Ua: Solved it! :)

TruffleSnout

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Archvillain said:
Binary data formats may sound geeky and complicated to you, presumably because you haven't bothered to try it, but binary is actually simpler than morse code, which you apparently believe to be sufficiently simple and accessible. If there is a signal encoded in binary, then chances are fair that CHILDREN can figure it out. When you say things like "phd's in Computer Science", what you convey to people around you is that you don't understand what people are doing or why and you're not interested in knowing because you think it's over your head and if it's over your head then clearly FDev wouldn't do that because you think Elite is a simple game for kids.

Give yourself more credit than that and dial back the ignorance. Binary is a simple concept that you can learn in a few minutes (much quicker than you could learn morse code), and maybe it opens up new ways for you to think about the UA tones. If you're not interested in putting in a few minutes to learn something, it's fine if that kind of puzzle doesn't appeal to you, but you should at least be aware that your assumptions are poorly grounded, and that your limits are self-imposed.
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Slow down there, hoss. I was simply trying to convey the idea that in-game systems already use Morse Code, so it's a known quantity. ASCII is thus far, not.

And for the record, I'm a software developer in my day job, so nothing in these discussions has yet to get too technical for myself. That may not be the case for others, though.
 

woodhouse

woodhouse
lonewarrior said:
So here's a theory:
what if it says something along the lines of:
ENTER TO WIN A SHIP: WWW.(rest of untranslated message).co.uk

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-Maybe by getting the website address you will win something......
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That sounds like an alien probe is echoing things it scraped off the internet centuries ago (due to the time it takes wireless transmissions from the 21st century to reach the alien home world).
 

satrycus

satrycus
msyblade said:
I could see ways to work in all of the terms that appeared "many" times. If so, it would appear to be a signal for help or aide, rather than a location or beacon.
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I think you could be right and if this actually is Morse code I would also posit that while the artefact might be alien in origin the sender of the message might not be. They could have been sent, like a message in a bottle, by human explorers back to our region of the galaxy as a warning.
 

Mysturji

Mysturji
Umm... Just in case anyone is doing this Morse translation by hand...
http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html

Just sayin'

PS. Regards the complete message...
moar_please.jpg
 

lonewarrior

lonewarrior
satrycus said:
I think you could be right and if this actually is Morse code I would also posit that while the artefact might be alien in origin the sender of the message might not be. They could have been sent, like a message in a bottle, by human explorers back to our region of the galaxy as a warning.
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Some languages don't have the equivalent words in English so what's to say that aliens managed to figure out morse code which is a fairly simple human communication method but to them it actually makes sense but to us it is missing words such as "to" or "and" which they might not even have words for
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Its a long shot but it would make sense from a realistic point of view
 
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Angus

Angus
brumster said:
Why on earth would an Alien race use morse code?!
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They could have been monitoring radio transmissions from Human populated space and decided it was the best medium to use for a message.



Then again, the sounds I've heard just sound like snoring to me, maybe the secret truth is....... that its a sleeper capsule, and at some point the occupant will awaken, at which point, AHBL!
 

scorpyon

scorpyon
Angus said:
They could have been monitoring radio transmissions from Human populated space and decided it was the best medium to use for a message.
Then again, the sounds I've heard just sound like snoring to me, maybe the secret truth is....... that its a sleeper capsule, and at some point the occupant will awaken, at which point, AHBL!
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Interestingly enough, I was thinking about something very similar to this recently.

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(Though I forget which film this is, tbh...)

I was watching a film a few weeks back wherein these humans found an alien artefact which turned out to be a massive bomb that "sits" within the 9th (I think) dimension. THe idea behind it was that it was built by an alien race that for no other reason than the fact that they are joy-killing bar-stewards, would leave these Unkown Artefact (Bombs) for other races to discover.

The exploring race would marvel over it and take it back to their planet to investigate it further.
At which point, the race would simply detonate it and it would wipe out the entire galaxy the explorer race lived in.

