Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[fademist]

I have played EVE (same name, for 2+ yrs) and I can safely say - that didn't work out so well.

PvPers whine that "carebears" won't go out to their space (again, people wanting baby seals to club) and when they get fed up of being ignored, they equip disposable ships and suicide gank players in "safe space".

Back when I played, it was possible to outrun CONCORD (aka hand of God, the Police service) and get away. I'm told this was fixed, hence now they just fit out cheap ships and kill low level players with ease, then respawn, fit another ship and go again.

People like that were either connected to BOB or.....

/drum roll......

GOONS !!!

u forget some other things jock about that problem there...1) was possible to insurance the ship equip with t1 mods suicide and have a profit until they fix it;p
2) CCP always nerf empire space to force ppl go to low-null after the null-low ppl moan about it (and with that even lineage or a random f2p have more ppl than eve)

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Many have...and then, when they realize that it can never happen...meh!

Even SC will never have 5k players doing something together!

i think even sc will have like ed setup if im not wrong though;p

 

[Jockey79]

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I suppose nothing is perfect but when I talk about interaction I mean players working together to achieve a goal and I though this could be a way..

And you can do just that, in a private group that has lots of members
See this is also where the Flexi-player comes into its own, people can choose who they want to play with, if you want co-op gameplay - you can, if you want adversarial game play, you can.

Go check out the groups sub forums - and join Mobius

Oh, and for the record, I used to live in unsafe space in EVE. It was really easy to avoid the gank squads with the right setup. Also having Alts came in handy

 

[fademist]

And you can do just that, in a private group that has lots of members
See this is also where the Flexi-player comes into its own, people can choose who they want to play with, if you want co-op gameplay - you can, if you want adversarial game play, you can.

Go check out the groups sub forums - and join Mobius

Oh, and for the record, I used to live in unsafe space in EVE. It was really easy to avoid the gank squads with the right setup. Also having Alts came in handy

same here ..i farmed billions with my trusty rusty nidhoggur

 

[Jockey79]

Even SC will never have 5k players doing something together!

But the real question is, will they have a mega thread about it

 

[Fire70]

And you can do just that, in a private group that has lots of members
See this is also where the Flexi-player comes into its own, people can choose who they want to play with, if you want co-op gameplay - you can, if you want adversarial game play, you can.

Go check out the groups sub forums - and join Mobius

Oh, and for the record, I used to live in unsafe space in EVE. It was really easy to avoid the gank squads with the right setup. Also having Alts came in handy

I tried to join no one got back to me ...

What about those who want interaction but don't want interaction that means their destroyed without their consent? There is nothing for us.

I don't mind handing over some cargo to pirates and enjoy the challenge of avoiding them but don't want to be destroyed for no reason. I can't play it my way...

 

[Jockey79]

I tried to join no one got back to me ...

What about those who want interaction but don't want interaction that means their destroyed without their consent? There is nothing for us.

I don't mind handing over some cargo to pirates and enjoy the challenge of avoiding them but don't want to be destroyed for no reason. I can't play it my way...

Very odd, I know it can take a day or so for Mobius to see / accept the request, but he doesn't ignore any.
You may want to check and send a request again, just in case.

And, I think SC is also confused to what it is - as I just read the features list and it also has things listed that don't fit;

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- The game is predominantly PvE
- The game is made to be Solo player friendly, you can experience the full game universe alone, without the need to join a large guild (No Guild territorial zones)
- Non-consensual PK allowed everywhere, however PK-ing in UEE space can result in penalties to the attacker.

It is a PvE game, with forced PvP everywhere !? Surely that makes it a PvP game !? Oh and it's Solo friendly - like, how !? And read on, they are indeed instanced like ED.

I think I do foresee a few threadnaughts over there once the game is live

 

[Asp Explorer]

One hugely worrying thing on that list - the facial capture with webcam

Can you imagine how some portly trader will react when he gets pirated by the old hot-chick distraction trick, or infinitely worse, a sea of furries?

 

[Faded Glory]

I tried to join no one got back to me ...

What about those who want interaction but don't want interaction that means their destroyed without their consent? There is nothing for us.

I don't mind handing over some cargo to pirates and enjoy the challenge of avoiding them but don't want to be destroyed for no reason. I can't play it my way...

Well, you can also form a group. Post on the group forums what you're looking for, and what your rules would be. Who knows, there may be quite a few players who would enjoy a consensual PvP experience.

