You will always be a Princess to me.
If there weren't so many man childs getting their kicks out of cross dressing. Then it wouldn't such a problem.
Sex, Gender, and (Imperial) Titles
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If there weren't so many man childs getting their kicks out of cross dressing. Then it wouldn't such a problem.
This!
I'd find it really weird if a faction like the Empire, with its pro-slavery stance, was egalitarian and "PC" with respect to gender. It would seem pretty out of character. Then again, there's no reason why a fictional faction in the distant future couldn't be elitist, but not sexist. Or sexist, but not xenophobic. Or xenophobic, but not racist etc...
Maybe in the Empire, these titles aren't male-specific, so a Squire or Knight might not be gender-specific, we just assume they are because they are/were male terms in our present/past cultures?
Well, clearly, mining is not important in the game. So anybody making a fuss about it are participating in "manufactured outrage."
Same with skins. Same with pirate hunting bugs (I don't pirate hunt). Same with any other point of the game I don't consider to be generally important. Actually, it's all a video game - so it's not "important generally" at all!
Over half the population are women. Probably much less than that in the Elite player base, but probably a lot more than the few dozen or so nerds like me highly involved in testing the background simulation. We get a lot of attention, and the background simulation is considered "important."
Pretty sure this was just over looked, as the dev team is pretty overworked. Still should be fixed eventually.
This weird reaction to gender equality in video games is quite disturbing. Not quite "gamer-gate" levels, but reminiscent of it attitudes that lead to it.
It's not just in games, there seems to be another up surge of men versus women all over.
I am shocked to see it here (though why in my mind ED was immune to all the gender arguments, I have no idea) but now I'm half expecting to see people joining a group specifically made for MGTOW and one for Feminists.
Remember, a red pill a day
Topics guaranteed to generate multi page threads that go on and on and on... Python nerfs, offline mode and anything to do with gender.
No matter what you all think about it, I don't think the game would suffer too much were we to get gender specific titles, where appropriate. It is a marvel that such a request should create so much debate, to be frank. Or, to be Francesca.
No matter what you all think about it, I don't think the game would suffer too much were we to get gender specific titles, where appropriate. It is a marvel that such a request should create so much debate, to be frank. Or, to be Francesca.
^This. People get worked up about much less in this game. While this has no gameplay effects that need to be addressed, it's certainly as legitimate a complaint as those wanting new skins and logos for ships. It would also be incredibly easy to implement.
It's not really a shock though, is it. As a species, we form factions and fight over everything. Land. Religions. Politics. Traditions. Morals. Manners. Fashion. Gadgets. Grammar. Spelling!
And this being on the Internet makes it more likely to become contentious - not only does the anonymity tend to make people more outspoken, but you really don't know who you're arguing with.. a 12 year old boy or a 40 year old woman. They could be rich or poor. In real life we probably naturally tend to socialise with like-minded people. But the internet is like a zoo, with all the animals together in the one enclosure.
It doesn't bother me one way or the other if the titles are added, but as said previously it does seem kind of fitting and in-character that the "traditionalist" Empire would have sexist ranks (to our 21st century Earth eyes).
Yeah, but making the game know to change which title is displayed based upon which freely-editable setting you've chosen in the Graphics menu might be tricky and time-consuming to fix for something that's merely a placeholder until real gender differentiation is introduced to the game. Replacing them wholesale with gender-neutral equivalents would likely be relatively simple and quick to implement, and is therefore more likely to actually happen in the short term.
Gender is a permanent setting. It's not a huge task to set up a boolean check, at any rate. Less trivial than replacing them completely. But more trivial than deciding what titles to use instead without totally changing lore.
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It is not. You can't change it while you have a game session up and running, but at any time you can save and exit to main menu, change the setting, then load up your game.
All I'm saying is that the whole system is going to change once we have actual character models to walk around in, so anything that's done now will be a short term fix. Therefore the simpler and quicker to implement a solution is, the more likely that they'll bother to actually implement it instead of saying "it's in the pipeline".
Ah, school day every day.
Whilst I still stand by the rest of my post, I agree with your logic.
Seriously Op, get a life.
