pay 240euros and become an alpha tester

This statement is ridiculous, I could not be more a) a fan, b) committed or c) willing to help as much as i can with the game. the point is I am not in a particularly well paid job, have a young family and have the usual mortgage, bills etc to pay. By your standards perhaps I should render my family homeless to show I am 'committed to the devs and the game?' I have backed the game as much as I could afford, I realised straight away that I would not be participating in the alpha phase, I am fine with this. Please refrain from making sweeping genral garbage statements like this.

As said, ridiculous.

I think he forgot a "little thingy" in the phrase that would make it make sense:

"My impression is that people with plenty of disposable income not willing to back the game for 200 pounds aren't really interested in helping out the Devs. "

Now, my take on this - I did spend quite some money on the KS (embarrassed to say how much) - including Elite book support. But while I have great memories from Elite and great faith on FE to deliver a magnificent game, at the end of the day, it is still a game. And value for money, real life priorities do apply.

For me it was a significant amount. For other people that same amount would be pocket change (the SC High admiral type of backers :p). For others that amount would be unreachable. That doesn't automatically translate into I can give better advise on the alpha or am more "committed" than someone who pledged less.

What a high amount usually ensures is that the game is significant to the person, and also serves - willingly or unwillingly - as a filter for less mature (I really mean younger, but age is getting me also) people. Problem is it prevents people with high engagement/commitment and maturity but with less disposable income to enter.
 
This statement is ridiculous, I could not be more a) a fan, b) committed or c) willing to help as much as i can with the game. the point is I am not in a particularly well paid job, have a young family and have the usual mortgage, bills etc to pay. By your standards perhaps I should render my family homeless to show I am 'committed to the devs and the game?' I have backed the game as much as I could afford, I realised straight away that I would not be participating in the alpha phase, I am fine with this. Please refrain from making sweeping general garbage statements like this.

As said, ridiculous.

Consider joining the standard beta and contributing to the development of ED at that phase of the dev cycle.

Standard Beta is scheduled for early 2014 and costs only a little more than the retail price of the game so you do not have to wait that long to contribute to the game's development if you so choose.

I'm sure ED has more than enough Alpha testers to help them with their current testing phase. ED has to make a judgement call as to how many Alpha testers they want to work with at this time. Most game devs only have closed Alpha and closed or limited betas. I only know of one game that has a huge Alpha testing pool and that is Star Citizen. Since Star Citizen is in pre Alpha, with the first real game play module called "dog fighting" to be released in early 2014, it remains to be seen if SC's approach of opening Alpha to 100,000 plus gamers is a help or a hindrance to their dev team. It will be interesting to see how SC handles the huge volume of feedback that it has elected to deal with.

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Also correct me if I am wrong but, I don't see any NDR on the ED Alpha videos so anyone can positively contribute to ED's game development right now by providing constructive criticism and good ideas on this open forum. I have no doubt that well received posts on this forum will be read and seriously considered by members of ED's dev team.

Alpha and Beta testing is as much about bug finding and stress testing the system as it is about contributing new ideas and suggestions for game improvements.
 
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Wow, lot of hot steam here. Let's calm down, please :)

First, people claiming Alpha price damaging Frontier reputation - I think you and I live in quite different worlds. In my world, Alpha is game in unfinished state, very rarely shown to even investors. In fact, it is usually meant internal process, where developers come together at one part of software and plays with it. Or they hire people to do it. It is almost not released out to general public. Never.

Now, last three years we have seen rise of KS projects, were alpha access is one of backers rewards, Steam did it's Early Access thingy and suddenly everyone feels that every developer should give them alpha access. Still, it doesn't mean everyone agrees with this strategy. I mean, look at feedback and backslash to Godus, which looked alright game to me (too much clicking though), but most of people complain about unfinished state. Guess, they really don't know what 'Early Access' mean then, do they.

But in the end choice is entirely up to developer! Guys, if you would be rather famous writer, who has set aim to write very good novel, and would have written one very nice chapter. Would you show it to everyone around the world? Mostly no, right? You would show it to your friends. You would show it to your publisher, or your donor. You would show to people which input you value.

In the end, everybody will receive your novel in full form! Showing alpha to someone is form of trust. Now, if I have said that you pay 100 USD for early access to novel, and you have agreed, you have expressed your interest to evaluate what I wrote. Yeah, sometimes people pay just because they can, but usually they want to get something out of it. So paying so much in this case serves as *expression* of interest to be involved in process.

Also you should understand that FD is very conservative with showing things. We haven't seen majority of the ships, we haven't seen cockpit of other ships, we haven't seen stations, we haven't seen planets from LEO, etc. etc. etc. They don't want to *spoil* game. They want it to show fully, which essentially goal of beta. Alpha is really not meant as sort of mini game, but to test core concepts of the game, so they are nailed down before we move to premium beta.

It is nothing personal, it is just way things have turned out. I myself even don't have so much money for anything outside food and shelter. I paid my digital download pack because I felt justified to do that - and I even didn't plan to get into second stage beta. I really want to understand why so many people worry about not getting into alpha. We have just excellent community - I never expected call to arms for videos and streams to be so wide! People explain every little bit! We get to know different tactics, interesting bugs!

Beta will be here, and if FD keeps up with the polish of last alpha, it will come here soon enough :)

Alpha at 200 pounds was interesting choice of tier during KS. But it was choice FD made to attract funding and to avoid to sell lot of in-game content for unreleased game. As of DDF tier of 300 pounds, lot of people expressed doubts about this. Now they are really happy campers. That's price of being backer who puts his money and trust into hands of someone asking them that money. That's essence of kickstarter and crowdfunding. Let's respect that promise and let's not worry about missed chances.