 

[fademist]

Very odd, I know it can take a day or so for Mobius to see / accept the request, but he doesn't ignore any.
You may want to check and send a request again, just in case.

And, I think SC is also confused to what it is - as I just read the features list and it also has things listed that don't fit;

View attachment 43215

- The game is predominantly PvE
- The game is made to be Solo player friendly, you can experience the full game universe alone, without the need to join a large guild (No Guild territorial zones)
- Non-consensual PK allowed everywhere, however PK-ing in UEE space can result in penalties to the attacker.

It is a PvE game, with forced PvP everywhere !? Surely that makes it a PvP game !? Oh and it's Solo friendly - like, how !? And read on, they are indeed instanced like ED.

I think I do foresee a few threadnaughts over there once the game is live

im takeing the liberty to post that jockey to the ones thread that he finds ed atrocity and sc the holy grail lol...

 

[DarkWalker]

And, I think SC is also confused to what it is - as I just read the features list and it also has things listed that don't fit;

- The game is predominantly PvE
- The game is made to be Solo player friendly, you can experience the full game universe alone, without the need to join a large guild (No Guild territorial zones)
- Non-consensual PK allowed everywhere, however PK-ing in UEE space can result in penalties to the attacker.

It is a PvE game, with forced PvP everywhere !? Surely that makes it a PvP game !? Oh and it's Solo friendly - like, how !? And read on, they are indeed instanced like ED.

I think I do foresee a few threadnaughts over there once the game is live

Which is why I disregard that SC will even have an official server

Besides, mods. Supported by the game, but only if you don't play on the official server.

BTW, supposedly SC's matchmaking will also take into account what you are flying, how large your group is, and your skill level, in order to reduce the number of one-sided fights. Going to be kinda funny if a full pirate wing armed to the teeth becomes unable to stop individual traders simply because they aren't matched together

 

[Fire70]

Well, you can also form a group. Post on the group forums what you're looking for, and what your rules would be. Who knows, there may be quite a few players who would enjoy a consensual PvP experience.

True I could but it would involve the extra management of the group. I'm not sure if that would be time consuming or not. I would like one big group where we all could play together and if you want to be naughty then go to the naughty area...

RE: SC t sound like it is also trying to be something for everyone. I have the feeling it like ED is a start up type so they need to try and generate as much money as they can..

 

[Faded Glory]

True I could but it would involve the extra management of the group. I'm not sure if that would be time consuming or not. I would like one big group where we all could play together and if you want to be naughty then go to the naughty area...

RE: SC t sound like it is also trying to be something for everyone. I have the feeling it like ED is a start up type so they need to try and generate as much money as they can..

Unfortunately, I don't think all the 'naughty' players want to play only (or even at all) with other naughty players, and therein lies the problem.

 

[Mouse]

I finally got into ED and love it. I'm a new player and yes I'm in solo. I admit I want the social interaction of the Open system, but in truth I am deathly afraid of it. Wanting information about the Open system I browsed looking for threads (over a years worth of posts) leading to this one and reading what I could, it didn't alleviate anything. I may be cynical but I feel that a lot of the people who advocated for there to be only the Open world are doing so because they want to gank others, they want more targets. People have brought Eve into the discussion and that is, in my opinion, the wrong thing to do as Eve I feel is becoming the ganker's paradise.

I admit, I'm a "Carebear" if I ever PVP'd it was either forced onto me or in a match with friends, something quick, I've never fared well in open PVP. I used to play EvE, pretty religiously too. Sometimes ventured into null space, sometimes has a "war" with friends, but it was always with those who wanted to fight and knew when I did that I was talking a risk. Day I left was the day I lost over 2 years of work to a gank squad in disposable ships in high sec while enroute to bringing a Tengu chassis to my home system to finally build it. It's like spending 2 years working on a sculpture then just before you finish it a group of jerks walk up with sledge hammers and turn it into rubble before punching you in the stomach and going "You mad bro?" To them it was joke.. to me.. took the breath out of the game. Frankly while I want the social interaction I do not want that same to happen here as someone gets their jollies off by trying to ruin another's gameplay.

 

[Bladerunner]

For Best results - play Powerplay in SOLO mode

Hello everyone. I have been playing Elite Dangerous since Alpha. Also, I have been playing Powerplay since it came out. I have been playing for a few hours a day, sometimes 8 hours a day. I am a Lavigny supporter. I decided to undermine the Expansion of Winters and went to Peppers system.

