Piracy is Broken by 1.3

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First of all, there is no objective right and wrong, thus leads us to subjectivity/intersubjectivity. Therefore, what FD did to us was wrong, and our retaliation is righteous in relative terms, both the polite methodology and the not so-polite one.

If FD wanted, they can shut down their game right now. If you do not clearly define what semantic utilization you are assigning to the word "boss," don't use it.

Yes, let's start the ad hominem game.

I don't like and disagree with your train of thought, you must have some really backward thinking, imo.


If FD wanted they COULD shut the game down right now, but I suspect they care about their reputation and would not do so. By boss I meant FD, but I see how whether I meant them or the targeted player base slated to be pk'd could have been inferred leading to confusion. Lastly to be honest I could care less what you like/don't like, agree/don't agree with as I was just saying my piece and voicing my opinion on what I think is an unreasonable response to a poor decision from FD. If you act in an unreasonable manner don't act or be surprised when you receive an unreasonable result in return. In other words don't be surprised with an unexpected result from your action that not only does nothing to convince FD to change their minds but convinces them to take actions against said profession even further. Pirates that want to role play and are reasonable have my respect as they add to the game, if you head down the dark path and kill players for reasons outside the game you lose that respect and become part of the camp that I feel should be shadowbanned forever and a day if not outright banned from the servers period.
 
If FD wanted they COULD shut the game down right now, but I suspect they care about their reputation and would not do so. By boss I meant FD, but I see how whether I meant them or the targeted player base slated to be pk'd could have been inferred leading to confusion. Lastly to be honest I could care less what you like/don't like, agree/don't agree with as I was just saying my piece and voicing my opinion on what I think is an unreasonable response to a poor decision from FD. If you act in an unreasonable manner don't act or be surprised when you receive an unreasonable result in return. In other words don't be surprised with an unexpected result from your action that not only does nothing to convince FD to change their minds but convinces them to take actions against said profession even further. Pirates that want to role play and are reasonable have my respect as they add to the game, if you head down the dark path and kill players for reasons outside the game you lose that respect and become part of the camp that I feel should be shadowbanned forever and a day if not outright banned from the servers period.

Oh dear...

You are perfectly entitled to voice your opinion after reading mine, however keep in mind that if we label things we disagree with, or instinctually find unreasonable and respond with said irrational replies, you are committing hypocrisy. Not only that, you are abandoning what makes humans human: reason. I thought we grew past the phrase of hurting when hurt, eliminate everything that opposes or is foreign?

We tried to understand that FD made this change by accident and started posting threads about the issue since 1.3's beta. But FD does nothing nor make a response to any of our voiced concerns. Thus, we are approaching with a different line of tactics.

By your train of thought, let's greatly disable a portion of the population, and when it asks for equality, we ignore it. When it provides more pressure to fight for its equality, we shall utilize moral standards that we abandoned when we restricted this portion of the population and banish the said abused population for fighting for equality.

Wh...what? Does this ring a bell with anyone? Like uh... pre 1964 in the US? I thought Birmingham Alabama was a bad enough historical example... oh wait... certain people never learn.

I am a pirate who likes to roleplay, and when my ability to roleplay is taken away, I get angry and I fight for my right to properly roleplay again. Any pirate in their right brain knows not to toss any cargo greater than 20 tons into the sea... If anything it kills the whole idea of roleplay.

"Lastly to be honest I could care less what you like/don't like, agree/don't agree with as I was just saying my piece and voicing my opinion on what I think is an unreasonable response to a poor decision from FD. If you act in an unreasonable manner don't act or be surprised when you receive an unreasonable result in return."

Oh god... and we wonder why complete entitlement of freedom is an abandonment upon morality...

But... as humans, we do things that are convenient, of course.
 
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Like killing traders

Yup, makes perfect sense to me lol

I am of course saying that with all implied sarcasm. At any rate, I think I am done trying to be a voice of reason because one gets a better response sitting in a park talking to the trees and rocks though admittedly I would be worried if I got a response out of them period let alone a logical response.
 
I admit to reading only the first page, so apologies if this has been raised before.

In earlier thread always the claim was: we only ask a small tonnage, so the trader doesn't lose that much and still can make a profit. Us pirates are not that bad.

If this is true, does the OP's complaint reveal that the humble requests of pirates are a result only from scooping speed? That given the opportunity, they would have requested a lot more cargo to be dropped, and that the sentiment expressed in earlier threads was simply puppiecops?

Most of the time we take a small amount, T7 upwards for a single pirate I would generally take 30t and only pirate that person once per play session. When Pirating in a wing, if 3 of us pulled over a T9 we'd ask for 60t or more. In the T9 scenario the T9 would drop and then leave us to scoop.

If you've fired on a ship to remove thrusters or shields then the police are going to turn up. There's no way to be able to have a T9 player sit there for half an hour whilst 3 of you scoop/drone 20t each whilst fighting off the police/bh.

Also if you shoot thrusters out the ship carries on at full speed, to drop multiple lots of 20t over a time period is pure chaos and pretty much silly.

If you add in the chances of log off or combat logging in to the equation it makes the chances of piracy slim. We're already forced in to a "shoot as soon as a trader runs" due to the interdiction cooldown mechanics mixed with high waking.

