The Crusade: We take on CODE (Video) 3vs3 Battle

[FuegoPantalones]

Go away. Just. Go. Away. Now.

Quit reading. Just. Quit. Reading. Now.

 

[Ydiss]

To my knowledge FDev has not said that using the logoff timer is specifically an exploit, but that other methods - who's names we dare not speak - are exploits. If I'm mistaken on that, then so be it. Personally, regardless of whether or not the log off timer counts as an "exploit" is of little concern to me as there are currently much better, safer, "non-exploity" ways for players to exit combat than relinquishing control of their ship for 15 seconds and hoping everything will be alright on the other end.

Now, whether or not it's intended is irrelevant. I can't play the game FDev intended to make. I won't quibble over whether or not it's a cheap trick; it is. I think I've stated very plainly that it needs to be fixed or altered. FDev has the option of stating plainly that they think it's game breaking/exploiting and that there will be repercussions for those caught doing it. That depends on how serious they believe the issue to be. Until one of those two things happen, all anyone can do is play the game that's been made.

Nah, I doubt it'll result in sanctions. And you do have some valid points. But I see no reason to use it if you care about being a better player.

 

[Globusdiablo]

To my knowledge FDev has not said that using the logoff timer is specifically an exploit, but that other methods - who's names we dare not speak - are exploits. If I'm mistaken on that, then so be it. Personally, regardless of whether or not the log off timer counts as an "exploit" is of little concern to me as there are currently much better, safer, "non-exploity" ways for players to exit combat than relinquishing control of their ship for 15 seconds and hoping everything will be alright on the other end.

Now, whether or not it's intended is irrelevant. I can't play the game FDev intended to make. I won't quibble over whether or not it's a cheap trick; it is. I think I've stated very plainly that it needs to be fixed or altered. FDev has the option of stating plainly that they think it's game breaking/exploiting and that there will be repercussions for those caught doing it. That depends on how serious they believe the issue to be. Until one of those two things happen, all anyone can do is play the game that's been made.

And yet you still post.

I can't imagine anyone here even reads your posts anymore, let alone takes them seriously. Please do yourself and CODE a favour and stop posting.

 

[hawkenfox]

To my knowledge FDev has not said that using the logoff timer is specifically an exploit, but that other methods - who's names we dare not speak - are exploits. If I'm mistaken on that, then so be it. Personally, regardless of whether or not the log off timer counts as an "exploit" is of little concern to me as there are currently much better, safer, "non-exploity" ways for players to exit combat than relinquishing control of their ship for 15 seconds and hoping everything will be alright on the other end.

Now, whether or not it's intended is irrelevant. I can't play the game FDev intended to make. I won't quibble over whether or not it's a cheap trick; it is. I think I've stated very plainly that it needs to be fixed or altered. FDev has the option of stating plainly that they think it's game breaking/exploiting and that there will be repercussions for those caught doing it. That depends on how serious they believe the issue to be. Until one of those two things happen, all anyone can do is play the game that's been made.

That sounds much more civilized ... but you see those dudes attacked him in the first part of the video 3 vs 1 and they use that strange mechanics that frontier make.

What we are all about are people with some sense of pride at what they do. But we know we know you are pirates right ... so why talk about it, whose wrong or right

don't matter to a pirate ... pirates don't need friends they kill one another dont they when it comes to gold coins?!


So bite it pirate be all bad ... no one is gonna blame you for being bad ... keep doing it. We'll all just have to smash your ship in when we have the chance XD so

cheers!

 

[FuegoPantalones]

That sounds much more civilized ... but you see those dudes attacked him in the first part of the video 3 vs 1 and they use that strange mechanics that frontier make.

As I said, I respond politely to people who post politely. If you want to talk about how the game works and how it can be improved, then great. If you want to post sanctimonious garbage about "fair fights" and "OMG PIIRATES R BAD" and how sensitive your e-honor is, then I'll respond to that in kind as well.

 

[Traven Mayhem]

To echo Fuego's sentiments above: The only person who cares about your sense of honor is you, so get over yourself.

 

[Lord Lucan Onion Head]

<not worth the bother>

 

[lonewarrior]

still waiting for a publica statement from fdev that says 'don't do this, it's an exploit' .. cuz that's literally all it will take for the code and any other 'honorobru' pvp clan to stop using it. it really is that simple.

and to the two posters above:

1. we're pirates, not PKers. we only kill for valid piracy rp reasons... also please don't lose sight of the fact that you are playing a game where the penalty for loitering is total obliteration. space pixels were designed to have short lifespans.

2. this isn't going to 'sully our good name', and it never well.. please. nobody from code is ever going to lose a wink of sleep over this one. the opinions of player groups that actually matter to us is doing just fine.

I do have a video on youtube showing the message from the moderators, for when I posted this before and they deleted the post with the reasons: don't post exploits or how to do them
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I think that's a pretty good statement and clear to me they are saying it's an exploit
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Everything is there from my original post to the moderators PM telling me not to post exploits

 

[Traven Mayhem]

a private message they shared only with you and psecifically forbade you from sharing with the rest of the community?

myea.. that should probably tell you something.

Lord Lucan: your post is not deserving of a response, so you will not be getting one. sorry.

