:O Don't knock them till you try them, they are actually awesome!
The Powerplay discussion thread.
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:O Don't knock them till you try them, they are actually awesome!
yes i have been here the whole time, and that is why i burn so strongly about this subject, you have no idea how much insults and threats i have had to endure just because i was a eve player.
This is more to do with the fact that you get off on peoples disappointment than anything else, you are so blinded that even though you aren't involved with PP because you dont like it, you refuse to acknowledge that its a fundamentally broken and misplaced game mechanic. Which tbh is your right to do so but it simply makes you a forum troll (but we knew that already from your previous posts).
oddly you had been removed from my trollignore list, something that has been rectified
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I thought that was half the fun for us vets?
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Let them curse, scream and threaten all they want. They just prove their own hypocrisy in the process.
I forgot to comment on this. So you are just admitting that you are sabotaging our efforts to keep Winters on track (I am not sure who is going to want you among their ranks with that attitude).
Which coupled with the post that you made a few days ago makes sense:
"If this zone becomes too hot for us to support winter, we can flip the cards upside down and blow a hole in the winter."
The person that replied to your post was right on spot. You don't want us to ruin Winters (which our objective of stopping any expansion was meant to prevent) yet you are ready to ruin it?
Schizophrenic much?
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You are either spending money or spending time, both translates into the same thing in the end.
Once you get to Rank 5, you need 5000 to keep earning those 50 million, it costs 50 million to do so, but whatever you do in between to earn merits is shaving cost off those 50 million, if you get 700 in an hour of undermining an opposing faction, means you are earning 7 million in an hour, assuming that you complete the task of turning in those 5000 before the end of the cycle. The time it takes you to complete the rest of it should be added to the time you spent actually earning money, so if you take an extra two hours to complete the 5000 tasks, it means you essentially earned 7 million in three hours.
The problem with that with all its sacrifices and conditions, it is not more profitable than trading or RES hunting (if you are lucky). As for the RP side of it, I don't know what kind of roleplay satisfies the sacrifice of time and work for little gain other than RPing as a slave.
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While that is quite true, i spent my time having fun in a wing with nice lads, doing stuff for our power, furthering our goals,
or just blasting the opposition out of the sky.
I guess your numbers on constant working to keep rank 5 are a bit off there.
It was 3840ish right?
So that is 3 days of casual opposition in a wing,
still you get merits as a reward for playing coop with other lads of your power.
Does it matter, what the game rewards your roleplay with?
As far as i can tell, there is a lot of community started news flashes been brought to Galnet, because of this roleplay.
We have pilots that are working hard, trying to strategize and scout these juicy pp systems.
We have a combat wing on voluntary basis, keeping our homelands and the cg safe.
Now i have a feeling, pp has to do something with this...
Before pp, i for one never had the desire to wing up,
nor had i shared a common goal with anyone in particular.
PP seems to focus that quite well.
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My personal expansions which I started are LUMBLA and SIMYR, which both has been flamed, but are still are continuing because of their high value in income and strategical positions.
And as a statement to because of your talks how we don't know how to calculate, how we are somehow more stupid than you, like we don't know what the costs are and so...
We need some education, like school to understand your y3k calculation which lacks totally the variable for distance, which is your base for all this oppression.
You talk to us as if we are dogs, we must be put down. Our expansions are somehow worse to you, because the capital we put them to give boosted your position up like hell.
Was it 4th back to 2nd?
All is fine. We can drop this subject and we will start to undo everything we did you can drop your 50 somewhere while I drop my 5000 to next place.
Question is now. IS this power worthy of it. - In your words, simyr and lumbla are not worth it. Polecteri must be put down, well we put it up there just to show you some capital, how we rich can spend it how ever we like. How about a party? We can use the next 5000 in next cycle just to say hello.
I will get not less than 5 million each round.. Fine by me.. I will save it and just put it back in there just to give you something to think about.
How about that? Are you now happy?
How about CROWFOR? You want to keep it or loose it?
And as a statement to because of your talks how we don't know how to calculate, how we are somehow more stupid than you, like we don't know what the costs are and so...
We need some education, like school to understand your y3k calculation which lacks totally the variable for distance, which is your base for all this oppression.
You talk to us as if we are dogs, we must be put down. Our expansions are somehow worse to you, because the capital we put them to give boosted your position up like hell.
