I think having multiple groups possibly pulling in slightly different directions is actually more representative of reality though. A galactic power isn't going to have one unified direction - there'll be splinter groups and the people within that power will just have to deal with the consequences. The largest group will hold the most sway but there's nothing to stop smaller factions having their own effect. Look at the Republican Party in the U.S. For a modern day example - the Tea Party movement us doing things pretty differently and a lot of he old school Republicans don't like it, but they're having to adjust. Even in the UK we have splits in the Tory party with the 1922 committee and between the Blairites and Brownites in Labour.
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I think having multiple groups possibly pulling in slightly different directions is actually more representative of reality though. A galactic power isn't going to have one unified direction - there'll be splinter groups and the people within that power will just have to deal with the consequences. The largest group will hold the most sway but there's nothing to stop smaller factions having their own effect. Look at the Republican Party in the U.S. For a modern day example - the Tea Party movement us doing things pretty differently and a lot of he old school Republicans don't like it, but they're having to adjust. Even in the UK we have splits in the Tory party with the 1922 committee and between the Blairites and Brownites in Labour.
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RC51 162JU you can keep your space. I did not come to take over your space, it was empty to begin with. I left it while it was empty, so you can fill it up all yours.
One ghost who just made you pay more. Who did not exist. - You can have your own clan. We have had this talk before. I don't need to repeat this again and again and again .. In this game you can not buy guns, just keep that in mind. AND I don't want 3rd party forums to take over the game.
One more thing, I do not like spreading into 3rd party websites more and more. It will never come up with one solution to situation. And this is one good example of it. - Just keep in mind you can not buy ships with real money in this game... - This is not battle pirates.
Question is, how is your 3rd party tactics any better than the other 3rd party tactics. I tried to drop some information where the other sites are going, and you just instantly flamed it. - OK, you want to have your own group doing your own tasks, by all means... Do it.
That 100% of your website is 100% of your text. I found no other topics there. People can't say anything unless you dictate your ADMIN order there.
Your site is your way only and that is why I am not going to be in it. - It does not match the other site which is better. But since you are RC51 162JU case, I will not give you information further on. - None of is relevant, you don't need it.
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I watched it all the way through. It took you forever to kill that Adder in the beginning, are you using trailing targeting? Try leading instead it makes more sense for projectile weapons imo. Lastly, the music at the end was double loud as your voice through the video, maybe tone that down a bit.
Oh, about what you said on PP, seems like you dislike playing with a group. So your solution is, to release in game groups? I would love guilds in the game, and the framework for them is there. The same problems you have with the subreddits will persist to the in game guilds though. If they stopped showing what each power was doing, you'd add to the fifth column element more by encouraging at least one player per player group to spy on the other powers.
You dislike the salary, but it's barely profitable or worth the grind. It's 14 hours a day of grinding to maintain rating 5, or you can waste ~50 million a week to maintain it. After 6 weeks it starts becoming profitable, according to some math people. It's literally pointless because for those of us in big ships thats ~5-6 hours of trading!
About consequences for pledging, they are indeed very light. Fighting NPC interdictions to kill enemy ships for 15 merits is how most people grind merits I think. You didn't mention that this is adding to their bounty, which will now create a legacy fine in that system. If they die after docking in that system, it's added to the rebuy. If it expires after a week, it becomes a legacy fine which they can pay if they don't get scanned (else it becomes another week long bounty). So not only is the salary garbage, but fighting for your power is a literal time and money sink.
No one is mentioning that if you're a collector and want all the special modules, you have to pledge and defect to each of the 10 powers and play for 9 more months? That is a shame that the only new module content released is behind a giant time wall. The module rewards are tipping the balance of powerplay, which is wrong. It should be major faction or minor faction dependent, instead. Not some artificial 4 week time limit!
