Earth likes - hints please

Kancro Vantas

Kancro Vantas
CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI said:
It's not random. Following thread collects hundred of player experience wich, though incomplete, is better than a single explorer experience. F,G,K, stars have a much higher probability to have an ELW. The contributors in the following thread that discover 3 ELW per evening are not crazy people that jumps 2500 system/hour, it's people that filters galaxy map for only show F,G,K, stars.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=119065
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Again, this tell us about F, G, K. But is not a small amount those reported around NS, and also A's and O's.

That's what bothers me most because I might hit 1,000 FGK find nothing but then two NS or A's and find 2!

Last night, for instance, I found a WW that was very, very close to be ELP, so much so it was also a TerraCandidate. What was it orbiting? 2 brown dwarves....

So, on your route of FGK's you skip or pass by M, or brown dwarves or NS, and there is actual chance to find one there as well. Then you dont find any in your FGK stretch and keep scratching your head...what if??

I'm keeping FGK route just because they also bear Hi Metals and TC. But not sure if indeed I have it any better than router only. Mind you 11,000 ly on my current exploration with FGK's and not a single ELP so far. None! How much higher are the chances? Lol. Just a thought.
 

drkaii

drkaii
Whiterose said:
I had one round an M0, admittedly it was a binary around an F, but was still orbiting the M0.
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So have I, they could, in theory, be around any type of star.

I found an ammonia world (with life!) around a white T-Tauri star (see episode 5 of my Deep Space Survey videos - the very first section of the video), and I've also found several Earth-likes around class As (see same video, somewhere in the middle)
 
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Kancro Vantas

Kancro Vantas
Why I think is more than just FGK...

..and in fact pure luck, if you keep extrapolating?

This thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138866

Is the unregistered record breaker for a system bearing ELP's -CMDR is still on his exploration so will register after selling.

He found not 1, not 2 but 4 Earth Like Planets in one system. That's right: 4 !!

What were they orbiting, you say?

​FOUR earth-like planets orbiting a neutron star - Red dwarf - brown dwarf trinity !!! Even better, the two other planets in the row of ELW's are terraformable high-metal content planets!
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Note how NONE of the three stars is either an F, a G or a K!!!

Let that think in for a moment.

How does that FGK route look like now?
 

Isthisnameok

Isthisnameok
Found my first earthlike today around a G5 type star.

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CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI
Kancro Vantas said:
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Mind you 11,000 ly on my current exploration with FGK's and not a single ELP so far. None! How much higher are the chances? Lol. Just a thought.
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ELW are so rare that the fact you did not encounter one in 11k Ly is absolutley "normal" from a statistic point of wiev.

It is true that if you go only in FGK you risk to loose that one orbiting YY.

But staistics are statistic, and some hundred players, or even few dozens, that put their data togheter make a more reliable predictable model.

On 627 ELW discovered 478 of them where around FGK, the others distributed to other star types.
This means it is NOT random but there are factors in the starforge.
And it means that if you want to increase your probability to find one you should look in FGK stars.

In the thread there are people that report 3 ELW every gaming session, when asked how they do, they reply: I filter the galaxy map to FGK stars.

It also depends where you are, in my experience, wich is very limited, I think i noticed that FGK system just outside nebulae are rich in ELW, while scattered FGK in low density dwarven oceans SEEM less likely.
 

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI
Kancro Vantas said:
..and in fact pure luck, if you keep extrapolating?

This thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138866

Is the unregistered record breaker for a system bearing ELP's -CMDR is still on his exploration so will register after selling.

He found not 1, not 2 but 4 Earth Like Planets in one system. That's right: 4 !!

What were they orbiting, you say?


Note how NONE of the three stars is either an F, a G or a K!!!

Let that think in for a moment.

How does that FGK route look like now?
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This is a spot data that means nothing compared to 627 reports. Our own feelings when we explore and are deluded to not find what we look for (me in the first place) make us think a way or another. But math is cold (and ugly).
 

Kancro Vantas

Kancro Vantas
CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI said:
ELW are so rare that the fact you did not encounter one in 11k Ly is absolutley "normal" from a statistic point of wiev.

It is true that if you go only in FGK you risk to loose that one orbiting YY.

But staistics are statistic, and some hundred players, or even few dozens, that put their data togheter make a more reliable predictable model.

On 627 ELW discovered 478 of them where around FGK, the others distributed to other star types.
This means it is NOT random but there are factors in the starforge.
And it means that if you want to increase your probability to find one you should look in FGK stars.

In the thread there are people that report 3 ELW every gaming session, when asked how they do, they reply: I filter the galaxy map to FGK stars.

It also depends where you are, in my experience, wich is very limited, I think i noticed that FGK system just outside nebulae are rich in ELW, while scattered FGK in low density dwarven oceans SEEM less likely.
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Look, I agree is not random. I also agree that FGK the chances are better.

