The Powerplay discussion thread.

[Cotic]

An example of why these limited reach polls are essentially useless. Using this poll and daft extrapolation we could say that 37.21% of 900,000 backers have spent $770 (lowball figure of 7*$110) on virtual space ships.
The problem being that 334,890 backers * $770 = $257 million which is only $174 million more than the actual $84 million Star Citizen has raised.

 

[Sandmann]

I would say it is generally accepted that forums are biased towards negativity.

Really? By whom? Evidence? Substantiation? Or opinion?

Check the forums if the most acclaimed games and you'll still find scores of complaints.

Complaints are a good thing, they inspire improvement. Without complaints you have stagnation. Only the most insecure developers would see complaints as a bad thing.

The sample size here seems adequate, but the sample is not randomly selected and the 1-item questionaire seems... limited.

The more complex a poll the greater the degree of error. It's not a random selection because optional polls are only ever answered by interested parties, but it's a safe assumption than pro-PP players are as interested as anti-PP players.

 

[xDreadnoughtx]

@Sandmann
1. I refer you to my post in the original poll thread which you clearly missed.
2. Colours can be used to emphasise the intent of the publisher. The political media do it regularly. Thank you Ervig. Also love the pony.
3. Of course it is significant, if the poll is unbiased (intentional or not) in the first place. Since it is not, I can't comment until there is such a poll.
4. No, not as such, but the unconstructive bleating from some posters (present company excepted) is not constructive and is hardly conducive to change. No need to shout.
5. I refer you to point 3.
6. We agree. Major parts of it need rewriting. It is flawed.

Now someone with more time than myself should start and administer (nurture) such a thread.

I have little else to add here, but will be happy to do so on any such other thread.

ATB

Edit: sandmann not sandman - German?

 

[Sandmann]

An example of why these limited reach polls are essentially useless. Using this poll and daft extrapolation we could say that 37.21% of 900,000 backers have spent $770 (lowball figure of 7*$110) on virtual space ships.
The problem being that 334,890 backers * $770 = $257 million which is only $174 million more than the actual $84 million Star Citizen has actually raised.

So because that poll was poorly designed and the results could be subject to "daft extrapolation" you write all polls off as useless? Got a better way of gauging public opinion?

 

[Arithon]

The servers were very quite this weekend.

Is it PowerPlay's fault or nice weather outside? Time will tell.

 

[Flavourless]

To say a poll is meaningless because there is a margin of error in interpretation is like saying a weather forecast is meaningless.
You just have to understand the limitations, and then it is useful.
But understanding around here is in short supply it seems.

FD (via the moderators) deleted a large thread of complaints about the implementation of PP after they had retrospectively addressed some issues, presumably to try to pretend that there were no problems in the first place.
That, like this poll, gives a clue about how the project is perceived by the users.

 

[Sandmann]

1. I refer you to my post in the original poll thread which you clearly missed.

Mentioning it isn't a reference. If you want me to read it give me a link, I'm not going to go chasing up everything you've written. Chances are I didnt' miss it, I just ignored it.

2. Colours can be used to emphasise the intent of the publisher. The political media do it regularly.

... or they can be used to clearly illustrate results. There were no colours in the question, and the answer was binary. Either way the colours have changed now and the answer stays the same.

3. Of course it is significant, if the poll is unbiased (intentional or not) in the first place. Since it is not, I can't comment until there is such a poll.

You've yet to show any evidence of bias.

4. No, not as such, but the unconstructive bleating from some posters (present company excepted) is not constructive and is hardly conducive to change. No need to shout.

Noone's shouting. We're complaining.

5. I refer you to point 3.

I refer you to response three.

 

[xDreadnoughtx]

@sandmann

You are 100% right.
You have won the war of opinions.
Well done and good luck.

 

[Miklos Atreides]

To say a poll is meaningless because there is a margin of error in interpretation is like saying a weather forecast is meaningless.
You just have to understand the limitations, and then it is useful.
But understanding around here is in short supply it seems.

FD (via the moderators) deleted a large thread of complaints about the implementation of PP after they had retrospectively addressed some issues, presumably to try to pretend that there were no problems in the first place.
That, like this poll, gives a clue about how the project is perceived by the users.