Did you see the proposed changes by Sandro Sammarco? He's suggesting that they add a way to undermine systems faster. And he explained the crazy merit decay mechanic, which needs a calculator and some paper to figure out. Just show us the new value in game so players don't have to. The game already knows it so just show it somewhere.
inb4 this game isn't for you
Oh, about what you said on PP, seems like you dislike playing with a group. So your solution is, to release in game groups? I would love guilds in the game, and the framework for them is there. The same problems you have with the subreddits will persist to the in game guilds though. If they stopped showing what each power was doing, you'd add to the fifth column element more by encouraging at least one player per player group to spy on the other powers.
You dislike the salary, but it's barely profitable or worth the grind. It's 14 hours a day of grinding to maintain rating 5, or you can waste ~50 million a week to maintain it. After 6 weeks it starts becoming profitable, according to some math people. It's literally pointless because for those of us in big ships thats ~5-6 hours of trading!
About consequences for pledging, they are indeed very light. Fighting NPC interdictions to kill enemy ships for 15 merits is how most people grind merits I think. You didn't mention that this is adding to their bounty, which will now create a legacy fine in that system. If they die after docking in that system, it's added to the rebuy. If it expires after a week, it becomes a legacy fine which they can pay if they don't get scanned (else it becomes another week long bounty). So not only is the salary garbage, but fighting for your power is a literal time and money sink.
No one is mentioning that if you're a collector and want all the special modules, you have to pledge and defect to each of the 10 powers and play for 9 more months? That is a shame that the only new module content released is behind a giant time wall. The module rewards are tipping the balance of powerplay, which is wrong. It should be major faction or minor faction dependent, instead. Not some artificial 4 week time limit!
Did you see the proposed changes by Sandro Sammarco? He's suggesting that they add a way to undermine systems faster. And he explained the crazy merit decay mechanic, which needs a calculator and some paper to figure out. Just show us the new value in game so players don't have to. The game already knows it so just show it somewhere.
inb4 this game isn't for you
Really good video outlandishPIXEL! 
I pretty much agree with everything you've said in the video.
I know a lot of people are enjoying Powerplay, and I can see what they like about it, and why they like it. It also adds character to the galaxy.
But at the end of the day these faces are 2D in more than just the literal sense. The extra depth is merely flavour text, and nowadays I take zero notice of the colour blobs on the map. They mean nothing to how I play the game. I too would have liked to have seen player controlled Powers. There are enough differences in the way Elite works (and Elite is far, far larger in terms of number of systems) that it would prevent the game becoming a EvE clone - there I said it.
There was a screen cap floating around from the Powerplay video that showed extra missions for it, such as constructing military bases etc. Something like that would make things feel far more alive, especially if it could be done without resorting to thousands of endless fetch quests.
For now, I'm still out exploring...and I've just started taking another look at missions. But, ya know...as it stands the game feels as though it is set on this awesome Caribbean beach, but with only a few grains of sand.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said in the video.I know a lot of people are enjoying Powerplay, and I can see what they like about it, and why they like it. It also adds character to the galaxy.
But at the end of the day these faces are 2D in more than just the literal sense. The extra depth is merely flavour text, and nowadays I take zero notice of the colour blobs on the map. They mean nothing to how I play the game. I too would have liked to have seen player controlled Powers. There are enough differences in the way Elite works (and Elite is far, far larger in terms of number of systems) that it would prevent the game becoming a EvE clone - there I said it.
There was a screen cap floating around from the Powerplay video that showed extra missions for it, such as constructing military bases etc. Something like that would make things feel far more alive, especially if it could be done without resorting to thousands of endless fetch quests.
For now, I'm still out exploring...and I've just started taking another look at missions. But, ya know...as it stands the game feels as though it is set on this awesome Caribbean beach, but with only a few grains of sand.
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PP has two issues
#1 - the tasks you are required to do are monotonous garbage identical to what we've already been doing for months, there isn't even a convoy mission they literally kept it at "blow up ships in CZ" "Blow up ships in enemy space" "Take A to B" It couldn't be any more boring if they tried, literally not possible I've never seen a core feature get so little love.
