I would instantly pay 500$ if Frontier would...

Eolan

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Sorry im new to frontier, i saw the thread and wanted to have a chat about it with a community outside of the usual. We are all spacenerds right?

Hardcore mode? No... Really?!!! :)
 

Jericho

Jericho
Eolan said:
Hows this. At the begining first life everyone is opn the hardcore mode.When you die its just respawn exactly as it is now but your banned form the server. Surely this must apppeal to some? Having never died in elite??? Being acknowledged?
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IMO, This is taking it a bit too far..... nobody should be BANNED from anything.... when you die, you're dead and all your stuff is gone, including your progress, but and you can chose to start a new character on the HC server again.

Instead, if some people want recognition for how long they've lived there could be a 'Days as a Pilot' counter. Although, if all progress is reset on death anyway then the Elite rankings would propbably suffice as an indication of how 'old' that character is.
 

Alex Brentnall

Alex Brentnall
Eolan said:
Sorry im new to frontier, i saw the thread and wanted to have a chat about it with a community outside of the usual. We are all spacenerds right?

Hardcore mode? No... Really?!!! :)
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Ok, sorry that came across the wrong way. Read it in a funny voice not an angry voice, I didn't meant to stop discussion, only point out that there is a thread already existing for the Solo vs open.

To add my thoughts on the other subject of permanent death:
I have absolutely nothing against anyone who wishes for a hardcore mode provided it is optional and obvious enough that new players don't accidentally press the wrong one and start complaining :)
 
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Eolan

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picommander said:
No. Dying would be a dramatic exception. A LOT of drama. And wouldn't happen on a daily base since every human pilot would be extremely careful.
THAT is the point and also the reason why both worlds can not exist in one.
And that is why just creating an "ironman group" wouldn't do cause the rules for groups are way to soft to exclude any abusing.
So the OP has a point: such a separated server "would" make sense. Would give the game so much more depth...
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Someone just said "ramkilled by an anaconda" do you really think that some troll kid would spend the effort to get to that stage in the game just to crash ti into smaller peopel. And don't you think it would be amazing to gang up, tarck him down and get revenge on him, permanently pushing him off the server and erasing his progress? I honestly think it would self police.

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IMO, This is taking it a bit too far..... nobody should be BANNED from anything.... when you die, you're dead and all your stuff is gone, including your progress, but and you can chose to start a new character on the HC server again.

Instead, if some people want recognition for how long they've lived there could be a 'Days as a Pilot' counter. Although, if all progress is reset on death anyway then the Elite rankings would propbably suffice as an indication of how 'old' that character is.
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Yeha thats sounds fine. I think the server bans or timed bans just prevent people form raging and immediately seeking vengeance as another character. Minor quibble but its something that helps that feeling of consequence and from what i've read people tend to appreciate the cooldown times eventually. But yeah optional. Its the key word. And i think youd see less griefing personally. Hacks though. Christ that would be the onion in the ointment.
 

WhosYourDaddyNow

WhosYourDaddyNow
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What are the numbers for you to make that assessment? It would be well worth it if 2000 players world wide would play/ pay for the DLC say.

Ive no problem playing open in a sidewinder since i just started btw, why is the argument always "i cant play the way i want" why cant you play the way the server/universe dictates you should play? Or just avoid the bloody mode altogetehr and play in your other mode which IS catering to you. sure this mode would frustrate and annoy allot of peoplel but some would really like it. As ive said twice, the mechanic only works if everyone is penalised by it, otherwise all those things i suggested were positive fizzle away.

Again im not asking them to put anything else aside in exchange for this mode, It would be an option and i guarantee you'd get allot of traffic. Once the options there people will naturally try it. Some will adopt it. Neither of us can really say for sure but the elite community seemingly wants it or Braben wouldnt have pitched it as an idea in the first place. You seem offended by the suggestion. But honestly noone woudl touch your game.

Whats wrong with AAA gaming now? I have a feeling its because of appeals to the majority just like yours. Most people don't know what it is that is satisfying them in an exchange. I'm not saying paintballs and pain are vital to that experience but i have a feeling it would be half as exciting if they didn't hurt, and yet if you asked the public they'd generally want paintballs that don't hurt.

