A Lavigny-Duval Cycle Two Target Discussion
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2770 in Teliadjali now.
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That's a good question. The percentage is based off the Trigger Point, and that's what has to happen for either side to win. As it is measured in percentages, and that's how it displays, I assume the highest percentage side/highest bar will win. I can't say I paid attention enough to figure out last cycle.
I'll try to list the stuff you can't get from the Gal map...
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On Gliese:
Traffic: 16 ships.
Wirtanen Gateway: Orbis, no rares, standard Agriculture, 3 ships in shipyard, poor outfitting. The only draw I see here for Torval is the high slave supply at 255,000 (currently 15,700 per). It takes about 1 min (1.2LS) to get from here to Tsilokovsky.
Tsiolkovsky: Orbis, no rares. Black market, no slaves bought or sold here, poor outfitting. Pretty unattractive.
Lemaitr Station: Anarchy civilian outpost, no rares. Black market, buys narcotics at galactic avg, buys Impis at 15,700, which would be good if Impis are discounted at Wirtanen. Also sells regular slaves at 10,355 (137,000 available).
The other two starports and other outpost is 420,000 LS, and Homey don't play that, so I have no clue.
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The main draw here for Torval would be a decent Impi supply to take to nearby systems that she doesn't exploit for a high profit, then bring back stuff Agricultures buy for the return trip. Or, take discounted Impis from Wirtanen to Lemaitr, sell for about +1875 cr/ton, then take slaves out and sell them somewhere (gal avg is 11,100, so maybe profit +1000 cr/ton?).
If it has good Black Market trade, is an Imperial System, and there isn't much to offer us? We let someone else take it. Black Markets are hard to find in Lavigny space. I don't know how many smugglers we host, with our double fines, but we should try to preserve black markets when we don't benefit from taking them.
from the powerplay manual:
it is not the percentage that matters, only the values.
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I just noticed that the discussion was not about expansion, but about fortification of 37 XI Bootis.
In fortifications, the value reached on either side does not matter, only whether they reached their respective triggers. In the case of 37 XI Bootis, both fortification and undermining reached their triggers,
so Hudson loses the 21CC upkeep. Any additional undermining is wasted (except for fun and merits)
Looks like the only Hudson control system left to undermine is 16 Cygni at 1065/2288. I guess that is where I'll be spending my evening.
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Good to know. Though "value" doesn't explicitly mean "number" or "total". It's still annoyingly vague. A percentaged value of the trigger point could be taken to mean "value". Don't you just love English?
Best to assume it means the total number value, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work that way.
The triggers for different actions:
PREPARATION:
EXPANSION:
CONTROL:
EDIT: this is ignoring CC costs but this is the basics
PREPARATION:
- Preparation is successful once enough Corruption Reports have been delivered to a get a System into the Top Ten, minimum to get on the list is 1000 reports.
- If two Powers are competing then Preparation is successful for whoever delivers the most Preparation Items (corruption reports for us) to the System by the end of the week.
EXPANSION:
- Expansion is only successful once the "Expansion" trigger is reached.
- If "Opposition" reaches it's own trigger, from then on it's a race between who can maintain the highest level above the trigger until the end of the week.
CONTROL:
- Fortify is successful once the "Fortify" trigger is reached.
- There is no point in ever Fortifying over 100%. Once 100% Fortify is reached, move on.
- If "Opposition - Undermining" reaches 100%, then the benefits of Fortify are cancelled out. The system remains this way until the end of the turn. There's nothing for either side to do, move on.
- If "Opposition - Undermining" reaches 100% before we can Fortify the System, AND it stays Undermined until the end of the week, then we get punished by the effects.
EDIT: this is ignoring CC costs but this is the basics
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We can't seem to quite shake those Bad Eggs from the bottom of our Preparation basket. Paraesii and Yab Camalo are still getting fed Corruption Reports by someone.
I suspect that whoever is orchestrating these cowardly Fifth Column attacks on our Logistics Networks by feeding Guathiti, has noticed our valiant efforts at bolstering up the rest of our List; They have very likely diverted some of their harmful criminal actions away from Guathiti, and into Paraesii and YC to purposefully keep our preferred targets out.
But this just means one thing: They are afraid of us. They saw what those of us truly Loyal to Arissa Lavigny-Duval are capable of when we all work in concert, and it's made them worried enough to wobble.
We are going to really need a big effort to purge the list of this poison.
