Are you implying that with good control over the thrusters for all 6 axis no FA/off is needed? Or is it just for NPCs?
All fights against AI = afterburn + FA off turning
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Are you implying that with good control over the thrusters for all 6 axis no FA/off is needed? Or is it just for NPCs?
Sarah Jane Avory
Retro Queen
AI improvement on the way? THANKS AGAIN SARAH!!!
May I also suggest that NPCs learn to chase you properly after interdicting you? By promptly using subsequent boosts?
For instance, when I fly a fat Python interdicted by Viper security, I need to boost (slightly above 300m/s) only twice to be out of fire range and if I keep boosting, they cannot catch up. As per my experience, it seems that:
- They decide to go after me too late
- While they fly at full speed (310 m/s is the fastest a base Viper can go), they simply do not use boost (which is about 390m/s for a base Viper).
One could be scared being interdicted by a real player, while being interdicted by NPCs is nothing but a little inconvenience.
Changing that would both bring challenge and also get all these players learn not to simply submit and boost after an interdiction (except if they know their ship is faster than the one interdicting them).
Currently we have all these trader players who whine on the forum because this nasty pirate player took them down after they decided to submit and boost away in their T7. If NPC pirates would pose more of a threat, they would learn how to deal with, understand that piracy threat is part of the game and stop crying "griefer" every time they lose after taking the wrong decision...
It's all to do with pip management. I've changed the code on my build so that AI ships can go full pips to ENG when pursuing as they don't need SYS and if their prey is outside weapons range, they can go full to ENG and boost like mad!
This is governed by rank as low ranked ships can't use full pips to ENG. But if you're being chased by an Elite and he's in a faster ship... :O Sarah Jane Avory
Retro Queen
I'm assessing AI use of chaff, SCB etc. They will become more effective.
Can you explain this in detail? I'm aware that there is throttle and forward/backward thrust. Is there a difference between those two settings? I tested it and didn't really notice a difference, but it might just be my faulty testing or not enough testing.
... flying in reverse won't work.
So, basically, you have nerfed a legitimate combat manoeuvre one can't use effectively to jostle for position.
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Saturday I was testing a bunch of different weapon loadouts on my combat equipped Anaconda in a Nav Beacon and got scanned by several wanted NPCs. A lot of them said something along the lines of "Uh, woops, this is not worth the fight" or something like that and sped away. Okay, I don't know if they were really "afraid" of me (I'm only 'expert') or my ship or just because I had no cargo, but in case you have no cargo they usually say something like "I don't know how any of you make a living!" so they probably thought they couldn't win against me.
This woman is amazing. Can someone give her the 'Coolest and Most Diabolical AI Developer' or something?It's all to do with pip management. I've changed the code on my build so that AI ships can go full pips to ENG when pursuing as they don't need SYS and if their prey is outside weapons range, they can go full to ENG and boost like mad!
I've heard of being cruel to be kind, but geez...Okay!
(and until someone tells me to dial it back) high ranks (especially Elite) will be showing no mercy.
Mwahahaha.
Do. Want.
This is correct, they have no need. Also I can add that AI combat is getting a big upgrade. It's what I'm working on right now, adding a load of new tactics to make things more... interesting.
That's a pretty big statement, given most players don't know how to deal with reverse flying.
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I am a bit appalled you're giving that much attention to this .... poster... when many perfectly legit and well written threads about issues regarding your game get ignored.
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I don't often have to disengage from combat, but I was engaged by a wing of 3 Vipers (Master-Dangerous level as I recall) at a HI RES this morning, in my well-kitted Vulture, and it was looking like a no-win for me until the police arrived. They didn't get me, but they sure ran me off for a bit! Well-played Sarah
And Run Bro - I've seen you do a lot of that lately haha
That's a pretty big statement, given most players don't know how to deal with reverse flying.
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I am a bit appalled you're giving that much attention to this .... poster... when many perfectly legit and well written threads about issues regarding your game get ignored.
They don't get ignored, they're read and looked into. They don't always get replies though. I have no obligation to write replies to the issues I see on here and I tend to only do so on areas that are directly related to my area of the game. This post mentioned flight assist off and that is something I am responsible for so it got my attention, that's all.
Javert
Volunteer Moderator
Just out of interest, when you say they are read and looked into, I'm guessing that the devs don't have time to read all posts on the forum - do you get some kind of summary report from the Community Managers of key threads that might benefit from dev attention?
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Demo please.
Javert
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If the flight model is still the same as it was in Beta, you should be able to fly backwards at full speed, but only in FAOff.
I'm not sure how it's possible to fly backwards at full speed with FAOn but "using thrusters" as some on this thread have stated - I'd be interested to see or know how that is done. Thrusters on my ship are up, down, left, and right. Maybe you can map forward and reverse thrusters as well (?) but even if so, I think the flight model is supposed to be nerfed (oops...optimised) so that you can't fly backwards at full speed in FAOn. There was a huge thread about this last year.
At the time, the devs said that they wanted to discourage flying backwards as being the default mode of fighting.
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Yes, you can because I have them mapped on my HOTAS (I use them for landing). Not sure if they allow the whole "full speed in reverse" thing, but they are mappable.
You most certainly can map reverse thrusters, and I do. I've always found you can fly backwards (or sideways) at a higher velocity with FA off than with FA on. I'm curious, and skeptical, about the "full speed reverse with FA-ON" claim.
(My other posts in this thead detailing what I know of the flight model and what's ONLY possible with FA off: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164543&page=4&p=2510328#post2510328 , https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164543&page=7&p=2510793#post2510793)