And yes its fascists on both sides. I think i know whats good for a gamer (probably wrong) and you know whats good for yourself and your friends. However i am suggesting an option that would further entrench us both in our viewpoints :) And youd never have to hear us whine?!! we'd be somewhere else. All 9 of us if that's what you think :)
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(1) "why cant you play the way the server/universe dictates you should play?" - I am sorry for having a preference and a voice and don't enjoy doing EXACTLY what I am being told to do. Seems you would enjoy a fascist regime in real life as well, just for the "challenge"? (I don't mean this seriously but I want to make an analogy of your logic)

(2) I have no numbers to show, but neither have you. All we have to go on is experience. And since FD have their hands full at the moment with the NUMEROUS bugs of PowerPlay, E3 coming up and the next (already decided and being developed) upcoming update(s), allocating time, money and resources to this idea is what I have a problem with. Not the idea in and of itself.

(3) At no point did I claim something like this would change the way I play the game on the live (as is) server. I repeat, the problem I have with its implementation is the time and resources that would be used for (most probably) a handful of players.

(4) WHO TOLD YOU I DON'T ENJOY YOUR WHINING IN THE FORUMS?! From all 9 of you! :)
 

Eolan

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Alex Brentnall said:
Ok, sorry that came across the wrong way. Read it in a funny voice not an angry voice, I didn't meant to stop discussion, only point out that there is a thread already existing for the Solo vs open.

To add my thoughts on the other subject of permanent death:
I have absolutely nothing against anyone who wishes for a hardcore mode provided it is optional and obvious enough that new players don't accidentally press the wrong one and start complaining :)
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Sorry i didnt tkae it that way i knew you were kidding. Im just a bit crap at foruming so i might seem a bit more enthused, unenthused, annoyed, happy than i mean to :)
 

Scudmungus

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Scudmungus
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Prefer PH mode - Pizza Hardcore.

Each CMDR lists favorite pizza.

Wen ship destroyed, yuh gat to buy fi
yuh killa fi dem choice of pizza.

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Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
all this "real men" stuff is irritating, surely "real men" risk their lives in reality Firemen, Soldiers, Police etc.....not spuds trying to be well 'ard in a game.

But even so I believe in choice and if that's what many want and it generates extra cash for FD then yeah I agree to it as long as it doesn't divert attention from the main "normal" game.

I'd call it SM mode. ;)
 

emacinnes

emacinnes
Jericho said:
I would certainly buy the game again to have a second CMDR if there was an exclusive server with HC rules.
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It wouldn't be a server anyway, all they would need to do is flag a player as "hardcore" and only matchmake players together that have the same hardcore flag. But there's a workaround for hardcore for the time being, and there's a multitude of issues with the content at the moment, maybe later for this one, once/if powerplay settles and the missions are de-bugged.
 
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Eolan

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WhosYourDaddyNow said:
(1) "why cant you play the way the server/universe dictates you should play?" - I am sorry for having a preference and a voice and don't enjoy doing EXACTLY what I am being told to do. Seems you would enjoy a fascist regime in real life as well, just for the "challenge"? (I don't mean this seriously but I want to make an analogy of your logic)

(2) I have no numbers to show, but neither have you. All we have to go on is experience. And since FD have their hands full at the moment with the NUMEROUS bugs of PowerPlay, E3 coming up and the next (already decided and being developed) upcoming update(s), allocating time, money and resources to this idea is what I have a problem with. Not the idea in and of itself.

(3) At no point did I claim something like this would change the way I play the game on the live (as is) server. I repeat, the problem I have with its implementation is the time and resources that would be used for (most probably) a handful of players.

(4) WHO TOLD YOU I DON'T ENJOY YOUR WHINING IN THE FORUMS?! From all 9 of you! :)
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Ha well i enjoy whining so that's great stuff!

1) What originally sold me on elite was the statement "elite doesnt care about you" from a review. However I think if you in particular played on hardcore mode, you wouldn't struggle in the early days. your experienced and good at the game right? So youd be playing the same way you do now i mean how often do you actually die in Elite as is? Outside of PVP. Wouldnt PVP just be amazing. The scalpings the underdog victories etc? The ganging up on the big guy. Respawn mechanichs make it a very simple game of progressing financially over time. Which is fine and dandy, i just would love the hardcore mode EVEN MORE.