'Wait devs, quick, stop all work on developing the game, scrap 1.3, we have more important issues to deal with. It's not only perceived gender differences, we need to work on racial equality too. Oh, and the announcers all sound too white to me, you must be racist using only those people. Wait, why are the voices female? I want male announcers. Oh, and close the game down on Sunday, it's a day of rest. Oh, and so is Saturday. Oh, and Friday for prayers.'
Or just carry on and ignore the creeping PC brigade's intrusion into a GAME.
'Wait devs, quick, stop all work on developing the game, scrap 1.3, we have more important issues to deal with. It's not only perceived gender differences, we need to work on racial equality too. Oh, and the announcers all sound too white to me, you must be racist using only those people. Wait, why are the voices female? I want male announcers. Oh, and close the game down on Sunday, it's a day of rest. Oh, and so is Saturday. Oh, and Friday for prayers.'
Or just carry on and ignore the creeping PC brigade's intrusion into a GAME.
Military ranks are generally not gender specific. A female officer in the military is still a 'sir'. It's not an indication of gender, it's an indication of rank.
Anyways, they could do this. But I would argue save it for when we can walk around and the gender we pick matters. As you may or may not have noticed you can actually change the gender of your commander on a whim -- all it affects is the suit model when you look down.
When it becomes a 'permanent choice' and we have avatars, maybe it would matter. I'd argue that currently it doesn't.
edit: but your feelz
Anyways, they could do this. But I would argue save it for when we can walk around and the gender we pick matters. As you may or may not have noticed you can actually change the gender of your commander on a whim -- all it affects is the suit model when you look down.
When it becomes a 'permanent choice' and we have avatars, maybe it would matter. I'd argue that currently it doesn't.
edit: but your feelz
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Gamergate & gender identity have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to with each other. One is a grass roots consumer movement for ethics in gaming journalism & the other is how one defines & identifies oneself.
In the future, English will be re-invented. So, yeah, why not?
Defending the status quo is kind of weird in a science fiction game set 1000 years in the future. Do you think there will be no changes to society? (I'm bummed to see slavery re-introduced, but that's another problem...)
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... a grass roots movement that only attacks feminists. By some coincidence. And which appears utterly unconcerned about, you know, actual ethics in gaming journalism (when it's practiced by men)
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When ANYONE, be they feminists or not, be they SJWs or not, spread lies, falsehoods & misinformation, when feminists & SJWs force their way onto others is when they get responded to. Doesn't care about ethics in journalism? Wrong. GG does in fact care very much about ethics in gaming journalism, hence the push for gaming press sites to update their ethics policies(which has happened due to GG), hence the push for game journalists to announce any & all possible conflicts of interest.
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A quick apology from me.
Here I was , worried we would end up going Off Topic and derailing the thread - turns out, any mention of sexism no matter in what context it is, it will bring that thread to GamerGate and related circular arguments.
So, I apologise for jumping down your throat about Off Topic.
Turns out, in this regard, I might as well scream at water, not to be wet.
A quick apology from me.
Here I was , worried we would end up going Off Topic and derailing the thread - turns out, any mention of sexism no matter in what context it is, it will bring that thread to GamerGate and related circular arguments.
So, I apologise for jumping down your throat about Off Topic.
Turns out, in this regard, I might as well scream at water, not to be wet.
As far as I'm aware, no children were ever traumatised by exposure to the word b r e a s t. It's not a big deal unless you choose to make it one. Second, just because Frontier can do with their site what they want doesn't mean I can't criticise it.
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@digitalscream
A quick apology from me.
Here I was , worried we would end up going Off Topic and derailing the thread - turns out, any mention of sexism no matter in what context it is, it will bring that thread to GamerGate and related circular arguments.
So, I apologise for jumping down your throat about Off Topic.
Turns out, in this regard, I might as well scream at water, not to be wet.
Irony: I was deilberately trying to not bring it to Gamergate, SJWs, MRAs etc - I was honestly just musing on the topics that were being brought up
I don't see that there's anything wrong with talking about these things, though. They're important - to lots of people - but those discussions do tend to go all over the place. Again...human nature
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