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From the EULA
If your router blocks p2p you are violating 4.4 if your purposefully did so you breach the cheating clause 3c.
Please read the EULA, in my culture it is rude to ask someone to do something you could do for yourself.
You are not permitted to
use cheats, automation software, hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized software designed to modify or defeat the purpose or experience of the Game
4.4 You may not use the Game or any Online Features in a manner that could damage, disable, impair, overburden or compromise our systems or security or interfere with the experience of other users of the Game or any Online Feature.
Robert Maynard
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So close !!!
I knew you'd hit 4.4, missed 3c out
For those who are not sure;
https://store.elitedangerous.com/ed-eula/
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im near to think that without open would have much less problems but maybe is just me
No, it isn't just you.
Playing in solo has nothing to do with leaving the starting systems. Plenty of us play solo and have gone on trips exploring beyond civilized space...so your view on this is not looking at the full picture
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Quote Originally Posted by mosh_er View Post
Hi Micheal
I know you said that solo/group and open will always use the same universe, can you also say that there will be no specific perks in playing in one mode over another? i.e bigger profit from trading in open or bigger bounties?
None are planned at the moment.
He didn't say they wouldn't or a definitive no, so I'm just going to dismiss your point.
How old am I, 30.
Why is what I say meaningful at all.
I dunno probably just Ultima Online or researching PvP versus PVE WOW server world goal completion dates.
Probably, the most obvious key, PvP servers are harder.
I'm also a utilitarian, so there really isn't a good or bad side to me.
I play every type of game play, research the hell out of them and aggregate my gameplay data in a log to track revenue vs time.
Basically, I'm OCD as hell about process efficiency. I'm also OCD about words and meanings. This game is supposed to gear towards interaction of players. That does not jive well with having solo = open.
Every modern game does it eventually to carrot the players together.
Hi Micheal
I know you said that solo/group and open will always use the same universe, can you also say that there will be no specific perks in playing in one mode over another? i.e bigger profit from trading in open or bigger bounties?
None are planned at the moment.
He didn't say they wouldn't or a definitive no, so I'm just going to dismiss your point.
How old am I, 30.
Why is what I say meaningful at all.
I dunno probably just Ultima Online or researching PvP versus PVE WOW server world goal completion dates.
Probably, the most obvious key, PvP servers are harder.
I'm also a utilitarian, so there really isn't a good or bad side to me.
I play every type of game play, research the hell out of them and aggregate my gameplay data in a log to track revenue vs time.
Basically, I'm OCD as hell about process efficiency. I'm also OCD about words and meanings. This game is supposed to gear towards interaction of players. That does not jive well with having solo = open.
Every modern game does it eventually to carrot the players together.
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Well to avoid any possible compromise of the EULA, simply buy another router and enjoy double NAT
Just to play devil's advocate, I think I know what part of the EULA that could be used to back his claim;
4. Acceptable Use Restrictions
4.1 You may not use the Game or any Online Features in any unlawful manner, for any unlawful purpose, or in any manner inconsistent with this EULA, or act fraudulently or maliciously, including but not limited to hacking into, inserting malicious code (including viruses or harmful data) into the Game, any Online Features or any operating system.
4.2 You may not infringe our intellectual property rights or those of any third party in relation to your use of the Game or any Online Features to the extent that such use is not licensed by this EULA.
4.3 You may not transmit any material that is unlawful, defamatory or offensive in relation to your use of the Game or the Online Features.
4.4 You may not use the Game or any Online Features in a manner that could damage, disable, impair, overburden or compromise our systems or security or interfere with the experience of other users of the Game or any Online Feature.
4.5 You may not collect or harvest any information or data from the Game, the Online Features or our systems, and may not attempt to decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running the Game or Online Features.
It could be argued that by blocking players while in Open Mode, you do "interfere with the experience of other users" - as other users would expect to see people who are in Open mode but not yet in a full "island" or "instance".
While, that may not be the intent of that part of the EULA, it is grey enough to be taken that way. Leaning to a moral question, should users be classed as cheaters if caught messing with external routers to control connections and use Open like it is Solo?
This thought did cross my mind with the race to Elite - what was stopping someone doing just that? And can FD prove it was done, to then refute a claim of Elite status gained in Open?
So, there we have it - not sure if that is what they were looking at - and I was bored, so thought I'd step to the dark side for 30 minutes.... they have cookies
(I'm going for a shower now, I feel dirty after that
Thanks for the link, I would suggest a bath in detol or possibly exorcism, I doubt a shower will work
.That covers using external software etc, it doesn't say I can't use a old router, it doesn't say my 37 kids are not allowed to stream movies on their individual devices whilst I play, nor does it say I have to pass an network administrator course and set up my router in a specific way to be allowed to play ED.