I implore all who are capable to haul Corruption Reports, in any quantities you possibly can, to:
HIP 21778
TELIADJALI
KALIVUNIAN
Fly safe, CMDRs
o7
I suspect that whoever is orchestrating these cowardly Fifth Column attacks on our Logistics Networks by feeding Guathiti, has noticed our valiant efforts at bolstering up the rest of our List; They have very likely diverted some of their harmful criminal actions away from Guathiti, and into Paraesii and YC to purposefully keep our preferred targets out.
But this just means one thing: They are afraid of us. They saw what those of us truly Loyal to Arissa Lavigny-Duval are capable of when we all work in concert, and it's made them worried enough to wobble.
We are going to really need a big effort to purge the list of this poison.
I implore all who are capable to haul Corruption Reports, in any quantities you possibly can, to:
HIP 21778
TELIADJALI
KALIVUNIAN
Fly safe, CMDRs
o7
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I have to say, I'm disinclined to say Fifth Column, if only because I implied it last week and it turned out to be another group who just thought they were right. I will point out, however, that those two systems, I believe, are near a few of our Control systems that are currently being nullified. I don't rightly know what is out in that sector of space, but there appears to be enough people based nearby who want to stagnate our stability in that direction. Sure, Calhuacan will always be our first system nullified, because we shoved it so close to the Federation, but Baal, Igal, and others out that direction are taking a fair hammering right now.
I know we've all decided that flying patrols has no real effect, but I do want to add that a couple days ago I saw a Commander pledged to Archon Delaine flying around Kamadhenu with a hold fairly stocked with Lavigny Garrison Supplies. I interdicted him twice, but unfortunately, I had recently removed my Shield Booster, and I barely escaped the last encounter. He was adamant that PowerPlay was horrible and that FDev nerfed the cargo jettisoning (which they limited to 20 tonnes), but why carry around our Garrison Supplies if he was protesting PowerPlay? I even offered to trade him my Mineral Extractors for the Garrison Supplies, and he yelled at me for not paying attention to his protest. Then we fought, and I escaped.
Patrols do not have any real effect on our Control Systems overall status, but, well, they are fun. And if you treat them like an extension of a Bounty Hunter sweep, it both makes Lore sense and earns you money!
Hey guys, by the way, surprised we haven't talked about this before. Maybe we should start adding each other participating here so we can talk things out in game. Would be faster, more private and could even get wings going. I've purchased a T6 so I can aid in the prep process as well.
Feel free to add me in game. CMDR Dbrn
Feel free to add me in game. CMDR Dbrn
Not that you're not already doing enough, but it would be groovy if you could list what control system is closest to the targets. Calhuacan is closest to HIP 21778. Teli is more of a toss up...Calhuacan, Narakapani, Tewi, Delta Doradus, and HIP 16460 are all closest at 50-60 LY away. FWIW, I took one Conda sized load to HIP and one to Teli. Also, Teli was at 4750 at about 11 pm EST.
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TELIADJALI is paying good money for:
consumer tech
superconducotor
performance enhancers
pro gen cells
gold
palladium
imperial slaves
You will get 200cr for food, they sell machinery, slaves and battle weapons, but it has no black market.
I usually try to bring something with the reports to try to subsidize the cost.
Its currently on 4765
consumer tech
superconducotor
performance enhancers
pro gen cells
gold
palladium
imperial slaves
You will get 200cr for food, they sell machinery, slaves and battle weapons, but it has no black market.
I usually try to bring something with the reports to try to subsidize the cost.
Its currently on 4765
So I'm thinking. Since it's clear there's some major combined effort to keep Guathiti #1 on the list, perhaps, when it goes into expansion we can try to discourage people from participating in the expansion. This way, we can just let it fail and not have to worry about it anymore. I also still think it'd be cool for us to add at least major contributors to this effort to in game friends so we can have private discussions and plans.
Yeah I think thats the best plan, but if it is added ti only costs -2.
Its a shame we can't get a system in there thats 70 cc or more in its place, but we can get another 8 or 9 good ones if we keep going.
Narakapani (control system) has gold and platinum that would get about 800cr per ton at teliadjali.
Its only got a small station.
you can sell mineral extractors there for 300.
Anyone know if any of our control systems sell imperial slaves for mid 15000?
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Walotsky Terminal (large) in Arugh (control system) is selling imperial slaves for a 880 / ton profit if sold in Teliadjali
670 / ton for crop harvesters on the return trip.
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Please note that Narakapani only has limited supplies of Gold, Palladian and Silver (no Platinum that I can see). Fewer than 10 tons of each available right now.