#2 - no discernible reward structure, you get paid based off your rank, which makes sense, but probably less than getting paid for your contribution, and after 4 weeks you can have a module that may or may not be garbage and should be in the game anyway.
Thats it, no paint schemes, ships, variants, achievements, titles, missions, rewards its got nothing. Just more stuff to make "take A to B" or "kill X in Z" better, as if you had anything to use the money for anyway after they vastly inflated earnings by being grossly incompetent for so long.
Like honestly if FD want to be taken seriously they could at least show that they know what they are doing better than armchair developers, because at the moment you could cobble together a game from forum suggestions that would take very little time to implement but still be vastly better than this. They willfully ignore the players and the forums but don't have the track record to back that up, thats two ways dumb instead of mono-dumb.
#1 - the tasks you are required to do are monotonous garbage identical to what we've already been doing for months, there isn't even a convoy mission they literally kept it at "blow up ships in CZ" "Blow up ships in enemy space" "Take A to B" It couldn't be any more boring if they tried, literally not possible I've never seen a core feature get so little love.
#2 - no discernible reward structure, you get paid based off your rank, which makes sense, but probably less than getting paid for your contribution, and after 4 weeks you can have a module that may or may not be garbage and should be in the game anyway.
Thats it, no paint schemes, ships, variants, achievements, titles, missions, rewards its got nothing. Just more stuff to make "take A to B" or "kill X in Z" better, as if you had anything to use the money for anyway after they vastly inflated earnings by being grossly incompetent for so long.
Like honestly if FD want to be taken seriously they could at least show that they know what they are doing better than armchair developers, because at the moment you could cobble together a game from forum suggestions that would take very little time to implement but still be vastly better than this. They willfully ignore the players and the forums but don't have the track record to back that up, thats two ways dumb instead of mono-dumb.
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With an Anaconda you can make 5-10 million per hour trading, easy. You could just trade for 5-10 hours a week instead, and actually keep it.
So, as I see things, you don't know how overhead is calculated or, how it's tied to the expansion and upkeep numbers? And yet, want us to keep on expanding without knowing the consequences? Going into turmoil is real and it's happening to ALD (a power that has over 1000 pledged reddit users).
Now hear me out before pinning me to wall for being overly cautious. I am also in favor of expansion, I believe we need to have a healthy positive margin of CC for each cycle. You quote that it was your endeavors that gave us the advantage this time around. However, we cannot just keep doing the same thing again without knowing what will happen.
As regards to the the concept of a FOB, I believe the idea is sound as long as we have the numbers for doing it. We are not ALD or Aisling Duval, we simply do not have the numbers right now to fight a war of attrition. To do so will be be self-defeating in the long run unless the numbers change.
And please, stop pouting nonsense about fighting a civil war. I do not wish to fight a fellow Winters supporter... remember, "jaw jaw is better than bang bang".
I have earned rank 5 without spending insane amounts on the powerplay.
I started out preparing abit and fortifying, yet i am no trader, so i quickly took to expansion and opposition.
I reached rank 5 at week 4, now i'm given a sweet salary at the end this cycle,
to maintain the rank i will have to play 20 hours i guess, opposing in a small wing (to speed up engagements).
Rank 5 by throwing money out of the window? Nah thanks.
I started out preparing abit and fortifying, yet i am no trader, so i quickly took to expansion and opposition.
I reached rank 5 at week 4, now i'm given a sweet salary at the end this cycle,
to maintain the rank i will have to play 20 hours i guess, opposing in a small wing (to speed up engagements).
Rank 5 by throwing money out of the window? Nah thanks.
Have some rep.
I am trying to put some light on fact that more this game spreads around to become clan game, less the power will be functional.
Every clan wants to do what ever they see is fit for their side. They will ignore others. In this case I am not any better than they are or less than they are.