Was it 4th back to 2nd?
All is fine. We can drop this subject and we will start to undo everything we did you can drop your 50 somewhere while I drop my 5000 to next place.
Question is now. IS this power worthy of it. - In your words, simyr and lumbla are not worth it. Polecteri must be put down, well we put it up there just to show you some capital, how we rich can spend it how ever we like. How about a party? We can use the next 5000 in next cycle just to say hello.
I will get not less than 5 million each round.. Fine by me.. I will save it and just put it back in there just to give you something to think about.
How about that? Are you now happy?
How about CROWFOR? You want to keep it or loose it?
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An Admission
Alright this thread has been an blast and while I totally disagree with Roen Soul's game ethics, I do have to reach out a hand and say,
THANK YOU ROEN SOUL.
This thread has generated Operation Winters 6 new Commanders and I didn't even need to recruit them how about that, so thank you again Roen Soul this insanity does wonders for recruitment
Alright this thread has been an blast and while I totally disagree with Roen Soul's game ethics, I do have to reach out a hand and say,
THANK YOU ROEN SOUL.
This thread has generated Operation Winters 6 new Commanders and I didn't even need to recruit them how about that, so thank you again Roen Soul this insanity does wonders for recruitment
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I think your problem is that you're evaluating how to spend your in-game time based solely on financial opportunity cost. Elite is not a job. It's a game. I couldn't disagree more with your first statement in the above quoted paragraph. I don't play for credits. I play for fun. So time and money are definitely not the same for me.
If you focus solely on credits there are 2 truths you'll have to accept: (1) PP is not for you, (2) you'll be burnt out by the game within a couple of months - as earning credits is mindnumbingly easy if you follow players guides and/or use 3rd party tools, and with a sole focus in credits you'll not know what to do with yourself once you earn a billion or two credits.
My advice: reset/adjust your priorities. Do what you find fun in-game. Credits will follow.
Nope and some of our Commanders are Fuel Rats too it goes with our Ethos, you know helping others in need.
I thought that was half the fun for us vets?
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Let them curse, scream and threaten all they want. They just prove their own hypocrisy in the process.
no i don't think its fun, i want Elite to succeed, and for that we need to get players.
think of that space sims is still a niche game category and there is not to many space sim players around.
the Eve community used to be so positive about ED at first, and there was so many eve bloggers and youtubers who also used to cover ED.
but the ED community has managed to turn them more and more hostile, and today i don't know a single eve blogger who still cares about Elite.
i think the ED community has done a splendid job at shooting itself in the foot here.
the both games are basically siblings, as Braben gave his blessing to CCP to make Eve into Elite's reimplementation.
we could have been so close, but instead we got this witch hunt and i think that is such a damn shame that i lack words for it.
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Well OP was ranty wall of text, stopped reading about 1/3rd way and tried to get context from comments. Lets face it you cannot igonre power play and it sucks.
So here is my wall of text.
Powerplay sucks because I have just spent 4 months with others promoting Fed in an independent area, and every time I go into a station or look on the galaxy map it currently says contested by "Edumns Mahon", youn know the leader of the alliance. As the game is just progress bars as the OP put it this sucks chocolate balls, that in 2 weeks - 4 motnhs work can be undone. Seperate game my, that you can ignore <insert explitive>, every time I visit a system in my chosen area I get power play shoved down my throat, and my efforts made worthless.
If you go to reddit and see the organisation this is gulidivation through the back door.
Fortuantely I did not stop playing the game figuring I had my money's worth on Friday (paid 4 figure sum, been here since Alpha), talked out of it by on-line friends but powpler play is evil, I want no more of the path,it is not like the I/we want to own tihings cos we can in other MMOs has stopped - sorry, nothing personal - sod off again.
Cheers
Simon
So here is my wall of text.
Powerplay sucks because I have just spent 4 months with others promoting Fed in an independent area, and every time I go into a station or look on the galaxy map it currently says contested by "Edumns Mahon", youn know the leader of the alliance. As the game is just progress bars as the OP put it this sucks chocolate balls, that in 2 weeks - 4 motnhs work can be undone. Seperate game my, that you can ignore <insert explitive>, every time I visit a system in my chosen area I get power play shoved down my throat, and my efforts made worthless.
