Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[smiths121]

I think Mr Law is correct on page 1, but perhaps for different reasons.

We moved away from the core towards the frontier in March. Only players around were us brave few (just trying to build the forntier up a bit).
Since the launch of Powerplay, we are seeing more new players (they outnumber us now), players early in their cycle with Cobras, and some with Asp/Type-7. Primarily solo or a couple of friends playing together mostly trading. I expect to start seeing solo pirates soon, following the solo traders in the near future.

Powerplay, and the geographical area is not overly attractive to the more solo but player who want to play in open - I think they are migrating out of the pp area.

On another note started a 2nd character. I was expecting to be PvP'd to death in LHS 3447, with loads of nubies running from Vultures (hey I was going on the impressions from this forum). I saw a few sidewinders, no-one took any notice of me, got a few tips (not been there since Jan). Goodness, the system is a mess, famine, lockdowns, low Fed influence. Are all Hudson's systems like this?

Simon

 

[SteveLaw]

They are both Multiplayer only and and dayz in particular lets you do whatever you want when you want just like in ED ? Idk can you help me out ? Also Dayz is kind of against PvP so again(devs try hard to make it more pve), can you help me out here?

They are PvP orientated games and/or don't have a server shared with PvE players.

 

[Whiterose]

IMO the issue is that there is hardly any incentive to play in Open unless you're a pirate.
Trading - safer in Solo/PG, spend less time docking as you don't have to wait for a slot.
Combat - more profitable in solo/PG as you don't get your kills stolen
Mining - safer in Solo/PG, spend less time docking to sell ore as you don't have to wait for a slot.
Smuggling - Much safer in Solo/PG, dock time (which is most important thing) not an issue waiting for slots.
Pirate - PVP giggles in Open but if you're just targeting NPCs it's safer/more profitable in Solo/PG
Powerplay farming - safer/easier in Solo/PG
Exploring - doesn't really matter as you won't see anyone in Open.

Unless I want PVP action there's no point in Open, it just makes life harder.

I want harder, I want less safe therefore Open is ideal for me. Each to his own. lol, the solo open argument will still be going on in the year 3301....

 

[Snarfbuckle]

You know the answer don't you, but its going to create a lot of complaints? ED has to change so that PP only works in Open.

Sure, but let's first fix a few things so it's worth playing in open.

1. Peer-to-peer architecture needs to go in order to stop hackers
2. Functioning WINGS mechanics
3. Larger instancing to allow for more players
4. Armour actually protecting modules so that armour and hull modules makes a difference
5. Ability to hit modules from any angle

Those 5 are a start in order for me to bother with Open Play.

 

[PhazonAran]

It does seem that it is mostly the proponents of open play, who complain about group and solo play. And they do have some valid issues, especially around mining, farming RES and CZs - it is far more 'efficient' in group/solo mode.

Open players chose Open to play with others players and complain about the other players ? That's the issue here. Also, it's not hard to find a desert RES, they say it themselves.

 

[Scudmungus]

You see? It doesn't bother you at all if they are separated. So i ask you now, why are all these people here rejecting with all their might my sugestions? What does that affect them ? They still play in Solo anyway why do they give even a squat ?

De option, de choice, be ours. Yuh take choice, option away. Dis be trouble.

Mi game had a choice, an option - I buy game fuh dat. Now you wantin to change?

Why yuh no readin de label before yuh buy?

 

[nedeaalex]

Open players chose Open to play with others players and complain about the other players ? That's the issue here. Also, it's not hard to find a desert RES, they say it themselves.

Open players chose Open to play with others players and complain about the LACK OF other players ? That's the issue here.

 

[SteveLaw]

ACtually i'm not sure if you are trolling me. Is it that hard to grasp what i actually proposed? Separate them. Why does that bother you? Just answer? You can still play both whenever you wish.

Who is going to pay for ~6 separately maintained and narrated galaxies? I'm not.

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It does seem that it is mostly the proponents of open play, who complain about group and solo play. And they do have some valid issues, especially around mining, farming RES and CZs - it is far more 'efficient' in group/solo mode.

Of course it's more efficient, we don't have to waste time shooting each other in the face.

 

[bend_r]

Unless I want PVP action there's no point in Open, it just makes life harder.

