver adverts. Then they were forced to play online, allowing adverts. Now it seems adverts are to be pushed to all players with no way to opt-out.

 

[Fen Harel]

Evidently FD disagrees, delivering the contest and not the fixes.

I don't see it as an either/or, I have no way of knowing, but I doubt this contest consumed more a moments times among the developers.

 

[jmg]

Please consider that thousands of people paid for a game promoted with no mention it would deliver adverts. Then they were forced to play online, allowing adverts. Now it seems adverts are to be pushed to all players with no way to opt-out.

I'm setting aside what my opinion is on the topic, and just comment on the EULA.
This is what I do for a living, I've literally written and litigated many of these.. There's nothing in the grant that prohibits adverts, they can include them.

The fact that they had it in a previous agreement and don't in this agreement is largely irrelevant (google parole evidence -- not quite as simple as that, but it gives you the gist.)

 

[Valethar]

Meh. I don't consider it an advertisement. It's a contest. If it were on a holo-board outside the station and in the docking bay, or on the loading screens, etc.. I'd call it an advertisement.

Though given all the butthurt in this thread and some others, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a contest to give away some Boudreaux's.

 

[CaptainKremmen]

it's called revenue, and more of it means more game.

this is not a fight worth fighting OP, move on.

Agreed. Sale of vanity items and in-game advertising are alternative revenue streams to the sale of in-game credits. Give me those over "credits for cash" any day!

I was happy to agree to the EULA when it specifically mentioned in-game advertising. I note it has been rewritten since then.


Please see here for a poll on game revenue alternatives... from January 2013...

Poll: Pay-to-win debate


Please also see here for a poll on in-game advertising... from April 2014...

In-game Advertising?

 

[SpacialKatana]

If it were on a holo-board outside the station and in the docking bay, or on the loading screens, etc.. I'd call it an advertisement. .

Time will tell.