If you go to reddit and see the organisation this is gulidivation through the back door.
Fortuantely I did not stop playing the game figuring I had my money's worth on Friday (paid 4 figure sum, been here since Alpha), talked out of it by on-line friends but powpler play is evil, I want no more of the path,it is not like the I/we want to own tihings cos we can in other MMOs has stopped - sorry, nothing personal - sod off again.
Cheers
Simon
The irony of your argument is that I only joined ALD for RP reasons. But just because I want to RP, doesn't mean I signed up for a job. This is not how I see it, this is how it has been set up.
I would like to agree with you about not looking at it from the CR per hour, but the merit decay of power play FORCES you to take the credits into account. If you don't work that week, poof!, your rank and 100M down the drain and everything is gone.
Why maintain rank 5 then, you would ask? it is essentially the only way to help my faction without going broke, because you are earning back the 50M you are spending. But it is still crap having to work without any benefits.
If it forces you to play, it should at least make you money.
If it doesn't make money, it shouldn't force you to play.
But right now it has the worst of both worlds.
What if the reports worked like any other commodity that you just trade, buy at a price and sell at another instead of the 30 min mobile app ?
What if there wasn't any merit decay and you only lose your status if you defect from the power?
Would you like it if you combat or exploration rank was halved every week? Why does PP has to work with this? Again, this is not how i see it, this is how it has been set up.
While I wouldn't put it that way, I see where you're coming from and I kinda agree : PP needs better incentives. The modules need to be worked on for once, and this is a tricky thing because they said they don't want overpowered mods but "different" ones. I guess they were so cautious that they seriously gimped most of them. But it can be fixed.
Aside from that, the rewards are lacking (to say the least) but I'm not sure what we need : I didn't use serious money for a while now. I'm pretty sure some of us have nice ideas though : what would make a decent reward system guys ?
Everyone agrees that the formula behind overheads is roughly: N³ ÷ 74000 with N the number of exploited systems. Everyone but you for some obscure reason.
It looks like you are annoyed because of that denominator but no one is saying that this how the formula is hard coded. It is obvious that the denominator is obtained through another formula maybe taking distance and other factors into account but so minimally that 74000 pretty much works for everyone.
I have taken the time to do the math if we were to succeed in 3 of the 4 systems currently expanded but you do not care about explanations. By expanding in 3 systems we are going to see an increase of ~670 CC in overheads which are going to decrease our amount of available CC below the 1,000 mark. The fact that we might expand all 4 will only make it worse.
You can deny the reality all you want, you can turn your head, covering your ears screaming "no no no" that doesn't change the fact that if we continue with all these expansions we are going to follow ALD in turmoil within a very few cycles. At this point, every system that we prepare or expand is not a good system. Period, it's not about Lumbla or Simyr specifically even if some systems like these ones are going to be worse, it is about any system. It doesn't matter how much profit you get from it, it's all about the fact that it is increasing your amount of exploited systems, hence your overheads. We reached the point where expanding is going to be more costly than anything and it isn't enough for a system to show green on the map to be interesting anymore.
The problem is not the systems that you are preparing but the expansions that you are pushing. No harm is really done in preparations at the moment, the problem is the systems that you are expanding today and that will be costly to us next cycle.
If you come to your senses please stop working on them and let the opposition cancel their expansion. Please.
If you really want to help you can fortify undermined systems or oppose the imp expansion in Sounti.
If you have resources to use they would be welcome to fortify our systems. Crowfor is as good as any others though it would be best to focus on the ones currently undermined.
Thanks!
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Please, please don't join ALD! If he joins the ALD, I believe poor Roen will have a new thread on the same topic in a week...
Maybe the magically 5th column, as they don't have a sub-reddit that I know of.
Damn, you denominator, damn you! <shaking fist>
Next time I find you, Mr. Denominator in your wing of Mr. Fraction and Mrs. Numerator, I'm so taking you down!
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You're never going to get them to understand that they're just being bigoted about something because it's different by treating those people with kid gloves. Until you rub it under their nose they'll never realize that the smell that is running people off is coming from them.
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Still more comments about Powerplay somehow ruining the game for the individual. Don't you guys realize that the individual was made insignificant the day they said that single player and multiplayer background simulations would be tied together? You've never had a significant impact on the game as an individual, Powerplay changed nothing in that reguard.