2) I absolutely dont, which is what i was saying. I take the point that bugs etc take priority and always should, but say they announced that all profit form this piece of hardcore DLC would only be spent on hardcore? It would fund two-three programmers for a few weeks to implement it? I mean in fairness outside of escape pods etc, its not a costly implemnentation. I agree though, not yet. Maybe 1.5 or 1.6 can add this function? (if you agree you are demanding it be in 1.5 and i will add you to a petition lol :))

3) Again i take that point, im inclined to think its easier than it might seem (no new modelling, game logics, mechanics, just a simple change to how it handles respawning) I would even argue that escape pods etc would add to the other mode anyway. Porbably get us closer to walking around :)

4) Well you'll be sorry when we bring the whole crew in. All 14 of us!

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Leper Messiah said:
all this "real men" stuff is irritating, surely "real men" risk their lives in reality Firemen, Soldiers, Police etc.....not spuds trying to be well 'ard in a game.

But even so I believe in choice and if that's what many want and it generates extra cash for FD then yeah I agree to it as long as it doesn't divert attention from the main "normal" game.

I'd call it SM mode. ;)
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Its funny you say that because for me its the OPPPOSITE, i want to feel weaker and more VULENERABLE in most games i play.

(Irrelevant but I think its from couch playing growing up and having to take turns... A game wasnt fair on either of us if it wasnt punishing every mistake so we could give over the controller more frequently.)
 

deMangler

deMangler
Iron man is the main feature missing. As described in the DDA. Even though it was a core feature and should have been in release, I would pay all over again for it. Game is pointless immortals all get to be rich and elite ATM.
 

Eolan

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deMangler said:
Iron man is the main feature missing. As described in the DDA. Even though it was a core feature and should have been in release, I would pay all over again for it. Game is pointless immortals all get to be rich and elite ATM.
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I was certainly pushed over the purchasing line when i read the post linked to in your sig... Was a bit sad when i saw it had evaporated form the game and now people seemingly don't want it.

Honestly people never actually want what they say they want. Did you ever hear that old "Nescafe: Dark and Rich Blend" anecdote?
 

Jericho

Jericho
Eolan said:
I think the server bans or timed bans just prevent people form raging and immediately seeking vengeance as another character. Minor quibble but its something that helps that feeling of consequence and from what i've read people tend to appreciate the cooldown times eventually. But yeah optional. Its the key word. And i think youd see less griefing personally.
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Ahhh, I see your point now.
Indeed, it will be infuriating to 'die', and many would want immediate vengeance. BUT, wouldn't there be a cooldown already built in? Essentially, you're starting fresh in a stock sidey, and probably really far away from where the death occured.... I think that by the time the new character is able to seek vengence their wounds have already healed, and the original offendor would be LONG gone anyway.

Eolan said:
Hacks though. Christ that would be the onion in the ointment.
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Yes. Hacks suck.... in the game as in real life too.
People cheat, and that's a fact of life.
Thankfully FDev is trying to prevent it, and hopefully in RL when we all meet the Great Score Keeper in the Sky he'll do some shadow bans as well...... ;)
 
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Rhazul Redman

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If there will be ever a serious Server in ED, pls send me a mail. Great Game but weak Design decisions, Carebear Community, Cheatable P2P Software, Whimp-Server-Hopping, etc etc
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Real Man Play other Games those Days...
 
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deMangler

deMangler
Patrick_68000 said:
$ 500? I have already given enough for the game
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Me too - as you know I backed to DDF level. Even so - regardless of any feelings of betrayal or fairness - I would still pay Frontier another $500 for the game that I backed and forgive them everything and happily have them keep the money I have already given them.
*That* is how much I think of the vision that was put together by Frontier and the DDF. It was truly great, progressive, an alternative - a healthy alternative to so much of what we all discussed was the shameful state of gaming these days.
I play ED now in the same way I play Lotro or Eldar Scrolls, with a sense of the inevitability of lowest common denominator homogenous dumbed down 21st century entertainment.
I was hoping ED would be the exception to the rule, it has turned into another example of it. What a tragedy. What a missed opportunity. Especially as DBOBE and Frontier many times expressed frustration with this and a determination to avoid exactly what ED has become.
 
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