Both responses i presume are sarcastic and neither is a good idea. People who want PvP can do it.
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Both responses i presume are sarcastic and neither is a good idea. People who want PvP can do it.
An arena mode isn't a bad idea actually.
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They just want to get me on there to claim the bounty.
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Frontier decided over two and a half years ago what type of game this is - then pitched it successfully with Backers putting in over £1.5M because they liked what they saw. It has always been marketed as a game that can be played solo, with friends or with everyone else:
Elite: Dangerous Kickstarter said:
It's a core feature of the game - every player affects the same galaxy.
Not every player is seeking adrenaline or emotional stimulation - some just want to relax after a hard day in RL.
Hopefully (but probably not for games where rodents reign supreme as the controller of choice....).
I tried to join no one got back to me
What about those who want interaction but don't want interaction that means their destroyed without their consent? There is nothing for us.
I don't mind handing over some cargo to pirates and enjoy the challenge of avoiding them but don't want to be destroyed for no reason. I can't play it my way...
I wonder why....
A thread was started requesting an Open-PvE mode - it would seem that the PvP players are against the proposal.
Exactly - there are those who see all other players as their content and get annoyed when the latter choose not to play with them.
I don't see the explorers complaining, nor the solo / group players .. I suspect they are all satisfied.
It's just the PvP players who object to the other ways of playing as they don't have as many target to shoot
You know, you might have something there....
Increasing the incentive to attack players changes the PvP / PvE balance - given that DBOBE has stated that he considers PvP to be a rare and meaningful thing, I would not expect players to be made even more of a preferential target.
LOL... the irony is excruciatingly delicious.
You entirely misunderstand the diversity of people.
And they are doing it as the many videos and Reddit posts can testify. Interestingly enough, what the PvP focussed organised groups are not doing, is complaining in this thread... Funny that.
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really? well then if that is truly the case then you really really dropped the ball there then. You need to either re-evaluate your expectations of this game OR move on.
anything else is just going to give you angst.
Yes, they are also trying to grab as many folks as possible - but Freelancer did bring a fair few folks together and it's by the same guy (I loved FL, one of my all time favourites).
As for raising money, that is not a problem;
Also, just a quick update for those wanting "interacts" so badly;
There you go folks, that many people to "interact" with in every way possible minus the baby seal clubbing.
So anyone saying they are not a baby seal clubber, see you in there? Otherwise, be honest over what you want
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not with me they wont!. IF you are correct and we get some Orwellian type future where everyone can always see and interact with everyone else and we do not even get to game our own way, then I think I shall be moving to Alaska or some such place and will become a recluse!.
I sometimes game to be social with friends, but even then, my closest friends, as often as not I game to unwind after a cruddy day at work, and I want to interact with NO ONE. I sit in my room, on my own, put my rift and my headphones on and just escape in my own headspace....... maybe with an audio book on if i am exploring or heavy trading. This is why I adore elite, it is pretty much the perfect game for me.
but force me to play with others, esp others i do not know, then my time will be done!.
edit... the more i think about it the more i think the prediction willow made could be made into an episode of Black Mirror!.
I know I am more introverted than many when it comes to gaming (which is odd as I am quite outspoken when it comes to the rest of my life) but everyone is different and have different wants. for those who want constant interactions there are tons of games out there. ED is a rare breed these days
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Robert Maynard
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Less ironic and more "trying to maximise the herd" in my opinion. By keeping all players who like the benefits of Open (being able to meet and play the game with other players) and take subjective penalties (e.g. random PKing for no reason) as part of the "experience" in a single Open mode, opportunities for PvP are increased....
I was going to post something like that over there, but I figured I'd best not. As it would end up being merged here.
But I completely agree with that sentiment. None of this has anything to do with "balance", "being fair", "improving (or fixing) the game" or any other such rubbish.
Those arguments were shot down long ago.
Posts stating the network solution is wrong or that DBOBE is a liar when he says things are balanced (without any proof of either) just show how badly people are scrambling for any excuse no matter how desperate it makes them look, to force non-open players into a style of gameplay they do not want.
