Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[ARGH]

Again, again (Teletubbies!) There is only one "server" as far as Elite is concerned. It works for EVERYONE in Open, Group, and Solo. They are all part of the same thing - just given options on who else they play with. There is a demand for a Offline mode - which would take servers out of the question - but that was pulled a long time ago. Plus, "hide far away" is an intrinsic part of gameplay, except many people call it Exploring. Try it sometime - it's a 3rd of the core gaming loop of Elite.

the mechanics on exactly what the servers are is a moot point. it's just easier to call it another server rather than invisible mode.

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Are you serious? You don't get to choose a damn thing about me.

you guys must never have played a pvp mmo before, lol.

if you have the choice of affecting my world then I have the choice of affecting yours. this is what I meant.

 

[PhazonAran]

you guys must never have played a pvp mmo before, lol.

if you have the choice of affecting my world then I have the choice of affecting yours. this is what I meant.

Someone should have done his research before buying the game... Elite is not a PvP MMO, it is a MMO where PvP is possible but is far from being the focus, it's just an aspect of the game.
Besides, who in his right mind buy a game to then complain about one of its CORE mechanic that was talked about since the kickstarter ?

 

[Asp Explorer]

the mechanics on exactly what the servers are is a moot point. it's just easier to call it another server rather than invisible mode.

And fundamentally incorrect, factually misleading and simply wrong. Here's a question for you - I'm playing the game right now. In Open. I'll even tell you where I am. IC 4665 Sector QL-A B15-1. Am I in invisible mode?

if you have the choice of affecting my world then I have the choice of affecting yours. this is what I meant.

But that is just it - you can! Go flip a system, do some community goal stuff, make some Power take over systems, Burn the Empire or the Feds. You can do all that, and it affects the galaxy, which affects me.

 

[W0OCQCK]

the mechanics on exactly what the servers are is a moot point. it's just easier to call it another server rather than invisible mode.

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you guys must never have played a pvp mmo before, lol.

if you have the choice of affecting my world then I have the choice of affecting yours. this is what I meant.

You know know nothing about me, and still you insult me. I owe you no explanations what so ever. I will suggest to you this however, might wanna contemplate taking it down a few notches.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

you cannot come up with a real answer as to why you should be allowed to go invisible with 100% impunity in an open world pvp mmo,

You should reread the first post. And the third one which Jockey posted.ED is not a traditional open world mmo as it was designed. Also, PvP is not the focus, again, clearly stated in the dev quotes.

so they should just split the servers. you can still have your exact game that you purchased and I can also have mine.

Erm, nope. The game we all purchased allows mode changing. It would not be the same game we purchased.

 

[Mouse]

Now I understand something. People feel better when they could dominate others in background than risking in a fight that they may lost. Well...Frontier allow this choice so we should face it.

People in Open, we can shoot our anger in CQC.

the only people wanting to dominate are you? Please don't project your desires on us.

 

[relayer]

Open is the same mode as Solo except with an added factor of other players there to kill you. Therefore the threat in Open is greater.

That "added factor" is the "dangerous" part that open players claim is fun. And that's your reward.

This "they can kill me in open and then go hide in solo/group" is the furthest thing from my mind and that of many solo/group players. That behavior smacks of the pvp crowd, not the thousands who want to meditate on the galaxy (exploration), those who want a Monopoly-type game (trading) and those who just want to play with a group of friends (group)


Call us any names you wish (just search the thread) but you have your choice, as we have ours. And that is the way FD wants it.

 

[relayer]

the same point all the others posts have...none

I LOL'd. Hard.

 

[Mouse]

then what is the problem of just having one open world server? if you can just hide far away like this why the demand for a solo server? ah, I know why, so you can transfer your wealth around star systems with impunity by entering solo mode, right? tisk, tisk....that is not fair game play, now is it?... I bet you will say that, "but everyone has this choice!". aha, but it really is not a choice. it is a risk avoidance mechanism and it breaks immersion and goes against the fundamentals of open world sandbox game design. if you want the choice of transporting your ships around the game then I want the choice to blockade your efforts.

the ones applauding the solo invisible system under the guise of "choice" are really the ones that are preventing choice!