Whilst calling for indiscriminate killing does sound crazy it's the only thing I think that will get people's attention. Making multiple threads and bug reports hasn't worked and they didn't even put the "fix" in the patch notes. If it was in the patch notes I'm sure a lot of people would have spoken up sooner.

If every honourable pirate stops pirating and starts killing instead, whilst it may give a bad reputation in the short term it will be a valuable demonstration to the community of what things would be like without proper piracy and roleplay.
 
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Yup, makes perfect sense to me lol

I am of course saying that with all implied sarcasm. At any rate, I think I am done trying to be a voice of reason because one gets a better response sitting in a park talking to the trees and rocks though admittedly I would be worried if I got a response out of them period let alone a logical response.

Yes, yes let that ad hominem sink in further, see how far that gets you. Please do not claim to be the voice of reason then proceed to degrade other people's opinions. But I guess that is what is convenient and instinctual to you, oh my, what does that say about you...

Meh, I'll let that thought float somewhere else...

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I'm not usually for mindless slaughter but if it's for a cause then count me in. Traders gonna die. All day. Every day.
If you want, apply to Code, you'll get a good word from me to the higher-ups.
 
Yes, yes let that ad hominem sink in further, see how far that gets you. Please do not claim to be the voice of reason then proceed to degrade other people's opinions. But I guess that is what is convenient and instinctual to you, oh my, what does that say about you...

Meh, I'll let that thought float somewhere else...

Yes because insults also prove a point as well......whatever man...I'm done....have fun storming the castle and all that.
 
So, you're saying voicing your discontent on the forums and other ways to the developers is not enough. But it's all everyone has here. It puts you on level terms with everyone. You make noise on the forum. It's all I can do as well.

The rule is silly, no question. People on the whole seem to agree. Even the players you're about to start shooting at.


Yes, so the next group to be disadvantaged will think: ok, we don't get what we want, trader hunting season.

So you've just put FD in an impossible spot. If they give in, they show they can be messed around with. Do you think they will look at this with a lot of sympathy?

It isn't an easy decision to come to, but comparing to the broken decision by FD, it seems more reasonable and fit into piracy as a role.

FD fulfills the role of game balancing and maintaining its functionality, I don't see how killing a profession performs any of its mission statements.

If pirates are all bark and no bite (no pun intended, stop staring at my avatar/signature), pirates wouldn't be fearsome. I say it is a good role-play opportunity.
 
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My complaint directs only at the cargo limitation for piracy. The amount my syndicate and I request depends solely on the size of the prey, the value and quantity of said prey's cargo. Thus, our focus is still to ensure that we request for a reasonable amount of goods, not a forced decision due to scooping speed.

I am certain that other pirates share the sentiment that if we ask for all cargo a prey carries, the said prey will find trading on the said route unprofitable and leave, which is bad for business.


Exactly the idea is to shear the sheep not to slaughter it but this 20T for the bigger ships is barely clipping it and we cant make money in our chosen profession just clipping it when you factor in operating costs.

As for the scorched earth idea that has been mentioned if it is the decision made by my superiors to do so, then so mote it be
 
Random ganking happens all the time anyways, it's far more common than piracy IME, and most players seem to ignore the chat window.

Unless there's a hell of a lot more of you guys than I suspect there are this little stunt won't rise above the normal PK'ing background noise.
 
Yes because insults also prove a point as well......whatever man...I'm done....have fun storming the castle and all that.
Oh, so you are admitting that you are insulting me? Shall I report you good sir? Because that is against forum rules.

And I have to disagree, insulting people is not a way to prove a point on a public forum, not on this one, at least.
 
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Oh, so you are admitting that you are insulting me? Shall I report you good sir? Because that is against forum rules.

And I allow myself to be pulled back in, no....go re-read the posts.....I never insulted you but you did insult me with your insinuations. Lucky for you I feel no need to do any reporting because I am not that easily hurt, so again......have fun pew pew'ing people who have not even clue 1 as to what your little crusade is all about.
 
And I allow myself to be pulled back in, no....go re-read the posts.....I never insulted you but you did insult me with your insinuations. Lucky for you I feel no need to do any reporting because I am not that easily hurt, so again......have fun pew pew'ing people who have not even clue 1 as to what your little crusade is all about.

So you admit you have no understanding of our cause and this thread in general, at all (because I think you will be one of the targets and still have no idea what it was all about). Good to know, good to know.

I don't think you can withdraw what you said based on context. I do not insult, I disprove other people's arguments with reason and respect every opinion equally, which you do not apparently do.

"I never insulted you but you did insult me with your insinuations."

Oh dear... It's hard to not laugh at this rate... We can play this game all day. Everything is an insinuation against me, I am insulted...

You are the one claiming that insulting people, me in particular in the most literal way is a method to prove a point, which is against forum rules and something that does not quite hold up to the moral standards you establish yourself in when you passed judgement upon this "crusade" of ours...
 
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Is it necessary to have your personal quarrel here? There are private messages for that.

I would love to do that, but you see, when someone claims insulting other people is a valid way to prove a point on this forum, I have to act as a public service announcement and remind people that it is against forum rule. I am the OP of this thread, after all, I feel that I am responsible as much as the mods to ensure the discussion is productive.
 
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