InMemoriamSirocco
Banned
The Vulture is a small ship and has two... I really want this to be the Imperial equivalent to the Vulture, but for that it needs at least one large hardpoint.
The Vulture is a small ship and has two... I really want this to be the Imperial equivalent to the Vulture, but for that it needs at least one large hardpoint.
I think the name gives it away as to it's capabilities. 'Imperial COURIER', as in messenger ship. It's going to be lightly armed and armoured, although it could possibly be of a medium armour class. It should be extremely fast, highly manoeuvrable and probably have a pretty good jump range. Looking at the above model, it would seem to be only slightly larger than a Sidewinder or Eagle (comparing cockpit sizes), so there is no way it's going to have a large hard point. I'd be surprised if it had more than one medium HP to be honest. My guess would be two small HP on the wing pods and *maybe* one medium on the main fuselage somewhere. It will almost certainly be a "useless" ship for anyone who has many millions, but maybe it has a place for doing some of the "take stuff to X" missions that require something a little more than the base ships. It could well be the Empire only version of the Eagle, making it a capable fighter too.
Like somebody pointed out, what would be the point of releasing such a ship now? Especially since earnings have increased, now no one needs to stay in a Viper/Cobra longer than they desire to (it's even more true for smaller ships), so I don't see who would pilot a ship like that. Also, it does require the rank of Master, which takes a little time, supposedly by then you could already afford a Vulture, so why make a worse ship than it? I hope it will be as capable as the Asp, with different qualities and downsides. It should be better than the Cobra as a multirole ship.
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I would put the price above or at least near the Asp. From what I've seen the Diamondback seems to fill the gap between Cobra and the Asp and a second ship in that range wouldn't make much sense.
And I really hope it gets a decent jumprange, around 30ly in a explorer config with light shields would be enough for me, I'm not in a big hurry while exploring.
It would fit the pattern, Wings gave us to combat only ships, maybe PP gives us to multirole with focus on combat and exploring.
And I really hope it gets a decent jumprange, around 30ly in a explorer config with light shields would be enough for me, I'm not in a big hurry while exploring.
It would fit the pattern, Wings gave us to combat only ships, maybe PP gives us to multirole with focus on combat and exploring.
The point of releasing a less powerfull and expensive ship now, is that there are still thousands , possibly hundreds of thousands of people who do not have cash for a vulture or asp and wont have for a long time. Plus there are many more people to come who will need lower shops.
This game is currently in need of more variety in the low to mid tier. Does noone remember the complaints about it when the vulture was released?
On a personal preference note. I hope its just a much faster and slightly stronger version of the eagle, with a 1-3 mill price.
If such a thing had similar speed to the viper, they may well be viable for PvP as something that can keep up constant fire without taking hits.
Im also VERY happy to see they went with a design thats in between the two concepts we were shown. The finished product actually looks really nice.
This game is currently in need of more variety in the low to mid tier. Does noone remember the complaints about it when the vulture was released?
On a personal preference note. I hope its just a much faster and slightly stronger version of the eagle, with a 1-3 mill price.
If such a thing had similar speed to the viper, they may well be viable for PvP as something that can keep up constant fire without taking hits.
Im also VERY happy to see they went with a design thats in between the two concepts we were shown. The finished product actually looks really nice.
digitalscream
Banned
Come on...that would basically be an unbeatable ship. Even if it did start like that, it'd be the biggest nerf of all time shortly afterwards.
You can still beat it with a Python, a FdL or a Clipper. The combat ships above its price range (if it is 10-15m). Or do you think you are supposed to beat a Vulture with an Eagle?
Jump range and cargo space is not much of a big deal in combat.
The better boost an maneuverability would put it above the Vulture, but that would be reflected in the price, and you can also give it a weaker hull to balance it out a little bit.
It would still have less firepower, shields, armor and cargo capacity than the 22m Clipper.
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I agree that it should be 10-15m with a huge jump range, high boost speed, and decent firepower (1 Large 2 Medium). I'm not so sure it should be able to carry 100T+ like a T6 though.
Ideally Frontier would revamp Rares Trading so that we could "courier" high cost goods across long distances very fast with ships that have long jump ranges; the $/hour ratio could come in slightly below a Type 7 that's doing A-B trading since it's a dedicated trader.
Ideally Frontier would revamp Rares Trading so that we could "courier" high cost goods across long distances very fast with ships that have long jump ranges; the $/hour ratio could come in slightly below a Type 7 that's doing A-B trading since it's a dedicated trader.
Sorry, my bad, I thought the T6 had less than 100t, but Still, that would be completely stripped down, and a 5m Asp can already carry more than that (128) and it is not a dedicated trader either.
But yes, maybe 100t would still be too much, maybe 80 or 70?
The thing is, if the ship is gonna be a good explorer, it is gonna need "At least" 5 internal space components. One for shield, another for fuel scoop, one for an extra fuel tank, and two for the scanners.