I tried to find a common ground, but it did not work out. They watched their operations to be far more important in their sector area than other sector areas.
Yes I work in team, which has players n something. I am not going to go in details because that is how my team operates. - None of your business. -
I did try to wake them up early enough to see some moves which are going to happen in game, but as for that I got shot down. - Now they will pay for that.
Causal reactions. you do this, you get that.
The day that I will say: " I told you." Is pretty much the start of the next cycle.
This power play have become so huge mess that it is driving fun out of it and it is totally a mental case. This is why I do not post any kind of tactical information on these forums further and progress with my own terms. I am not obligated in any way to give information over and they do not have any obligation to trust me. - As long we are in same side of power, they simply have to trust me. If this system is malfunctioning, I will switch power and sure that will cost ...
They claim that some players are imaginary, nonexistent, and yet they so much need to order for these nonexistent players to stop their statement.
They do not need more words, they just operate in team to show you, this ghost ship is out there. We put it in place so you can not miss it.
IF we could declare independence, we would do it right this very second without a doubt and start the battle against winter this very second.
This is result of the behavior of our "leading" commanders in our power and their democratic ways of voting for themselves. - You have created already anarchy in your own power which is sad.
You have your guide lines which only support your team, guess what you need to see 300 other players which support the power and stop thinking you 6 are all the "lead" there is. - And therefore yes, I take the very best advice I got from here, is to ignore you totally and continue my gaming because we have a plan. - You don't need to know it, because all you do is sabotage it .. We have taken this into our calculations but, more you fight it, more it will cost you.
How is the power play feeling when there are so called 3rd party nominated leaders in the game who drop orders into certain forums, of course these who are linked to forum will follow some of it. But lets be honest. There are players who totally disagree with the 3rd party nominations and this is what has to stop. - Elite as a game must be running as Elite as a game. If there is Elite power, the Elite must point out who is leading the power. Else there is just smashed potatoes arguing over every move in this game.
Psycho.. Mental, nutcase... yes exactly.. this powergame drives players crazy because there is no single line to follow and nobody to operate it without agenda behind the back.
Every clan wants to do what ever they see is fit for their side. They will ignore others. In this case I am not any better than they are or less than they are.
I tried to find a common ground, but it did not work out. They watched their operations to be far more important in their sector area than other sector areas.
Yes I work in team, which has players n something. I am not going to go in details because that is how my team operates. - None of your business. -
I did try to wake them up early enough to see some moves which are going to happen in game, but as for that I got shot down. - Now they will pay for that.
Causal reactions. you do this, you get that.
The day that I will say: " I told you." Is pretty much the start of the next cycle.
This power play have become so huge mess that it is driving fun out of it and it is totally a mental case. This is why I do not post any kind of tactical information on these forums further and progress with my own terms. I am not obligated in any way to give information over and they do not have any obligation to trust me. - As long we are in same side of power, they simply have to trust me. If this system is malfunctioning, I will switch power and sure that will cost ...
They claim that some players are imaginary, nonexistent, and yet they so much need to order for these nonexistent players to stop their statement.
They do not need more words, they just operate in team to show you, this ghost ship is out there. We put it in place so you can not miss it.
IF we could declare independence, we would do it right this very second without a doubt and start the battle against winter this very second.
This is result of the behavior of our "leading" commanders in our power and their democratic ways of voting for themselves. - You have created already anarchy in your own power which is sad.
You have your guide lines which only support your team, guess what you need to see 300 other players which support the power and stop thinking you 6 are all the "lead" there is. - And therefore yes, I take the very best advice I got from here, is to ignore you totally and continue my gaming because we have a plan. - You don't need to know it, because all you do is sabotage it .. We have taken this into our calculations but, more you fight it, more it will cost you.