I do think FD trying to make a game "for everyone" is setting the bar quite high for themselves, but fair play to them for trying something new (new again! in DBOBEs case). I hope it pays off and I hope everyone can find their corner of the galaxy to be happy in.
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This is true - honestly I'm enjoying the game, play it for fun and don't expect any big changes. I would have preferred if FD gave a little more thought to the design of the multiplayer aspects of the game so it feels more social and MMO-like (because other players, nice ones and not so nice ones, are really the spice of gaming), but it is what it is.
I still consider the "play how you like" in a competitive multiplayer setting a failed design concept. It introduces far more problems than it solves. It may sound good on paper, but in practice... this thread? It's going to outlive the game, however long that takes.
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This is true - honestly I'm enjoying the game, play it for fun and don't expect any big changes. I would have preferred if FD gave a little more thought to the design of the multiplayer aspects of the game so it feels more social and MMO-like (because other players, nice ones and not so nice ones, are really the spice of gaming), but it is what it is.
I still consider the "play how you like" in a competitive multiplayer setting a failed design concept. It introduces far more problems than it solves. It may sound good on paper, but in practice... this thread? It's going to outlive the game, however long that takes.
It was "play it your way" I think - which to me always meant "play it your way (using the methods we've provided)" rather than "play it your way (and we'll change the game to suit you)."
To be honest it seems more of a throwaway marketing phrase.
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This is true - honestly I'm enjoying the game, play it for fun and don't expect any big changes. I would have preferred if FD gave a little more thought to the design of the multiplayer aspects of the game so it feels more social and MMO-like (because other players, nice ones and not so nice ones, are really the spice of gaming), but it is what it is.
I still consider the "play how you like" in a competitive multiplayer setting a failed design concept. It introduces far more problems than it solves. It may sound good on paper, but in practice... this thread? It's going to outlive the game, however long that takes.
Glad that you're enjoying the game - I am too....
The encouragement to "play the game how you want to" that has been given to us from the beginning was, I believe, a large contributor to the success of the Kickstarter pitch. Without that £1.5M of potential player backing, we may never have seen the game.
While some players like their gameplay particularly spicy, others prefer something a bit more palatable with a breadth and depth of flavour - without an overwhelming spice spike. With the choices that we have available to us in the core features of the game, i.e. three game modes; the shared galaxy; mode switching, we are permitted to season our own experience to our liking - it's not just a single pot of "take it or leave it"....
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Find any MMO that has PvE and PvP with active forums.
Read those forums for a while.
You'll notice the exact same lines / arguments from the PvP crowd that you get here. They want non-PvP people enticed/forced/encouraged or outright blackmail into playing PvP.
And most of them don't want to fight each other, they only want to fight those who either won't fight back or are not skilled enough to fight back. As soon as someone becomes skilled enough to fight back, the attackers move on.
So, the balance issue is that the bullies cannot bully people. And that's just not fair is it.
I still consider the "play how you like" in a competitive multiplayer setting a failed design concept. It introduces far more problems than it solves. It may sound good on paper, but in practice... this thread? It's going to outlive the game, however long that takes.
is competive only if u think it is ...
The excitement of Wings !!!
The excitement of Piracy !!!
The excitement of Player versus Pla.... oh wait! Not a single human was harmed in the making of this video;
[video]https://youtu.be/q4PBZ2BpmWA[/video]
Oh spoiler alert;
The video contains "interactions" between players while they bounty hunt and pirate in game.
(The lack of spoiler tag is on purpose)
The excitement of Piracy !!!
The excitement of Player versus Pla.... oh wait! Not a single human was harmed in the making of this video;
[video]https://youtu.be/q4PBZ2BpmWA[/video]
Oh spoiler alert;
The video contains "interactions" between players while they bounty hunt and pirate in game.
(The lack of spoiler tag is on purpose)
"Rare and meaningful" is a completely subjective term, some find pvp "common, but meaningful", others find it "extremely rare/non existent and meaningless", who is correct there?
My idea while making pvp more common will also give it meaning. It can easily be argued that merits can provide extra meaning.
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