Wow.. so by your way of thinking... forcing everyone into one mode or another is "choice" giving everyone the option is "anti-choice" ..

I wouldn't mess with other players modes if it did not affect my own. If assets were not transferable between modes, which is how it should be, then there would be no problem.

Why are you so worried about others assets? because you think your way is the right way?

 

[Yaffle]

Well, seeing as you chose to ignore the warning I am closing this for a cool down.

Any new open v solo threads started while this is closed will get a direct infraction and be closed too.

I suggest you all go away and have a cup of tea. Or maybe even play the game.

 

[Yaffle]

Welcome back.

Now, please, play nice.

 

[FuzzySpider]

then what is the problem of just having one open world server?

I play in Open mostly, in Solo sometimes. Open I play because I like the player interactions. However, I go to solo for a more reliable Elite experience. I won't be randomly attacked in a "gamey" way for pew pew pew, I won't get to a station and have "docking request denied" because someone has parked up and gone for their dinner, or are parked up and are waiting for their shields to go up. I won't have someone randomly interdict me and type some meaningless crap at me. I won't get rubber-banding.

If you lock the mods I'll not leave Solo, I'll leave Open. You'll find this to be common - most people when given a choice of one or the other will choose reliability. You'd turn open into even more of a ghost town with this idea.

the ones applauding the solo invisible system under the guise of "choice" are really the ones that are preventing choice!

Solo isn't "invisible", and it doesn't deprive you of any choices at all. You can play the game as you like.

 

[Jockey79]

@ARGH

I suggest you read Post 1 and Post 3 of this thread.
It covers things like your accusations of "cheating" when people use the game as intended - which in this thread is considered baiting/trolling.
You will also learn more about the game design and the Devs stance on it. They like mode switching, they built the game around it and stated they are not changing it. (all comment and links in post 3).

So, quite simply put.

Devs want mode switching and are keeping it, regardless of your opinion.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Solo isn't "invisible", and it doesn't deprive you of any choices at all. You can play the game as you like.

You can play the game as you like, if you don't mind being less effective at CGs or PP, because of that choice.

 

[Robert Maynard]

You can play the game as you like, if you don't mind being less effective at CGs or PP, because of that choice.

It's a case of one choice, i.e. wanting to play in Open to affect others and be in turn affected by them, (possibly, depending on where one is in the galaxy) affecting rate of earnings.

As you say, it's because of that choice - a choice that is available to all players.

 

[SteveLaw]

You can play the game as you like, if you don't mind being less effective at CGs or PP, because of that choice.

If you don't like your choice, change it. That's why we want to keep the choice rather than restricting it.

If I want to concentrate and get some work done I will choose to do it somewhere quiet on my own rather than in a room full of people. If I want to talk to people the opposite is true.

 

[ianw]

You can play the game as you like, if you don't mind being less effective at CGs or PP, because of that choice.

Yup - just as I have to put up with being less effective in open in busy areas against wings when I'm not in a wing because no-one I know happens to be in the area at that time.

That's just how it is.

We all have to take a bite of the crap sandwich now and again.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

It's a case of one choice, i.e. wanting to play in Open to affect others and be in turn affected by them, (possibly, depending on where one is in the galaxy) affecting rate of earnings.

As you say, it's because of that choice - a choice that is available to all players.

We always effect and are effected by others, it's just that the people who like to do it up front, are less effective then thise who don't.

 

[SteveLaw]

We always effect and are effected by others, it's just that the people who like to do it up front, are less effective then thise who don't.

Still missing the big picture aren't you.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

We all have to take a bite of the crap sandwich now and again.

Except the players who don't like to play with others.