Until FD start including pre configured routers & PC's with each copy of ED I think it would be fine, I also agree the EULA is a bit of a grey area on this.
The only effect of me (in open) having a flaky connection is the matchmaking server not matching me with anyone, now that would be FD's equipment making the decision, not mine. Not that I think we will ever be in a position to need to worry about it.
Over 8000 commanders in one private dedicated Open PvE group:
http://elitepve.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3&start=230#p21176
Someone likes the idea.
http://elitepve.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3&start=230#p21176
Someone likes the idea.
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Thanks for the link, I would suggest a bath in detol or possibly exorcism, I doubt a shower will work
That covers using external software etc, it doesn't say I can't use a old router, it doesn't say my 37 kids are not allowed to stream movies on their individual devices whilst I play, nor does it say I have to pass an network administrator course and set up my router in a specific way to be allowed to play ED.
Until FD start including pre configured routers & PC's with each copy of ED I think it would be fine, I also agree the EULA is a bit of a grey area on this.
The only effect of me (in open) having a flaky connection is the matchmaking server not matching me with anyone, now that would be FD's equipment making the decision, not mine. Not that I think we will ever be in a position to need to worry about it.
Once again no.
"You may not use" goes to the functionality of software and hardware. The knowledge you have it misuses their system.is a 3c violation. The fact the hardware or software you use can't run is correctly.is a section 4 violation.
Existing defect: set your path to a 1.1 USB device for your snapshot storage. It is too small causes the game to lock up and you disappear. By your logic it isn't their fault their storage is too small for the image and it isn't their fault they know what it does.
That is a known exploit for the specific hardware and the intentionality to cheat.
The EULA? Ah yes, I printed that out when we ran out of toilet paper.
not very good at research then are you? If you were, your research would have shown that the game support several modes and treats them all as equals. you wouldn't be here now complaining about it.
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Sometimes this forum makes me feel like a bad person.
1. No one reads their user agreements and I've had 3 years of contractual law training to help me read them
2. Most people don't understand how software works and how small type changes can be even more difficult to implement and pass QA or even be designed than large phase projects that work with the process flow.
But I am in a family of software developers and could not escape that as a career.
3. Most people aren't familiar with play style balances.
I've had years of listening to developer discussions over balance and expanding your perceptions beyond how you play the game.
But this guy! This guy makes me feel good about myself. I love this guy.
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You're right, I totally didn't research diablo 3, WOW, wildstar, ultima online and numerous other games to see that those with stronger player communities and strong player interaction generate a stronger more lasting player base that purchase more of the companies products. They even change over time to encourage more and more player interaction.
I definitely didn't do a project over that, ever, in my scholastic career.
It definitely isn't a fundamental attribute of a social creature. Being social and interacting.
The golden egg of ED is open play. Equating it to solo, with the inconvenience of PvP is a death sentence for it being a lasting and worth while play style.
I mean look at y'all on your own making your OWN ones to avoid the negative aspect.
It is like you are seeking the most efficient social interaction possible. How human of y'all.
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I'm sure many would, and have argued, that a game without "greifing" is content in and of itself. Like I also said, cargo delivery missions are a dime a dozens, they are not new content, by any means. All I was doing was repackaging it in a way to appeal to open players. You too can enjoy that content you just have to follow the rules as well
otherwise it's cheating.
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Right, some points to think about;
1) Be as OCD about words and meanings all you like - but that does not explain the "Intent" of the EULA and what it was written for.
2) As much as any game developer would like, under no law can an EULA be used to tell you how to use your router or the router supplied by an Internet Service Provider, and EULA is only valid for the software it ships with, no matter how broadly it is worded. (For example, if FD tried telling someone how to use their cable modem or used their own software to control it, the ISP and/or owner of that modem could complain that FD are in fact tampering with their hardware and sue them).
3) Compare the EULA from FD with that of Apple's iPhones, or Microsoft Windows - heck, even the bicycles for public use in London (UK) have a bigger EULA by far (over 30 pages to use a bicycle !!) - the EULA for Elite: Dangerous is woefully shallow and broad (some may argue, it reflects the game
) and needs fleshing out - not that anyone but us seems to have read it And, finally;
4) The game is geared towards the individual (how you came to another conclusion is beyond me). The main tag line for the game is "Play your way" - it is not *Play their way*
....The game is about each of us, personally and how we as individuals have an impact on the galaxy around, hence why my impact is just as big in Solo, as it is in Mobius or Open.
....The game does allow of groups of players to have an impact on it, together - but it is not the cornerstone of the game.
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Speak for yourself. The "golden egg" of ED for me, is Solo mode, because I don't always (often) want social interaction. Without Solo I wouldn't have bought the game. First thing I asked was "does it have single player option".
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