This.

Looking a bit closer to those numbers tells us that the userbase is split more or less in a half.
Now the major thing is if Frontier thinks having 50% of users using PP is a success or fail. This will drive the efforts into PP in future.
An this will drive the resource allocation to the other thinks lacking in the game.

Unfortunately I'm afraid that there will be most of resources in PowerPlay regardless if success or fail.

Regards,
Miklos

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

Good poll. Have answered it.

Thanks a ton!

 

[Sandmann]

@sandmann

You are 100% right.
You have won the war of opinions.
Well done and good luck.

Goodo. Now to go and solve world peace.

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

Too busy in PP to be voting on pointless poles.

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

@sandmann

You are 100% right.
You have won the war of opinions.
Well done and good luck.

Whilst I get the above is in jest / sarcasm, you actually can't counter any of his replies can you?

 

[GunslingerSullivan]

Don't get me wrong. I like PowerPlay and I will fully commit to it ONCE I have all the ships and money to spare. The reason for this is Powerplay to me is easy to make profit. So I go back to trading and fighting etc. Now if I am with a Power I am limited to small area of the Galaxy as moving out of this area will be putting a target on my back. This is why I am not joining a Power as I do not want to be restricted to a small area.

 

[LeetNoob]

You have to love the responses.

Only 700? Not enough to mean anything.
The ones who like power play don’t respond to polls
The questions were misleading
The questions were bias
The color of the answers are bias
People on the forums are only the negative ones.
And my personnel favorite, some other poll, about some other game, on some other website looked wrong to me. Therefore this is wrong.

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@sandmann

You are 100% right.
You have won the war of opinions.
Well done and good luck.

He sure did

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

Too busy in PP to be voting on pointless poles.

Because of the way its designed you probably don't have time to eat and sleep either

Don't get me wrong. I like PowerPlay and I will fully commit to it ONCE I have all the ships and money to spare. The reason for this is Powerplay to me is easy to make profit. So I go back to trading and fighting etc. Now if I am with a Power I am limited to small area of the Galaxy as moving out of this area will be putting a target on my back. This is why I am not joining a Power as I do not want to be restricted to a small area.

I thought along those lines but then thought "why?". I still cant come up with a single positive reason to get involved with it, not one and even if I did sign up what is there to do beyond the award of the unique. I imagine at the end of week 4 vast volumes of aligned players will leave and rejoin another faction because what else is there to grind for? It makes the whole thing a complete farce.

Secondly I find it hilarious that the people involved in it are all moving inwards and contesting already owned systems when "behind" them lay 400billion stars. I guess inward competition is the name of the game though, which is what put me off in the first place

 

[LeetNoob]

This.

Looking a bit closer to those numbers tells us that the userbase is split more or less in a half.
Now the major thing is if Frontier thinks having 50% of users using PP is a success or fail. This will drive the efforts into PP in future.
An this will drive the resource allocation to the other thinks lacking in the game.

Unfortunately I'm afraid that there will be most of resources in PowerPlay regardless if success or fail.

Regards,
Miklos

I think the main point form this is only 57% actually tried power play (43% didn't bother) and of those 1/3 actually like it. This means less than 20% of the players tried power play and liked it. For their big 1.3 feature, that's really poor.

 

[GluttonyFang]

You can artificially increase the price of items in your system by destroying and robbing people...

By the time it increases to a optimal, acceptable price, SC probably came out already.

On a serious note, it does not make sense that Piracy should work to increase commodity price only to have traders bring it down within a few round trips. Pirates can't stop all these traders unless pirates somehow militarize and become a large population that somehow intercepts almost every trader open and solo, but that is impossible. Also Background Simulator... let us not go to that dark place.

 

[Mikey2305]

looks a little bit like the voting pattern for the UK general election. resulting in an overall majority for one party

 

[FredTA]

I always find these polls a little misleading, as it only captures the demographic of forum users. I remember a poll I while back: "Are you ok with ED being always online" Most people said yes, but then again the only people who could vote were those who had internet access anyways.