How is the power play feeling when there are so called 3rd party nominated leaders in the game who drop orders into certain forums, of course these who are linked to forum will follow some of it. But lets be honest. There are players who totally disagree with the 3rd party nominations and this is what has to stop. - Elite as a game must be running as Elite as a game. If there is Elite power, the Elite must point out who is leading the power. Else there is just smashed potatoes arguing over every move in this game.
Psycho.. Mental, nutcase... yes exactly.. this powergame drives players crazy because there is no single line to follow and nobody to operate it without agenda behind the back.
Thanks for focusing on that! I recorded some random footage late at night in a new ship with fixed weapons for the first time - never used fixed. I also decided to try trailing for the first time. I think the description of the vid states that - but you wouldn't see it embedded here lol.
Ah I didn't think the music's was that bad but fair enough, I didn't edit this one with my headphones Quite the opposite, I love group activity hence why I have my own group. I mention espionage/recon as a specific in-game missions for discovering what systems were being prepped. A power specific news board could then give hints: "Torval activity has increased near the system of 'HIP WHATEVER'" etc.
I ignored everyone's maths and did rank 5 myself. It's absolutely a grind, and I saved money on fastracking with my route/timings etc. However if you commit and get the grind over and done with quickly early on, then you can sit on a huge chunk of credits and get back to enjoying the game and ignoring PP. Hence why I think it's broken.
Agreed. Also you're right: I forgot to mention how I jumped from having a clean record, to having a silly-large boutny on my head! That is also annoying.
This is one of my points as to why PP is broken. Fair enough if you want lots of special modules, but they shouldn't then be linked into powers. Instead there should be an alternative method of acquiring them that doesn't affect roleplay allegiance.
Nope but I think the coloured blobs on the map don't really mean much in the long run anyway.
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Really good video outlandishPIXEL!
Thanks
Unique missions would definitely improve things!
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You forgot the bonuses.
Say you spend 100mil to get to rank 5 in a few hours and then let it tick out:
Week 1: 1000Cr (R1)
Week 2: 50,000,000Cr (R5)
Week 3: 5,000,000Cr (R4)
Week 4: 5,000,000Cr (R4)
Week 5: 500,000cr (R3)
That means you get 60.5mil back from your 100mil investment. You also get access to the weapon in week 5 without any additional merits.
That means you need to gain 40mil from the rewards to break even.
In my case I had 55mil of exploration data and Li Yong-Rui's rank 5 bonus changed it to 170mil giving me a 110mil bonus meaning my net +/- was +130mil from the endeavour.
Obviously with exploration once it's sold it is sold so no reason to stay rank 5 really. I imagine for ongoing rewards such as bounty hunting bonuses you can just keep topping up to stay rank 5 and get the bonus to income from that.
Edit: OP, its an MMO, the idea is for it to be a time-sink
Say you spend 100mil to get to rank 5 in a few hours and then let it tick out:
Week 1: 1000Cr (R1)
Week 2: 50,000,000Cr (R5)
Week 3: 5,000,000Cr (R4)
Week 4: 5,000,000Cr (R4)
Week 5: 500,000cr (R3)
That means you get 60.5mil back from your 100mil investment. You also get access to the weapon in week 5 without any additional merits.
That means you need to gain 40mil from the rewards to break even.
In my case I had 55mil of exploration data and Li Yong-Rui's rank 5 bonus changed it to 170mil giving me a 110mil bonus meaning my net +/- was +130mil from the endeavour.
Obviously with exploration once it's sold it is sold so no reason to stay rank 5 really. I imagine for ongoing rewards such as bounty hunting bonuses you can just keep topping up to stay rank 5 and get the bonus to income from that.
Edit: OP, its an MMO, the idea is for it to be a time-sink
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This^^; think this is bad? just imagine if we had Guilds...
Of course it was pretty empty In the immortal words of H.W.Bush "READ MY LIPS" My site has been up for only a week, Maybe you do not understand English to well and that statement just goes over your head, but after reading your posts I would think such a statement would be within your mental capacity to grasp you said you had a Military Education after all and they do teach you to read don't they?
