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[MajorStewie]

this is FD's games and the only thing id ask from FD is remove combat logging such as not being able to log off when you are being targeted by a player or just been interdicted and make open world more rewarding or profitable to give players a nicer reason to play in the more dangerous open world to match the extra danger. and because it makes playing in open world not cheap with how players can avoid it.

 

[fergal]

Nope, NPCs are stupid and dumb. Even if you get interdicted by 2-3 fast ships like cobra or vulture, the NPC will take some time to scan you (in this time you get 2-3km distance) and they dont chase with full speed. So even my trading python with 312 max speed can outrun any NPC.
The only really dangerous place is the CZ with high intensity, but there you can always run and engage later or jump out.
Believe me the dangerous thing in solo is an asteroid, anything else is easy and you can survive it.

If you want some danger against NPCs stop running.
High intensity CZ have ships on your side, try the Strong Signal Sources by yourself.

 

[Jockey79]

LOL you really think you have proven anything at all??? You have an opinion and you choose to believe it nothing more. You have proven nothing. Same with me..

So, I didn't refute - with proof, the claims of this being a PvP game.... ok then, so apart from the Kickstarter information, the DDA information and the countless DEV diaries and even the current store page;

Available Now for PC and Mac Digital Download.
Take control of your own starship in a cutthroat galaxy. In the year 3300, across the vast expanse of an epic, full-scale recreation of our Milky Way, interstellar rivalries flare as galactic superpowers fight proxy wars.

Some may know you as an ally; others will call you a pirate, a bounty hunter, a smuggler, an explorer, an assassin, a hero... Fly alone or with friends, fight for a cause or go it alone; your actions change the galaxy around you in an ever unfolding story.

Start with a small starship and a few credits, and do whatever it takes to get the skill, knowledge, wealth and power to stand among the ranks of the Elite.

What part of all that information, didn't prove the false claims of open advocates?
What part proved you right?
What part of that, says any one player - has to play in YOUR company?

As far as bringing something to the table, well calling you out is the reason why I respond to you is in this whole open v group discussion you seem to offer nothing constructive other than pompous drivel..

Again, just attacking me for the sake of it.
If you "call someone out" you prove that they are being false and/or misleading, I've asked for your proof on that, you've resorted to insulting behaviour.

So, it is back to my earlier point, when open advocates fail to convince us of their points - it's tantrum time, complete with insults.

Now if you want to actually provide some "constructive" posting for once I will too. FYI "constructive posting" isn't repeating the same opinion over and over again in a condescending manner.

I'm not asking for any changes to the game, I'm advocating keeping the current status quo. All my points and proof of the games design and intent for the game are in this thread and has been linked over and over and over - It's down to you to refute the game design and convince people it needs changing.

AS to you wanting me to be the "champion of PVP" well I have no real interest in PVP per see but will play open. If it happens well it happens but I mainly trade (yuk, boring) or hunt in RES sites. I will also play solo depending on my mood.

So, another who wants changes, but not willing to usher them in. You need to bring people together for a common cause, like Mobius has with PvE.
If you want a more PvP centric game, get the PVPers together as a group and speak with one united voice.

My only difference to you is instead of running off to a PVE group the first time something bad had happened to you "actually have you ever been griefed? Or do you rely on others "eye witness" accounts to prove you "fact" I will just move to another area.

Who said anything bad has happened to me?
I've only ever been in Open twice, only seen a CMDR once - he sent me a message just as my countdown started, so I never had the chance to send one back.

As I said, and so have a few others - I bought this game to play within my real life social group, the Mobius Group was going to be a stepping stone towards going into full time Open Mode - but the attitude you and some others have shown here has well and truly nailed the lid on that coffin.

I also think the "bad men" play in open is a crock of given the size of the galaxy and get a bit sick of guys like you trying their hardest to get players across to their PVE group..

Really all you are interested in is increasing your PVE group, me I would prefer a improved community as a whole, that is what will make this game a successful game..

Mobius Members tell people about the group either on request, or when someone has relayed that they have left Open due to unwanted PvP/ griefing/ harassment and so on.

8200 members from my last look, all like minded people who want to play the environment not each other - this really bothers you doesn't it.

 

[cryon1cang3l]

If you want some danger against NPCs stop running.
High intensity CZ have ships on your side, try the Strong Signal Sources by yourself.

Even that works fine. Sure i need some banks and some skill, but compared to what a full wing of players would do to me, NPCs are just stupid. Same with elite condas (assasination quests) - they fall apart before i need shield cells...

