Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

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As you said, what does and does not fit in the game is for devs to decide. We are just sugesting and speculating here until you guys wake up and decide to strat saying the same old fashioned " i pay X amount and i want to play that X amount" Can weplease have some more thoughtful arguments? Im bored of that really

Yet it is a perfectely valid argument, no matter how much it bores you.
 
As you said, what does and does not fit in the game is for devs to decide. We are just sugesting and speculating here until you guys wake up and decide to strat saying the same old fashioned " i pay X amount and i want to play that X amount" Can weplease have some more thoughtful arguments? Im bored of that really

So you're bored with... other peoples' gameplay...

Or are you bored with not finding people who agree with your statements? Just shooting for some clarification here.
 
I think more Solo players would move to Open if they could have NPC wing men.

the moment a PvP "ganker" faces the same costs as I on ship destruction *** when I am in my python loaded with palladium I shall be back in open all the time - broadband permitting (which still means only 60% of my gaming time).

Until then I shall risk management as I see fit :)

If you catch me and choose to pirate me in open, chances are I shall happily drop some metal for you however :)


**** not necersarily in 1 go, but by lasting consequences for their actions.
 
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The devs did decide, before they started coding, and have regularly repeated their view of keeping different modes with the same universe. The latest was David at E3 last week.
If more and more people come to the game and start sharing my ideals, we will see. Dont starve was full of guys like you. No! we want it singleplayer only let it be singleplay SINGLEPLAYER!!!. After that, people kept coming for 2 years, until they finally decided that so many people said they would buy the game and their friends if it was multiplayer that it would double their sales. So they added it. It's either gonna happen here, or this game is going to be singleplayer(forced because nobody is in Open) and dead in 2 years i guarantee that. After StarCitizen comes out and if it really is what they showed until now, why would poeple on Steam stay here, when they can go there, which fits them better.
 
As you said, what does and does not fit in the game is for devs to decide. We are just sugesting and speculating here until you guys wake up and decide to strat saying the same old fashioned " i pay X amount and i want to play that X amount" Can weplease have some more thoughtful arguments? Im bored of that really

I'd say Open play probably could do with something to make it more attractive. So far, the only open mode exclusive stuff has been the "Race to Elite" competition and the NVIDIA Graphics Card treasure hunt - both of which provided 'real world' prizes.
Perhaps something to boost in-game rewards for playing in open mode would be something to consider, but that risks alienating the solo and group players - so it's a tricky thing. Something that balances out the increased efficiency of solo/group grind may be something to look at.
 
If more and more people come to the game and start sharing my ideals, we will see. Dont starve was full of guys like you. No! we want it singleplayer only let it be singleplay SINGLEPLAYER!!!. After that, people kept coming for 2 years, until they finally decided that so many people said they would buy the game and their friends if it was multiplayer that it would double their sales. So they added it. It's either gonna happen here, or this game is going to be singleplayer(forced because nobody is in Open) and dead in 2 years i guarantee that. After StarCitizen comes out and if it really is what they showed until now, why would poeple on Steam stay here, when they can go there, which fits them better.
With such great Business knowledge and insight you really need to start running a Game company. That will show em!
 
I'd say Open play probably could do with something to make it more attractive. So far, the only open mode exclusive stuff has been the "Race to Elite" competition and the NVIDIA Graphics Card treasure hunt - both of which provided 'real world' prizes.
Perhaps something to boost in-game rewards for playing in open mode would be something to consider, but that risks alienating the solo and group players - so it's a tricky thing. Something that balances out the increased efficiency of solo/group grind may be something to look at.
That's what we've been saying. Either that or separate them. I know separating them is a radical decision so it probably won't happen. But i expect the devs will ad something to at least if not add more reward for Open, make it more challenging. Like i go into a RES and if there are more people there, only Ana's spawn(or at least more of them). Or trading in Open adds a Hazard bonus which gives you say, 5% more money on what you traded. But it is also more dangerous.

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With such great Business knowledge and insight you really need to start running a Game company. That will show em!
I will be here in 2 years to wipe the dust don't worry. After most of players like me left and nobody buys the game because all the Solo guys already have it, how will they keep servers up?
 
Forgot to multi quote your other post about seeing everyone, but you got that so wrong it was laughable nedeaalex.

Even if Solo and group were removed, you cannot see every other player. The instance you play in can only hold thirty two (32) players as a theoretical maximum. Practical tests have only ever gotten twelve (12) people in to one (1) instance.
So if one thousand (1000) people came in to a system you were in, at absolute best you would only see thirty one (31) other people and the other nine hundred and sixty eight (968) would carry on without ever knowing you were there.

I read it. Says MMO. I watched trailers. They are ALL about PVP and multiplayer. Welp not so much apparently now that i own it :p

Dealt with this, quoted it to you before.
MMO does not mean you get to force yourself on others.
Also, since when did ANY of the trailers say they were all human players? (hint: they don't) You made that assumption, no one else, you did.

As you said, what does and does not fit in the game is for devs to decide. We are just sugesting and speculating here until you guys wake up and decide to strat saying the same old fashioned " i pay X amount and i want to play that X amount" Can weplease have some more thoughtful arguments? Im bored of that really

Devs have decided, go read post three (3) on page one (1) of this very thread. Even at E3 this year it was stated the mode system is not going to change.
Oh if you want more "thoughtful" arguments, please stop demanding the Devs change something they have stated for two (2) years will not change. When you ring something new, we will.