"In this game you cannot buy guns, just keep that in mind" is that some kind of real world threat. I leave it to other posters to figure that one out and if your peers want to report you so be it.
It is a website for Winter Supporters to Organize and shoot the #^@$ in their non flying hours its call camaraderie look it up in a dictionary I would hardly call that taking over the game, But I would call what you did an attempt to bully and muscle your way onto my website and pretty much try and take it over , man I can only imagine in your tantrum what you would have done if you had any actual power like administrative privileges.
Roen Reality Check for all intense and purposes this is a 3rd party website your trying to come up with solutions on, and what is this thing you got about Pirates anyway? Is that some other form of Delusion?
Because you started referencing me and you and our little encounter and to be blunt, your not being TRUTHFUL on how it went down that's why. You tell readers I treated you like garbage, I didn't. You tell readers I just wanted to order you around I didn't in fact the thought of ordering you around sickens me, but I be damn if I was going to let your bullying tactics pay off for you so I stood up to you and you QUIT! If I wasn't going to play your way you were not going to play and now your out here posting like a cry baby that I somehow victimized you. Only in your wildest delusions.
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There already are these .. unfortunately. We need elite to make them official and remove them off from power. No clan should operate as a lead unless elite as a game points it.
But this 3rd party clan war is already there. It drives me creeps.
Please DO NOT make elite to be battle pirates cause that game literally starts to fall apart ...
RC51 I don't want your ADMIN powers even less your Website. I am not going to come to your website to bully you, don't bring this battle pirates stuff here it is not part of this game. This is not sector 162. You have to understand that we have the guns and ships we worked for and we use it. You can have your clan and bring all the JU's here as much you wan't but don't think it will be the same. You can not buy guns here and act like your the battle pirate boss out here.
It is amazing you just spend more money to improve your power again. - The power you get of course is limited to users you have in your website. - All yours you paid for it. I am not going to be there. Your 3rd party website where you as admin use your rights that you paid for to correlate action of the members of that website. You speak for your own side and as an admin of that website you are always right. - Even you would be flying a mouse.
You instantly started to look for reasons to put the things off the table, while we tried to establish quick and already working system. - However, no more.
You have clearly shown to us as your own website admin that you are not capable of working with ideas that differ of your own. This is why your tactical solutions are limited to only your view. - It has been like this before. This is why you are trying to move on and improve yourself.
I gave you some information what was collected from our team, but it is not good enough for you. Therefore I left. We simply understood that working with you is not going to be any easier than before. Then we just decided to stay in our own forum. - Here we are again.
Sorry there are so many error codes in my message you just have to fill in the caps.
It is amazing you just spend more money to improve your power again. - The power you get of course is limited to users you have in your website. - All yours you paid for it. I am not going to be there. Your 3rd party website where you as admin use your rights that you paid for to correlate action of the members of that website. You speak for your own side and as an admin of that website you are always right. - Even you would be flying a mouse.
You instantly started to look for reasons to put the things off the table, while we tried to establish quick and already working system. - However, no more.
You have clearly shown to us as your own website admin that you are not capable of working with ideas that differ of your own. This is why your tactical solutions are limited to only your view. - It has been like this before. This is why you are trying to move on and improve yourself.
I gave you some information what was collected from our team, but it is not good enough for you. Therefore I left. We simply understood that working with you is not going to be any easier than before. Then we just decided to stay in our own forum. - Here we are again.
Sorry there are so many error codes in my message you just have to fill in the caps.
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These are not guilds and their are no official leaders. Why not just set your own group up and literally ignore the rest of us? I don't know why you're so incensed by all this seeing as you've already said you're leaving the power. Let us know which power you're joining and where you'll be fighting and I'll happily meet you in the game but I'm not posting any more in this thread as you are literally posting nonsense verbiage after you've already said you're leaving the power. If that is true then this is literally pointless and your continued umbrage is baffling in the least.