 

[Jockey79]

Even that works fine. Sure i need some banks and some skill, but compared to what a full wing of players would do to me, NPCs are just stupid. Same with elite condas (assasination quests) - they fall apart before i need shield cells...

Well, perhaps the ships need a balance pass then.
Or NPC scaling according to combat rank, so for every combat rank, NPCs gain +5% damage output, hull and shields maybe?

 

[W0OCQCK]

Even that works fine. Sure i need some banks and some skill, but compared to what a full wing of players would do to me, NPCs are just stupid. Same with elite condas (assasination quests) - they fall apart before i need shield cells...

The only thing easier to kill than an NPC, would be a one week old player in a hauler. They would probably be hauling fish, or something like that. I'm sure they would remember the lesson. Off to Mobius they go, just like that.

 

[fergal]

I just laughed at this post.

Sure. Some people who dont invest time in games, will always fall behind, this is normal. But in a multiplayer game with pvp enabled by default most people not only fall behind, they are food for anyone who polished his skills and/or has way better gear etc.

How is this a multiplayer game with pvp enabled by default? I see 3 game modes to enter when I log in, Solo, Group or Open. I have to actively go to specific systems for any chance of seeing players. Open isn't pvp mode, its pvp possible mode.

But here is the only one small problem. You like solo or pure PvE and thats fine, you can do it solo or with friends. But PvP-oriented people need a decent player base. And this is why solo and private are a "problem" for us, specially because we cant even stop people from changing the universe because its connected to all 3 modes. So you tell me that i have no right to force anyone - yeah. But in the same time i have to sit and watch how people leave the only mode that has actually player VS player interaction...

Don't lump any other players in with your opinion. There is no "us"
I love this term: "player VS player interaction"

Lets be honest here, what most people call pvp is absolutely unfair and one sided. I was at Diso lugging machinery for the CG and got interdicted by all and sundry. The best was a wing of 4, a FDL, 2 Clippers and Vulture. I have no problem with this, its why I actually went to the CG.

Last night I went back to Diso, this time in my FDL. No one interdicted me. All of the combat ships were in wings of 2. There were FDLs, Pythons, Vultures and Cobras interdicting all over the place.

I interdicted a few guys in wings, fought one "elite" (when I see a player with an elite rank I just think they been cz farming, I put it in the same category as someone with a docking computer) player. I let him live even though he was wanted. I find no enjoyment in clubbing a player to death, and thats what combat in this game basically is most of the time.

You want a pvp challenge, go to a combat zone and hope you can find a player. You want to pick on weaker ships, don't call it pvp.

 

[Asp Explorer]

You want to pick on weaker ships, don't call it pvp.

Totally this. I just hope that future improvements will make real criminals out of wing players seal-clubbing newbie Sidewinders.

 

[Fire70]

Well it seems like you have it all figured out! Just so you know, I haven't experienced anyone permoting and recruiting people into Mobius. Honest here mate, they come by the hundreds, mostly all on there own. If we actually had a way to get the word out to all the players of it's existence I think the actual players joining it would be much much greater.

As for my community, (IE Mobius) it's just great, I really like it a lot, and in all honesty I really don't want to be part of any community where people like you are attending. Additionally I estimate EVE over the last 13 years have actually driven 15 or 20 million players, who love space games away from there game. I kinda think because of the different modes, many will end up here. Just wait and see.

I don't mean to be disrespectful here to you buddy. But your talking utter and complete nonsense. This already is a very successful game! It has no where to go but up. The fact is FD making this game the way it is, really goes a long way for our community's trust in FD. There actually watching out for each and every player here. Not just people like you. This is something CCP never did.

If EvE actually had a PVE server, I'd still be playing it! Hell I honest believe there would be at least a half million other PVE orentated players still be playing it! Can you imagine how much more money would be flowing into the CCP coffers. Like I've said the CCP CEO is a complete and utter moron.

You have proved something to me though, "really". You have proved to me that I want absolutely nothing to do with gamers like yourself.

So talking complete and utter nonsense = have a differing opinion which you disagree with, I would expect nothing less. No I have an opinion, like you and like you I am entitled to speak my mind. I don' t really care for what you think, "I play the forums my way". (Did I do that right?)

Again yes the game is successful, especially once it went on Steam, unfortunately us Steam guys are not worthy enough for you founder guys either, I have seen the threads too..

It is by no means a huge success at this stage when comparing it to other MMO's and IN MY OPINION its success will hinge in their ability to provide a rewarding and dynamic open world. To get the masses in (sorry but they are what will fund this game, not a few mill given on kick starter) it will have to offer more long term than it does now. Power Play will only be the first step.