Upon arrival I was interdicted by 2 human players (Mahon). One was in a Cobra and 1 in a Vulture (I was in a Clipper). We fought and i killed them both. I received no merits for it, but it was a lot of fun! I jumped to a nearby

Independent system to repair and rearm. I noticed that i received 800,000 K for killing those 2 Commanders. Wow! I have never had such a large bounty before. I was afraid to go back to Peppers in the "OPEN" play to hand in my vouchers.

So, i went SOLO. As i was flying to the station in Peppers, I saw Federal Agents and Fed-Aids. I started to interdict them (I was in SOLO). They kept on spawning and it was like fishing in the barrel. In 3 hours I have made 1100 merits.

It was boring , but i wanted to reach rank 4 and get my 5 MIL credits. I have made more than double the merits in 3 hours in SOLO than I did in 5 days in the OPEN.
I went back to the Emprire to cash in. Winter's opposition for Pepper system before me cashing in was 5187. After i cashed in , the number climbed to 5293. I did so well to undermine their expansion!

What did i learn? For best results - play Powerplay in SOLO mode. The whole time i was hunting for Fed Aids and Federal Agents in SOLO, i was not bothered by any of the players. I was the only fisherman! I had the pond to myself. Those

Fed Aids were spawning from thin air non-stop! I had no competition, distraction, opposition from other players. I had no competition! All NPCs were very week and did not stand a chance to my 180 MIL Clipper.
When we did not have PowerPlay - SOLO or OPEN did not matter much. Now, it definitely does - BIG time.

Now, i do not care about Powerplay anymore. If you want to make a difference in Powerplay- grind (either by shooting helpless NPCs or hauling cargo with no one to bother you). There could be no blockades by players, no one will bother you killing Haulers and Type 6s for your merits , or you can fly Type 6 yourself and haul your Power's cargo with no one being able to kill you - you just boost away when interdicted.

Frontier did not only screw over Single player camp of people , but the multiplayer camp of people as well. The only people who want SOLO and OPEN merged (Shared galaxy) are the ones who grind in SOLO and PVP in the OPEN. The majority of people want ether Full multiplayer or Full singleplayer. Like I said before - For Powerplay - IT MATTERS A LOT.

Like that saying goes - if you chase 2 rabits , you won't catch neither one. (the rabits are OPEN players and SOLO players).

As for me, I am going to grind for credits in SOLO (if the system lets you abuse it, why not? I am not stupid to gring in the OPEN) and PVP in the Open. However, there is only so much PVP I can do before i get completely bored (without meaningful context). By the way- whenever you go to a contested system in the OPEN , you NEVER see a Type 6, Type 7 , or Type 9. People are not stupid to FORTIFY in the OPEN. In the contested system, it is usually a wing or 2 of players waiting at the NAV beacon, waiting to interdict a lonely player or a poor human soul in Type 6. Just flying in circles, lots of fun! Why don't we have community goals or any sort of meaningful events in the asteroid Fields (Obi Wan VS Jango Fett style)? There is no PVP in the asteroid fields?

What are some other good games outthere? Witcher 3? Project Cars? until Star Citizen comes out? Honestly, this OPEN and SOLO Powerplay is plain stupid. I have been playing video games for over 20 years , including the original Elite.

Frontier screwed up with this one. I dont know what the solution to the problem is. Maybe if you choose SOLO, your actions wont affect OPEN players in Powerplay for a week? Just like their weekly cycles with Powers? Nah, it is too complicated and convoluted. Time to move on to another game....

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

That is true, catering to both leaves a bitter taste in everyone's mouth, noone is left satisfied.

I don't see the explorers complaining, nor the solo / group players .. I suspect they are all satisfied.

It's just the PvP players who object to the other ways of playing as they don't have as many target to shoot

 

[Fire70]

Unfortunately, I don't think all the 'naughty' players want to play only (or even at all) with other naughty players, and therein lies the problem.

DON'T SPOIL IT!!!! It was my dream.....

I finally got into ED and love it. I'm a new player and yes I'm in solo. I admit I want the social interaction of the Open system, but in truth I am deathly afraid of it. Wanting information about the Open system I browsed looking for threads (over a years worth of posts) leading to this one and reading what I could, it didn't alleviate anything. I may be cynical but I feel that a lot of the people who advocated for there to be only the Open world are doing so because they want to gank others, they want more targets. People have brought Eve into the discussion and that is, in my opinion, the wrong thing to do as Eve I feel is becoming the ganker's paradise.