I think we should put the artefact back where it was found... lol
 

Renegade Roach

R
scorpyon said:
Interestingly enough, I was thinking about something very similar to this recently.

*** FILM SPOILER WARNING ***
*** FILM SPOILER WARNING ***
*** FILM SPOILER WARNING ***
(Though I forget which film this is, tbh...)

I was watching a film a few weeks back wherein these humans found an alien artefact which turned out to be a massive bomb that "sits" within the 9th (I think) dimension. THe idea behind it was that it was built by an alien race that for no other reason than the fact that they are joy-killing bar-stewards, would leave these Unkown Artefact (Bombs) for other races to discover.

The exploring race would marvel over it and take it back to their planet to investigate it further.
At which point, the race would simply detonate it and it would wipe out the entire galaxy the explorer race lived in.

I think we should put the artefact back where it was found... lol
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Aliens today, all griefers ;(
 

Jackie Silver

Jackie Silver
Archvillain said:
I haven't seen anyone doing any complex operations (so far), just basic stuff, checking patterns, etc.
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I have tried various combinations of straight binary, signed binary, one's complement, two's complement, ternary* and balanced ternary. No luck and no patterns that I can see from any of it.
And I've tried all sorts of Morse stuff to no avail including branching trees (gets too big very quickly) with arbitrary lengths of separation between words. :(

It has at least been fun to do. :)

*by looking at the stream as "up-shift, steady, down-shift."
 
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HipToss

HipToss
Just a thought, but in the newsletter it speaks of the new galaxy map showing power play faction influence. It the image, it has the current location of Pethes. Possible hint???
 

scorpyon

scorpyon
I've just realised I've not even asked this question yet.
Where can I find an Unknown Artifact?

Are they random in USS's?
Or only in that 109 Whatserface place?
 

woodhouse

woodhouse
Two questions:

(1) It was observed earlier that the binary patterns extracted from the UA sound files never have more than 2 consecutive ones or zeroes. Does the Morse code version provide an explanation for this property?

(2) Apparently some words can be found in the pattern of dots and dashes extracted from the UA sound files. Pasting the pattern directly into a morse code translator doesn't work. Did we rule out that a roughly equivalent number of words can be found in a completely arbitrary blob of dots and dashes?
 

SteveLaw

SteveLaw
scorpyon said:
I've just realised I've not even asked this question yet.
Where can I find an Unknown Artifact?

Are they random in USS's?
Or only in that 109 Whatserface place?
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So far only found in SSSs. Look for a Federation Convoy, Type 9, Anacondas, Vultures, various others. Cargo Scan the T9 to see it. The convoy will start a dialogue about strange things happening. You can try and lure away the T9 with cargo scans, spooking it enough to leave the escorts, or wait for the UA to eat it's way out of the Cargo Hatch and scoop it up. It will corrode your ship while you carry it. Been found in several system but no pattern discovered yet apart from Federation systems. 109 V, Timocani, some others.
 

fergal

fergal
SteveLaw said:
So far only found in SSSs. Look for a Federation Convoy, Type 9, Anacondas, Vultures, various others. Cargo Scan the T9 to see it. The convoy will start a dialogue about strange things happening. You can try and lure away the T9 with cargo scans, spooking it enough to leave the escorts, or wait for the UA to eat it's way out of the Cargo Hatch and scoop it up. It will corrode your ship while you carry it. Been found in several system but no pattern discovered yet apart from Federation systems. 109 V, Timocani, some others.
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I thought I read that they are only in weak signal sources. I've been dropping into them to look :(
How does the corroding your cargo bay work? Does it damage the cargo hatch?
 

Uncle Bert

Uncle Bert
fergal said:
I thought I read that they are only in weak signal sources. I've been dropping into them to look :(
How does the corroding your cargo bay work? Does it damage the cargo hatch?
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It damages a random system every 30 seconds or so. Sounds worse than it is. After an 8 jump journey my systems were still in the 90% range.
 
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