Id speculate:
Class 5 Shield (Note that the max shield of an Asp is Class 6)
Class 5 Scoop
Class 3 Fuel tank
Class 3 Repair module
Discovery
Surface Scanner
Stripped down for trading could be something like: 5-5-3-3-1-1, which would be 32 + 32 + 8 + 8 + 2 + 2 = 84 max cargo capacity. Still below a T6 and well below an Asp, yet still usable as a trader.
Exploration wise, it could have the highest jump range in the game to reach those places no ship can reach yet, and the Asp would still have the advantage in the fuel scooping area because of the class 6 module.
Combat wise it could be outright better than the Vulture in terms of speed and maneuverability, equal in firepower, and maybe more fragile in armor, and 3 times the base cost, essentially making it kind of a very expensive glass cannon, which would be the balance of its superior fighting power.
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ok so my turn to speculate about stats i guess:
Price: 550 000c (around 10 millions fully equiped)
Purpose: Hybrid Fighter/Explorer, Courier
Mass: 160t (Cobra is 180t)
Shield: 80 (same as Cobra)
Armor: 100
Landing Pad: Small
Speed: 280
Boost: 405 (5 more than Cobra)
Agility: 6
Jump range: 21Ly (combat) to 27Ly (explorer)
Fuel tank: 8t
Hardpoints: 2 medium, 2 small
Utility mounts: 3
Internals: 4, 4, 3, 3, 1, 1
Cargo (no-shield): 52t max
Description:
The Gutamaya Courier is one of the most iconic ship of the empire, it's high speed, jump range and decent size makes it the perfect ship for action during emergencies or to turn the edge of a lost battle. The empire keep most of them for there most successful operative agents around the universe, and for there most secret actions.
Members of the pilot federations have to prove themselves worthy to the empire before stepping a foot in it, a rank of master is required.
Explorers and messengers find the jump range very useful, bounty hunters and pirates can count on it's lighting speed to either win with a fast strike or run away when they are caught by surprise, but trader will usually look at other ships because of the less than average cargo capacity.
Price: 550 000c (around 10 millions fully equiped)
Purpose: Hybrid Fighter/Explorer, Courier
Mass: 160t (Cobra is 180t)
Shield: 80 (same as Cobra)
Armor: 100
Landing Pad: Small
Speed: 280
Boost: 405 (5 more than Cobra)
Agility: 6
Jump range: 21Ly (combat) to 27Ly (explorer)
Fuel tank: 8t
Hardpoints: 2 medium, 2 small
Utility mounts: 3
Internals: 4, 4, 3, 3, 1, 1
Cargo (no-shield): 52t max
Description:
The Gutamaya Courier is one of the most iconic ship of the empire, it's high speed, jump range and decent size makes it the perfect ship for action during emergencies or to turn the edge of a lost battle. The empire keep most of them for there most successful operative agents around the universe, and for there most secret actions.
Members of the pilot federations have to prove themselves worthy to the empire before stepping a foot in it, a rank of master is required.
Explorers and messengers find the jump range very useful, bounty hunters and pirates can count on it's lighting speed to either win with a fast strike or run away when they are caught by surprise, but trader will usually look at other ships because of the less than average cargo capacity.
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Judging by its name it is rather build to run than to fight, so noone should expect it to have much firepower, maybe more than an Eagle, but less than a Cobra or Viper. Certainly an excellent ship to trade in rare commodities. To me it looks a bit like the beautiful child of an Eagle and a Federation Shuttle (Federation from Star Trek, not ED), with its warp nacelles.
After seeing the picture of James Bond's Aston Martin DB5 in the earlier post, one can only hope that a silvery paintjob will be available, too. Might look awesome on that ship.
I actually can't say that i have much (or any) sympathy for the empire (bloody arrogant vain clothes hangers with babaric medieval Weltanschauung, all of them [/SWEARING MODE OFF]), but their ships are breathtakingly beautiful.
After seeing the picture of James Bond's Aston Martin DB5 in the earlier post, one can only hope that a silvery paintjob will be available, too. Might look awesome on that ship.
I actually can't say that i have much (or any) sympathy for the empire (bloody arrogant vain clothes hangers with babaric medieval Weltanschauung, all of them [/SWEARING MODE OFF]
), but their ships are breathtakingly beautiful.
funny
150 million would be too cheap price for a ship like that.
So, you think that what is essentially just a fast and maneuverable Asp with less cargo space and can be defeated by a 22m Clipper, should cost more than 30x times the price of an Asp?
Yes it would be the best of the small/medium ships and the most expensive by far, but still not better than the big ones.
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With those stats it would be too good.
Those stats are not much better those of an Asp, specially if you lower the armor/shields which I didn't mention anything about in my original post. Its only faster and more maneuverable, with worse durability and lesser cargo space and at 3x the cost. I don't think is unreasonable.
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