So you haven't seen any "active" marketing for your PVE group, yet you have a signature advertising it?? Really are you guys that far removed form reality. Sorry Buddy not disrespect but you are talking complete and utter nonsense..

Not only is their a huge advertising campaign every time there is a post about someone being griefed I can guarantee there will be a post "join Mobius" yet you are not promoting it??


You know what that is your right and but it is my right to say my opinion too and my opinion is promoting a PVE group is not addressing any problems the game may have only running away for them. Also magnifying the problems to the absurd and using others naivety to promote your cause is also a bit slimy (for lack of a better word) in my opinion..

As to your community, I sure it is great and you enjoy it, I have no real opinion on it other than the drivel some of you come out with. I have a feeling that it seems to attract a certain type of personality type. That type is far better suited to having their own area in all honestly..

Oh an ex Eve guy , from what I can gather EVE is pretty successful as it is and the reality is people come and go all the time. I would say the fact they don't have a pure PVE environment is more to do with their research as opposed to your opinion of their CEO, course I'm sure you have more knowledge than him and he isn't interested in making a profit. Same reason why FD will never have a stand alone PVE option because they don't feel it is necessary.

 

[cryon1cang3l]

Well, perhaps the ships need a balance pass then.
Or NPC scaling according to combat rank, so for every combat rank, NPCs gain +5% damage output, hull and shields maybe?

Nah, the AI should be reworked. A dumb NPC with +5% dmg will still be stupid.
But its actually fine, because that gives any pilot a chance to actually fight in CZ and do assasination missions without problems. Want action? Try to go 1v1 against a player, that will be a whole new expirience.

 

[atak2]

Mobius Members tell people about the group either on request, or when someone has relayed that they have left Open due to unwanted PvP/ griefing/ harassment and so on.

8200 members from my last look, all like minded people who want to play the environment not each other - this really bothers you doesn't it.

You mean that niche group with less than 2% of the players who have bought Elite Dangerous...

 

[Faded Glory]

Nah, the AI should be reworked. A dumb NPC with +5% dmg will still be stupid.
But its actually fine, because that gives any pilot a chance to actually fight in CZ and do assasination missions without problems. Want action? Try to go 1v1 against a player, that will be a whole new expirience.

Well, real players put the biggest guns they can in their ships, so they are likely to be a bigger challenge. My Vulture with a single C3 beam, and a C3 cannon evaporates most ships. But I'll say again, if FD equipped their NPC's in the same manner you'd have a rage quitting explosion, and this thread would pale in comparison to the threads complaining about being obliterated by NPC's.

There are plenty of people playing this game who aren't looking to be destroyed every time they fly, and that's still valid gameplay. If however, that's why you play the game, then hopefully you can find an appropriate CMDR to engage.

 

[Fire70]

You mean that niche group with less than 2% of the players who have bought Elite Dangerous...

Possibly.

I just like the logic.

Make claim about "bad things happen all the time in open" but I have only been in open twice..

Brags about having the most posts in this thread and is the oracle, has refuted and disproved all opposing arguments but has only been in open twice.

Say their group does nothing towards promoting themselves but has a huge promotion signature.

I wonder why I bother.

 

[atak2]

Possibly.

I just like the logic.

Make claim about "bad things happen all the time in open" but I have only been in open twice..

Brags about having the most posts in this thread and is the oracle, has refuted and disproved all opposing arguments but has only been in open twice.

Say their group does nothing towards promoting themselves but has a huge promotion signature.

I wonder why I bother.

If you don't bother you let the underhanded tactics you attribute to them win.

 

[fergal]

Well, real players put the biggest guns they can in their ships, so they are likely to be a bigger challenge. My Vulture with a single C3 beam, and a C3 cannon evaporates most ships. But I'll say again, if FD equipped their NPC's in the same manner you'd have a rage quitting explosion, and this thread would pale in comparison to the threads complaining about being obliterated by NPC's.

There are plenty of people playing this game who aren't looking to be destroyed every time they fly, and that's still valid gameplay. If however, that's why you play the game, then hopefully you can find an appropriate CMDR to engage.

The elite ranked ships usually have the best equipment and bulkheads, and are much more difficult to destroy.
Getting interdicted by shieldless sidewinders on the other hand...

 

[Deadspin]

This argument man..

I've been in open since Gamma, only shifting to PG or Solo when community goal areas become to crowded to make any progress towards the goal and in that 7-ish month time span I've run into other players and actually had to PvP all of five or six times. Two of those times I went seeking out PvP with empire supporters. Yeah, my Cobra ended up getting melted by a FerDeLance but I had fun doing it.

Then again, even when in open I'm in a section of space that seems to be pretty out of the way in terms of regular player traffic.