 

[lonewarrior]

a private message they shared only with you and psecifically forbade you from sharing with the rest of the community?

myea.. that should probably tell you something.

Lord Lucan: your post is not deserving of a response, so you will not be getting one. sorry.

No they said it's against the forum rules to share Moderator PMs on the forums so the rules were in place before this shield regen existed
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Which I'm not sharing, I just mentioned I have a video and there happens to be a youtube link in my signature

 

[Traven Mayhem]

keep making your angry posts on the subject. when fdev decides to address the issue, we'll be listening.

until then, deal with it.

 

[Traven Mayhem]

"fair play" lol. this isn't checkers.

and we've been over why this is 'fair play' --- everyone can do it. unless you're going to pull up the tired old 'it is unfair to solo pilots!' in which case you might as well try to convince me that 'teamworks' is OP and an exploit too.

 

[JeffRyan]

"fair play" lol. this isn't checkers.

and we've been over why this is 'fair play' --- everyone can do it. unless you're going to pull up the tired old 'it is unfair to solo pilots!' in which case you might as well try to convince me that 'teamworks' is OP and an exploit too.

'Fair play' can also mean respecting what's intended. I'm not angry, just amused that people profiting from the exploit make fun of people who don't. The hypocrisy of people who act hard and run to the mods when someone offends them is also funny.

 

[Traven Mayhem]

As others have pointed out: we cannot play the game FD 'intended to give us' -- we can only play the game they have actually given us.

 

[Jezzah]

I do have a video on youtube showing the message from the moderators, for when I posted this before and they deleted the post with the reasons: don't post exploits or how to do them
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I think that's a pretty good statement and clear to me they are saying it's an exploit
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Everything is there from my original post to the moderators PM telling me not to post exploits

Might have missed something in this travesty thread but this message about the "exploit" was a moderators opinion? Or was it a devs opinion? Which is it?

One is some blokes opinion the other would be the opinion from an official developer.

This is all very personal and grudge holding by the OP from the start. Attack the issue the right way not like this.

 

[FuegoPantalones]

Nah, I doubt it'll result in sanctions. And you do have some valid points. But I see no reason to use it if you care about being a better player.

I also doubt it will come to sanctions. For one, that's usually an option of last resort in online games. Especially in circumstances where undesired behavior can result from normal operation unbeknownst to the player. Second, it's better to fix something that's ostensibly broken than it is to tell the user how to work around it, at least whenever possible.

"Better" is entirely subjective in an open-world, sandbox style game such as E. There will always be a better PvP'er than me, a better pirate than me, a better explorer, trader, racer, etc. There are few quantitative metrics to see who does what better that who. No kill:death ratio. No way to track how many interdictions won, or cargo scooped. No official finish line. I do not imply that there should be these sorts of things, either. The criteria for what makes one 'better' at the game is entirely in flux and entirely within the control of the person playing. It's what makes things vibrant and interesting, from piracy to Buckyball Run. Conflict can arise when Player A's definition of 'better' doesn't coincide with Player B's, of course, and forum drama can ensue, but I think it's a worthwhile trade.

 

[JeffRyan]

I also doubt it will come to sanctions. For one, that's usually an option of last resort in online games. Especially in circumstances where undesired behavior can result from normal operation unbeknownst to the player. Second, it's better to fix something that's ostensibly broken than it is to tell the user how to work around it, at least whenever possible.

"Better" is entirely subjective in an open-world, sandbox style game such as E. There will always be a better PvP'er than me, a better pirate than me, a better explorer, trader, racer, etc. There are few quantitative metrics to see who does what better that who. No kill:death ratio. No way to track how many interdictions won, or cargo scooped. No official finish line. I do not imply that there should be these sorts of things, either. The criteria for what makes one 'better' at the game is entirely in flux and entirely within the control of the person playing. It's what makes things vibrant and interesting, from piracy to Buckyball Run. Conflict can arise when Player A's definition of 'better' doesn't coincide with Player B's, of course, and forum drama can ensue, but I think it's a worthwhile trade.

We can actually agree on that.

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As others have pointed out: we cannot play the game FD 'intended to give us' -- we can only play the game they have actually given us.

Some people can and do actually try to play the game as intended. That doesn't mean they're stupid and the drive to do so doesn't merit being mocked.

 

[Traven Mayhem]

I haven't called anybody stupid, or mocked them. I have however been accused of being a) a cheater, b) an exploiter .. with zero supporting evidence except some hearsay about 'a developer told me it was an exploit in a message they won't let me show you'....

 

[FuegoPantalones]

Some people can and do actually try to play the game as intended. That doesn't mean they're stupid and the drive to do so doesn't merit being mocked.

And some people do not try to guess at game play when intentions are not explicitly stated. That doesn't mean they're cheaters, exploiters, or griefers. Not to go all kumbaya on you, here, but if we can at least land on that conciliatory note then there may yet be peace in our time. Or, something...

 

[Jezzah]

I haven't called anybody stupid, or mocked them. I have however been accused of being a) a cheater, b) an exploiter .. with zero supporting evidence except some hearsay about 'a developer told me it was an exploit in a message they won't let me show you'....

This.

There's mocking going on right from the start of this thread by the OP and the rest. Hardly a moderator in sight except in some secret squirrel messages which apparently completely mean FD have ruled on the issue ... or something.