Until then, the same old "I want pew pew" argument will be met with the same old "not my choice" defence.
 
If you're looking for other people to game with there are infinite ways to do that already, pilot; step up your meta. If you're merely looking for a juicy source of soft targets, then your entire approach is wrong.

Exactly what he is looking for, and people in Open are fed up with it and moving to Groups like Mobius or Solo.
This was never a pew pew game. PvP was touted as "rare and meaningful" years ago - he didn't research before buying and now wants everyone else to suffer for his mistake.

Not going to happen under any game that has "Selective Multiplayer" (Flexi-player). And I will be looking into more games that are built that way.
 
If more and more people come to the game and start sharing my ideals, we will see. Dont starve was full of guys like you. No! we want it singleplayer only let it be singleplay SINGLEPLAYER!!!. After that, people kept coming for 2 years, until they finally decided that so many people said they would buy the game and their friends if it was multiplayer that it would double their sales. So they added it. It's either gonna happen here, or this game is going to be singleplayer(forced because nobody is in Open) and dead in 2 years i guarantee that. After StarCitizen comes out and if it really is what they showed until now, why would poeple on Steam stay here, when they can go there, which fits them better.

People normally inform themselves before buying. And SC will have a kind of PvP flag too.
 
Forgot to multi quote your other post about seeing everyone, but you got that so wrong it was laughable nedeaalex.

Even if Solo and group were removed, you cannot see every other player. The instance you play in can only hold thirty two (32) players as a theoretical maximum. Practical tests have only ever gotten twelve (12) people in to one (1) instance.
So if one thousand (1000) people came in to a system you were in, at absolute best you would only see thirty one (31) other people and the other nine hundred and sixty eight (968) would carry on without ever knowing you were there.



Dealt with this, quoted it to you before.
MMO does not mean you get to force yourself on others.
Also, since when did ANY of the trailers say they were all human players? (hint: they don't) You made that assumption, no one else, you did.



Devs have decided, go read post three (3) on page one (1) of this very thread. Even at E3 this year it was stated the mode system is not going to change.
Oh if you want more "thoughtful" arguments, please stop demanding the Devs change something they have stated for two (2) years will not change. When you ring something new, we will.

Until then, the same old "I want pew pew" argument will be met with the same old "not my choice" defence.
1. Trailers had human voice coms. NPC don't talk randomly now do they?
2. I want them separated not removed, or at least to make them equal
3. i can only see 31 people yes. So isn't that better than now? I see 1 player if i'm lucky. Hell if i see one player around god damn ACHENAR(the capital of the god damn empire) i will go place a ticket at the loterry, i might aswell win with the lucky chance igot to meet one CMDR in populated space :|
4. We will see when nobody is buying the game and they realize most of gamers nowadays want MMO's and people to play with.
5. I don't want pew pew. I want to be able to talk, walk, play, wing and have fun with other CMDR's, but eveyone is in Solo because Open offers nothing extra....except for griefers yay!
 
I will be here in 2 years to wipe the dust don't worry. After most of players like me left and nobody buys the game because all the Solo guys already have it, how will they keep servers up?
Some day you will understand the concept of diversity. Not all Humans like the same things you like ;)

All the "its doomed to fail" arguments are just a bit silly considering that FDs business plan is working out really well so far. They actually seem to know what they are doing.
 
People normally inform themselves before buying. And SC will have a kind of PvP flag too.
Yes it will. But they clearly stated you will be able to pirate on every other player in the Persistent Universe. Ofc if you fall in the same instance. But you will be. They are making a real MMO.
 
If more and more people come to the game and start sharing my ideals, we will see. Dont starve was full of guys like you. No! we want it singleplayer only let it be singleplay SINGLEPLAYER!!!. After that, people kept coming for 2 years, until they finally decided that so many people said they would buy the game and their friends if it was multiplayer that it would double their sales. So they added it.

And what happened?

Edit: Oh I see it isn't released yet. So it could very well be a disaster. Really your story tells us nothing except that if you shout long enough at a game forum you generally get what you want. There's a saying - "Be careful what you wish for".
 
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That's what we've been saying. Either that or separate them. I know separating them is a radical decision so it probably won't happen. But i expect the devs will ad something to at least if not add more reward for Open, make it more challenging. Like i go into a RES and if there are more people there, only Ana's spawn(or at least more of them). Or trading in Open adds a Hazard bonus which gives you say, 5% more money on what you traded. But it is also more dangerous.

I don't know what the answer is, just that something is needed. The idea of increased profits, and bounties and so on has been discussed to death before - it has it's merits - but getting the balance right as to not alienate non-open players is a very difficult thing. I'm confident, than in time, FD will come up with something, as it is FD that have promoted open play, and is their wish for all players to go into open to get the best experience they have envisioned for the multiplayer game.
 
Some day you will understand the concept of diversity. Not all Humans like the same things you like ;)

All the "its doomed to fail" arguments are just a bit silly considering that FDs business plan is working out really well so far. They actually seem to know what they are doing.
Oh so why are they adding a "PVP only patch"? Because so few people like me want that right? Does that not make them waste money. Maybe you have to think most gamers are like me nowadays. Given the fact that MOBAS and CSGO are the most popular games ever and they are pure PVP
 
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