All what I'm trying to make the point here is that routes including ONLY FGK are MARGINALLY better, to the point that makes me wonder if it's indeed the ALL SOLUTION to find ELP. As you point out, some regions seems to be more prone to ELP than others. So, you tell me if its worthy to really apply FGK routes only when you are outside of one of such zones but surrounded by NS, YY, A and O that also happen to have ELP reported.

And the statistics tell us even more. Better put, they are incomplete: did you notice that nearly half of those FGK reported with ELP were in binary systems?? This let us wonder, what kind of companions they have. However, it does seems to suggest that the actual number of FGK loners with ELP are actually half.

With that being said, unless you are in a region known for ELP -like you suggest near nebulas- plotting FGK mainly might actually not neccesarily be the best choice ALWAYS as the data also suggest many variables are in place, not only star class.
 

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI
Kancro Vantas said:
Look, I agree is not random. I also agree that FGK the chances are better.

All what I'm trying to make the point here is that routes including ONLY FGK are MARGINALLY better, to the point that makes me wonder if it's indeed the ALL SOLUTION to find ELP. As you point out, some regions seems to be more prone to ELP than others. So, you tell me if its worthy to really apply FGK routes only when you are outside of one of such zones but surrounded by NS, YY, A and O that also happen to have ELP reported.

And the statistics tell us even more. Better put, they are incomplete: did you notice that nearly half of those FGK reported with ELP were in binary systems?? This let us wonder, what kind of companions they have. However, it does seems to suggest that the actual number of FGK loners with ELP are actually half.

With that being said, unless you are in a region known for ELP -like you suggest near nebulas- plotting FGK mainly might actually not neccesarily be the best choice ALWAYS as the data also suggest many variables are in place, not only star class.
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To this i agree completly. Also notice that i never filtered the map for FGK stars, becouse, well, i'm curious, and to my mind it looks i'm obscuring part of the map. I was just triying to respond to OP with a probabilistic statement.
 

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI

CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI
drkaii said:
Maybe, one day, when you are lucky like me, you will find an earth world as beautiful as this: https://youtu.be/J8faTBSLoCk?t=2164
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Looks too hot too beachlike too islandish to me. I prefear to ski.

Now look at this, the most boring planet ever. Ice, no cracks. a thin atmosphere that slowly erases impact craters. I dare you find something more boring. That boring i couldn't even bother to wear spacesuit and exit ship to make pictures.

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drkaii

drkaii
that is the most interesting boring planet I've ever seen haha

I'd totally land on that planet. Just to walk around a COMPLETELY featureless world is itself an experience
 
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Rekal

R
The best way to find terraformable candidates and Earth-Like worlds is to understand how to find a star's habitable zone. Any star has a chance, even brown dwarfs. Here's a link: Classifications of Stars

The charts display the expected habitable zone for a single star system. So as you jump to a single star system check the chart's number. If you spot some planets that look like they're at least high metal content with a semi-major axis close to the habitable zone, go check them out. They'll at the very least be terraformable.

If you end up in a close binary system, all bets are off. I'm not sure how Elite calculates the habitable zone with multiple stars. Each would be a unique calculation so there won't be any handy chart for them.

Just to chime in on whether an FGK route somehow gives better results, the data can't really support the argument. If the pilots are actually saying "I do an FGK route!" then the data is not truly random and thus meaningless because there's no rate measurement. A counter example would be if I were to check only M class stars, and submitted details on 400 Earth-like planets I found around M class only, how would that skew the numbers? If I had to jump through 200,000 M class systems to get those 400 Earth-likes, it wouldn't show on the chart. The chart would just say more Earth-likes were found in M class systems.
 

iain666

iain666
On my first trip into the black, my compulsion to scan every planet - icy or otherwise - means I'm not moving that fast. 800 systems into the unknown, sometimes just going with the planner and sometimes actively seeking out F, G and K stars in the right general direction, I've yet to see an earth like since I left the inhabited bubble. Many terraformable water world and high metal planets, many of the former right on the cusp of earth like but nothing that actually was.

It's the luck of the draw.
 

Poseidal

Poseidal
Genar-Hofoen said:
Earthlikes are few and far between - there are even earth likes found orbiting neutron stars. You're least likely to encounter an earthlike orbiting M-class stars though - they almost always have a batch of icy boringness orbiting them.

Just keep exploring - you'll find them eventually.

In my last trip to Sagittarius A* and beyond, I discovered 17 earth-likes.

You just need to keep going.
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The hotter Ms (M0) are actually not too bad for them. I've seen a couple of Earthlikes orbiting them.
 

Pate

P
I have found 3 ELWs now, and have explored 1580 systems (if I remember correctly what my statistics page said yesterday). Based on that I am hoping to find my next ELW at around my explored system number 2000. I think it is better to count the chances based on the number of systems traveled instead of number of LY traveled. I keep finding ELW planets after every 500 systems I visit, and water worlds after every 50 systems or so. Though, for some reason, quite often if a system has a water world, it has more than one of them.
 
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