I admit, I'm a "Carebear" if I ever PVP'd it was either forced onto me or in a match with friends, something quick, I've never fared well in open PVP. I used to play EvE, pretty religiously too. Sometimes ventured into null space, sometimes has a "war" with friends, but it was always with those who wanted to fight and knew when I did that I was talking a risk. Day I left was the day I lost over 2 years of work to a gank squad in disposable ships in high sec while enroute to bringing a Tengu chassis to my home system to finally build it. It's like spending 2 years working on a sculpture then just before you finish it a group of jerks walk up with sledge hammers and turn it into rubble before punching you in the stomach and going "You mad bro?" To them it was joke.. to me.. took the breath out of the game. Frankly while I want the social interaction I do not want that same to happen here as someone gets their jollies off by trying to ruin another's gameplay.

Wow that is a real bummer, two years work.. Seems my understanding of Eve is wrong, I did think in high spec space it was impossible to kill others because police turned up straight away.

Maybe all that is needed is having systems as PVE and others as normal. I'm not sure how hard that would be though..

 

[fademist]

I finally got into ED and love it. I'm a new player and yes I'm in solo. I admit I want the social interaction of the Open system, but in truth I am deathly afraid of it. Wanting information about the Open system I browsed looking for threads (over a years worth of posts) leading to this one and reading what I could, it didn't alleviate anything. I may be cynical but I feel that a lot of the people who advocated for there to be only the Open world are doing so because they want to gank others, they want more targets. People have brought Eve into the discussion and that is, in my opinion, the wrong thing to do as Eve I feel is becoming the ganker's paradise.

I admit, I'm a "Carebear" if I ever PVP'd it was either forced onto me or in a match with friends, something quick, I've never fared well in open PVP. I used to play EvE, pretty religiously too. Sometimes ventured into null space, sometimes has a "war" with friends, but it was always with those who wanted to fight and knew when I did that I was talking a risk. Day I left was the day I lost over 2 years of work to a gank squad in disposable ships in high sec while enroute to bringing a Tengu chassis to my home system to finally build it. It's like spending 2 years working on a sculpture then just before you finish it a group of jerks walk up with sledge hammers and turn it into rubble before punching you in the stomach and going "You mad bro?" To them it was joke.. to me.. took the breath out of the game. Frankly while I want the social interaction I do not want that same to happen here as someone gets their jollies off by trying to ruin another's gameplay.

here if u want u can join a group ...go to group forum and go for mobius

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

here if u want u can join a group ...go to group forum and go for mobius

I would 2nd that option - I know Mobius and he's a good guy, and through hard work (as maintaining the group is!) he's brought together players of a like mind : It's 99% PvE (gentlemans agreement - if people do kill you take a screenshot of your death and send it to Mobius - he will ban them from the group) and 1% PvP, but only in War Zones ... If you avoid them you never need fight another player and those that you do meet will be friendly

 

[Fire70]

I don't see the explorers complaining, nor the solo / group players .. I suspect they are all satisfied.

It's just the PvP players who object to the other ways of playing as they don't have as many target to shoot

No you see complaints about not getting looked after and that all the emphasis is going into Open. Have a look around. Plus many only play solo because they don't want to be killed by others, not because they want to play solo.

Sometime I play in solo because I can't afford to lose my ship to someone getting their jollies but I would much rather play in open. I have no real interest in killing other players but I do like interaction with other players and would like to see the game flesh this out far more.

I would like nothing more than to play with all of you and I would only shoot a Jockey because he doesn't want to play with me..

 

[yul7896]

If you'd come through Pepper in Open and happen to enter our instance, you would've had a lot more fun. We would've blown you up because you are a LD supporter, is that meaningful context? Right now, I'm hating you and yours because of some cowardly combat tactics we experienced in Charunder. As far as I'm concerned we're at war and that's awesome. I don't care who's grinding away at their carpal tunnel in Solo because I'm not worried about credits and merits, I'm worried about enjoying the experience. Which I do, very much so, otherwise I wouldn't do it.

People make it too much about the creds and merits, and totally forget that its pretty fun just to fly a freaking space ship.