 

[Faded Glory]

The elite ranked ships usually have the best equipment and bulkheads, and are much more difficult to destroy.
Getting interdicted by shieldless sidewinders on the other hand...

Agreed. I've said before that some NPC's are pretty challenging. The point I'm making is that I don't believe FD want to make their NPC's too challenging. I'm pretty sure they could make them near on invincible, but that probably wouldn't sit well with the majority of the player base.

As to what you get interdicted by, I'm guessing it's random, but personally I have been interdicted by much stronger ships than shieldless Sidewinders.

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Yeah, my Cobra ended up getting melted by a FerDeLance but I had fun doing it.

And that's the whole point...

 

[Fire70]

If you do you let their underhanded tactics win.

You know what if they had a PVE mode I wouldn't care other than good luck to them. The game will be big enough for all players to have the mode of their choice.

It is just the way some of them argue and dismiss any other opinion other than their own. It is almost like they have a personal stake in PVE and if it is not a popular as they hope their they will be a personal failure..

I can see them now getting all angry at the computer because some johnny come lately has the audacity to question their high and mighty position among the community..

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This argument man..

I've been in open since Gamma, only shifting to PG or Solo when community goal areas become to crowded to make any progress towards the goal and in that 7-ish month time span I've run into other players and actually had to PvP all of five or six times. Two of those times I went seeking out PvP with empire supporters. Yeah, my Cobra ended up getting melted by a FerDeLance but I had fun doing it.

Then again, even when in open I'm in a section of space that seems to be pretty out of the way in terms of regular player traffic.

Never let the truth get in the road of a propaganda campaign..

 

[W0OCQCK]

So talking complete and utter nonsense = have a differing opinion which you disagree with, I would expect nothing less. No I have an opinion, like you and like you I am entitled to speak my mind. I don' t really care for what you think, "I play the forums my way". (Did I do that right?)

Again yes the game is successful, especially once it went on Steam, unfortunately us Steam guys are not worthy enough for you founder guys either, I have seen the threads too..

It is by no means a huge success at this stage when comparing it to other MMO's and IN MY OPINION its success will hinge in their ability to provide a rewarding and dynamic open world. To get the masses in (sorry but they are what will fund this game, not a few mill given on kick starter) it will have to offer more long term than it does now. Power Play will only be the first step.

So you haven't seen any "active" marketing for your PVE group, yet you have a signature advertising it?? Really are you guys that far removed form reality. Sorry Buddy not disrespect but you are talking complete and utter nonsense..

Not only is their a huge advertising campaign every time there is a post about someone being griefed I can guarantee there will be a post "join Mobius" yet you are not promoting it??


You know what that is your right and but it is my right to say my opinion too and my opinion is promoting a PVE group is not addressing any problems the game may have only running away for them. Also magnifying the problems to the absurd and using others naivety to promote your cause is also a bit slimy (for lack of a better word) in my opinion..

As to your community, I sure it is great and you enjoy it, I have no real opinion on it other than the drivel some of you come out with. I have a feeling that it seems to attract a certain type of personality type. That type is far better suited to having their own area in all honestly..

Oh an ex Eve guy , from what I can gather EVE is pretty successful as it is and the reality is people come and go all the time. I would say the fact they don't have a pure PVE environment is more to do with their research as opposed to your opinion of their CEO, course I'm sure you have more knowledge than him and he isn't interested in making a profit. Same reason why FD will never have a stand alone PVE option because they don't feel it is necessary.

Well now we seem to disagree. I honestly respect yer opinion there laddy. Don't agree with it, but your entitled to it. When I say I haven't seen anyone really permote it, Yes we have our sig's. I have posted at times to try it to a few, but hey I don't cruse the forums posting in every thread I see. I don't do it, I haven't seen anyone else do it.

Jockey on the other hand? I have just seen him give you the facts. Facts you choose to ignore! It's your life, if you want to keep playing ostrich and simple ignoring them. Well once again it's entirely up to you I guess.

So please proceed to enlighten us all with your wisdom. I eagerly wait your response.

PS It's pretty damn successful like it or not.

 

[atak2]

You know what if they had a PVE mode I wouldn't care other than good luck to them. The game will be big enough for all players to have the mode of their choice.

It is just the way some of them argue and dismiss any other opinion other than their own. It is almost like they have a personal stake in PVE and if it is not a popular as they hope their they will be a personal failure..

I can see them now getting all angry at the computer because some johnny come lately has the audacity to question their high and mighty position among the community..

I raised this issue yesterday so quite a few pages back. You are not the only one who has noticed.