Because in the end everyone will have full complete game :) And that's what matters.
 
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This statement is ridiculous, I could not be more a) a fan, b) committed or c) willing to help as much as i can with the game.

Then you must appreciate that people who HAVE pledged that amount would be rightly ed if you got that privilege for a lesser amount. Nobody would argue that ED's kickstarter campaign was the best money making venture it could be, but they've made their bed and we have to lie in it.

Pretty sure they don't need any more Alpha opinions no matter how eager you are to help.

Please refrain from making sweeping general garbage statements like this.

No I'm good. Like I said, it's the impression I get, and even if you are an exception to my impression (holy hell... who'd a thunk it's possible for individuals to be different!), my impression still stands.

In return, feel free to disagree, and feel free to call my opinion rubbish. I won't hold it against you.

I think he forgot a "little thingy" in the phrase that would make it make sense:

No, I didn't. He forgot the distinction between willing and able.

I also don't have the money to spend. But my reaction is "Oh, obviously they don't need me to help" and get on with my day, watching alpha streams and looking forward to the Betas :D
 
Welcome.

Frontier clearly don't want a massive influx of players at the alpha stage, hence the high price. If you let this colour your perceptions of the rest of the game, well more fool you to be honest, because not being in the alpha won't affect your enjoyment of the game one iota.

As successful as Star Citizen's campaign has been, I really feel for Chris Roberts. Their alpha is going to be an absolute bloody nightmare to administer, the sheer number of players is going to cause them a lot of problems early on.

You are quite right about the Star Citizen. Spend $35 and you got yourself access to alpha/beta. You have to realize SC is just grabbing money at this point, however they can. I just hope they do not turn SC into another StarTrek Online or SWTOR where you can battle in space and as well as on ground. I am pretty sure there are plenty of better FPS out there. FD did outstanding job by keeping limited players into Alpha and one way to control this is by Prices and different stages of Alpha.
 
FD did outstanding job by keeping limited players into Alpha and one way to control this is by Prices and different stages of Alpha.
Am I the only one who finds such a concept thoroughly appalling? I prefer it when the price is based on the quality of what's being delivered...
 
Am I the only one who finds such a concept thoroughly appalling? I prefer it when the price is based on the quality of what's being delivered...

I agree with you on principle, but in this case I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. As others have said, Chris Roberts will have to listen to the din of 300,000 alpha backers. There's no way that will be anything but damaging to the end product.

So far Frontier Developments design decisions have been golden IMO. I like the tactics they're taking and I think we will win (as players returning to the elite universe) in the end.
 
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I completely agree with you that a price filter is an effective way to keep the number of testers down; however (and this is something you and I both agree on), "effective" doesn't always equal "nice".

I also completely concur that Chris Roberts is going to face tremendous difficulties.
 
Then you must appreciate that people who HAVE pledged that amount would be rightly ed if you got that privilege for a lesser amount. Nobody would argue that ED's kickstarter campaign was the best money making venture it could be, but they've made their bed and we have to lie in it.

Pretty sure they don't need any more Alpha opinions no matter how eager you are to help.



No I'm good. Like I said, it's the impression I get, and even if you are an exception to my impression (holy hell... who'd a thunk it's possible for individuals to be different!), my impression still stands.

In return, feel free to disagree, and feel free to call my opinion rubbish. I won't hold it against you.

A) I never asked for that privilege for a lesser amount
B) I never questioned the make-up/format of the kickstarter
C) Never stated that I was 'eager' to join Alpha/give my opinion, in fact I stated that I knew I wouldn't be in the alpha and was fine with that.
D) You're impression is wrong on many counts, in fact it is you that is suggesting that all who haven't backed to alpha don't support/care/support the game, therefore, you are suggesting people are not 'different' if they have not backed to an Alpha level.
 
Am I the only one who finds such a concept thoroughly appalling? I prefer it when the price is based on the quality of what's being delivered...

Bear in mind that your £200 is not buying a product in the usual sense, it's buying participation. How can you define the "quality" of being allowed to participate in an alpha test? It's either worth it to you, or it isn't.

I think the trouble is that the alpha looks like so much fun, it's easily confused with a purchasable, game :) And once that mis-perception has been made, it looks expensive of course.
 
A) I never asked for that privilege for a lesser amount
B) I never questioned the make-up/format of the kickstarter

It seems you've jumped in to a reply that I was giving to someone else, so I've confused your stance. Sorry about that.

C) Never stated that I was 'eager' to join Alpha/give my opinion, in fact I stated that I knew I wouldn't be in the alpha and was fine with that.

No you never did. I implied that's what you wanted when you said you couldn't be more eager to help the devs. To me that says "If me getting the alpha cheap could help the devs, I would do that". I apologise.

D) You're impression is wrong on many counts, in fact it is you that is suggesting that all who haven't backed to alpha don't support/care/support the game

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Just because people not willing to pay 200 pounds for Alpha aren't interested in helping, does not automatically imply that people who can't afford,can't justify the alpha don't want to support/care/support/whatever. You've twisted my meaning there somewhat. I, for instance, am willing to pay the 200 pounds for Alpha... If I thought I could help any. I just don't have the time, or the spare cash, or even think I could add anything that everyone else on the alpha can easily add. I'm willing to pay, it just wouldn't do any good.

don't support/care/support the game, therefore, you are suggesting people are not 'different' if they have not backed to an Alpha level.

Not sure what this means so I can't agree/disagree
 
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