But, but, but... harder is _better_!

If there was as hard mode on Elite, I would choose it.

As is is, NPC skills are slowly creeping up on a level that's not a complete disappointment.

see you all out there,
Commander Benderson

 

[nedeaalex]

De option, de choice, be ours. Yuh take choice, option away. Dis be trouble.

Mi game had a choice, an option - I buy game fuh dat. Now you wantin to change?

Why yuh no readin de label before yuh buy?

I read it. Says MMO. I watched trailers. They are ALL about PVP and multiplayer. Welp not so much apparently now that i own it

 

[SteveLaw]

Open players chose Open to play with others players and complain about the LACK OF other players ? That's the issue here.

Separating the modes won't create more players in Open. Previously your issue was about Solo affecting Open. Now it's not having enough faces to shoot.

 

[Lowievisser]

Never ever I have logged a minute into solo or group play. In my humble opinion it is cheating, No matter what ppl say.

 

[Scudmungus]

Open players chose Open to play with others players and complain about the LACK OF other players ? That's the issue here.

Less people? Ah I got dis!

Stop askin for faces to shoot, be makin som friends an be nice to mons - be makin Open pleasant an nice.

Wi want bodies in Open? Be nicer to bodies wi meet!

But wait, som mons not wantin Open to be pleasant an nice? Be makin it bash place - fightin place? Ok!

Then... yuh get dem lookin to bash. Not much else.

It not science. Be truth

 

[KING5TON]

You play in Open if you want to play with players, that's the point of playing Open and it doesn't need another one.

The point is that even if you want to play in Open like I do you're actively discouraged from doing so.
E.g.
I fly to a RES site in open, there's a few CMDRs already there hunting. I could fly from RES to RES looking for an empty one and hope no one else turns up or I could just deal with crappy profits from having kills stolen or I could wing up and deal with the reduced profits and reduced difficulty (it's already super easy) or I could switch to Solo and not have to worry about it.

 

[nedeaalex]

Separating the modes won't create more players in Open.

Yes it will xD. Don't you understand everyone grinds in Solo for PP but they actually want to play Open? The min-maxers go grind in Solo and their Power wins. If they had to make a choice, they would choose Open for sure because they would not like to just Grind for nothing in Solo.

 

[Stormprooter]

You see? It doesn't bother you at all if they are separated. So i ask you now, why are all these people here rejecting with all their might my sugestions? What does that affect them ? They still play in Solo anyway why do they give even a squat ?

They reject your suggestions because they disagree with them. But that is obvious, is it not?
One key aspect of the current game modes is that you can switch between them - but why should that be allowed?
I'll give you some examples:
I play on my laptop, sometimes, I have to travel with work and end up in a hotel with low bandwidth wi-fi, solo is the only option.
Sometimes, I like to play just with friends, we wing up and go off to some RES or CZ and have a blast of a time, without interuption from anyone else.
Other times, I like to fly through open, just to see who I may meet on the way.

Does any of that sound to you like I'm gaining some kind of unfair advantage?
I don't think so, and I'd be a bit peeved if those options were taken away from me.

 

[Gusty]

Well, i was playing last night open doing PP stuff.

Droping into station space i see a wing of 2 wanted ships.

I land my Cobra and think, why should i start in open and run ? To satisfy the pirats ?

I changed to Mobius.

 

[Whiterose]

Quick, back on topic guys n gals before we get merged.......

Lol....too late

 

[rizal72]

Guys, I did't want to start another OPEN vs SOLO Thread, really, I was just sharing my sensations, and received some very good insights from some CMDRs here.
And yes, I've been in some Frontier Systems to support some friends trying to capture a System, and found a lot of Players there and in nearby systems. So perhasps some of you are right.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

You see? It doesn't bother you at all if they are separated. So i ask you now, why are all these people here rejecting with all their might my sugestions? What does that affect them ? They still play in Solo anyway why do they give even a squat ?

While I'm one of those who only plays solo and wouldn't really be affected, this is about a very simple Idea I will always suppoort: Customers get what they payed for.

There are many people who want to switch, who bought the Game because of this, taking it away from them after they bought the game would be a really *peep* move. How would you like it if FD would remove something you like? Bing bang bum open is gone, does not sound great, right?