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It is my sad duty to report...

Oh dear.

I am sorry I have let you all down.

1) You have nothing to apologise for, you have not let anyone down. At all. In any way.
2) Keeping hold of it this long was an Olympian feat
3) THANK YOU for your hard work and dedication in this effort, we'd be nowhere near where we are without you!

We WILL find another one. We will. I know we will....

[fd : Turn on the spawns again please, increase frequency by 10%. This is like doing science on unicorns.]
 
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Out of curiosity what ships do the people who are hunting/or have UA's use? That's too bad Wishblend nice job on all your work though.

That's my UA-Hunter:
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70N,5T...Sk4_w03w2UI2jw

I can collect bounties while hunting, but also have all necessary scanners on board. I can travel with it pretty comfortably. And it's fairly cheap. (Even more so if you buy everything in Li Yong-Ruis territory.)
 
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So.... Tactics to get some more?
A) small ship, pray the ua escapes from the t9. Grab it and scarper

B) a grade python. Take out the support solo, then pick at the hatch

C) a grade python. Ram the t9 Shields, cargo limpets, pray you get the ua before the sky falls in

I have the python with scanners galore, and collector limpets, so far t9 have just had painite
 
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Hi Guys,

It is my sad duty to report due to heavy testing and a mistake on my part, my unknown artefact has been lost.

Hey Wishblend,

You are a legend here. You have nothing to apologise for.

Wish i had the time to help out and put in the amount of effort you have. pretty sure we will find some more and you will have another chance at it.

Best

H
 
Test 2 in SEGNIR system

Bare in mind I am tired after a 12 hour shift, I might have miss counted them, twitch feed below image.

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo60/Alison47896/elite Dangerous 2015/Screenshot_1_3.jpg

http://www.twitch.tv/wishblend/c/6937626

Google Docs link to spreedsheets.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cEx7N3T-9MLFh9A3yPet_EU4Wf17QDfBYni0Yr1in3Y/edit?usp=sharing

I will update this google sheet as I get more information.
Thanks for the sheet Wishblend, I took a copy and I'm using that to do a few basic stats on the sets of data.

To me, those results look essentially random.
No, they're not. To the eye, then yes it *looks* random.
If you take a ratio for the purple flashes vs total, and green flashes vs total, you get 2 sets of reciprocal data. Finding the mean and standard deviation (SD) for each data set shows that the figures are actually constrained. The data sets for Segnir show some drift either side of the mean, but 5 of the 7 points are within +/-1SD of the mean, with 1 high and 1 low outlier.
The statistics for Farorar are even better. The small SD shows the data set is constrained within a tight range.

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Segnir
Purple    Average   0.566    Green   Average   0.434
             SD     0.144              SD      0.144
            +1SD    0.710             +1SD     0.578
            -1SD    0.422             -1SD     0.290

Farorar
Purple    Average   0.648    Green   Average   0.352
             SD     0.077              SD      0.077
             +1SD   0.725             +1SD     0.428
             -1SD   0.572             -1SD     0.275
What this tells us is that we should continue to get multiple readings from each system. 7 times is a sweet spot because it's enough data to be meaningful, but not so much that you're wasting all your free time watching things flash on your screen.
I think we should also use the "mean of the ratios" from each set of readings so it smooths out any peculiar or outlier data points.
This is the copied sheet I've been using...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dKwhwlTK56SBSWdliwaXkwl2KY1p058x6KR9raAJJPk/edit?usp=sharing

That is some really nice work you did there. Must have cost you dozens of hours. Thanks for your effort.

Nonetheless the result seems to be that this pulses could be random:
1. The pulses are not changing only when you go in a certain direction - something that would be essential for a "hot-hotter-cold-freezing..." game - but they change every time.
2. The pulses are sometimes too different, even when the systems are pretty close to each other. For example Viroman and Erisha.
3. Even within the same system, looking in the same direction, the amount of signals fluctuate heavily. You shouldn't get different result when testing at the same position.

Or did i miss something?
The fluctuation you talk about gets smoothed out when you take the means of the flash ratios for multiple readings.
High school statistical maths can help you determine if a set of data is random, or is a defined value with a spread either side.

Reading 'And Here the Wheel', looks like it might be known as 'Federation Blink Code' as opposed to Morse, but is federation and a thing in the galaxy. Just thought I'd mention it.
Now that sounds interesting Grumbleweed. I don't have a copy of the book, so can you summarise what the "Federation Blink Code" is please?

Hi Guys,

It is my sad duty to report due to heavy testing and a mistake on my part, my unknown artefact has been lost.

I had completed colour test 3 and had just gone to colour test 4's location when I mistakenly jettisoned the ua into super cruise thinking I was in normal space.

I am sorry I have let you all down.
You haven't let anyone down. You've been the primary mover behind testing hypotheses for UAs. And it's not like they've all been destroyed, we still have RedWizard's and mrtree's don't we?

I've taken to working with both purple and green because we don't know which colour means what. It might be that more purple is closer to the source instead of green for all we know. We've all *assumed* the green is the right one because "green is go". I'm not saying Wishblend or anyone else is wrong, but I am saying we need to consider both possibilities equally.
 
That's my UA-Hunter:
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70N,5TP5TP0_g3we3RO3h0,2-6Q7_6Q5K7_6a5A,7Sk4_w5Bk2UI2jw

I can collect bounties while hunting, but also have all necessary scanners on board. I can travel with it pretty comfortably. And it's fairly cheap. (Even more so if you buy everything in Li Yong-Ruis territory.)

Thank you very much I have a pretty basic cobra so it will be a while till I get that but thank you.....

- - - Updated - - -

Thank you Wishblend!
 
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You haven't let anyone down. You've been the primary mover behind testing hypotheses for UAs. And it's not like they've all been destroyed, we still have RedWizard's and mrtree's don't we?

Ratking15 and Mrtree, I believe.
RedWizzard lost his while flying to the Voyager probe a good while back.

Out of curiosity what ships do the people who are hunting/or have UA's use? That's too bad Wishblend nice job on all your work though.

I'm using an Imperial Courier:
Shipyard link

Based on option A) below...

So.... Tactics to get some more?
A) small ship, pray the ua escapes from the t9. Grab it and scarper
 
Now that sounds interesting Grumbleweed. I don't have a copy of the book, so can you summarise what the "Federation Blink Code" is please?

Well, its basically morse code, i.e. flashing laser pens between ships to communicate a simple message in a dot/dash way, only its called Federation Blink Code in the book.

"..then he realised the light wasn't flashing. it was blinking.

Federation Blink Code.

"Two short flashes, one long flash, a long break. Two long flashes, a short flash"

I-T--M-E"

I just put that series into a morse code translator and sure enough, its the same.

What is interesting is that its a Federation thing, not an Alliance thing, which would seem to err towards a human Federation item and not alien... not conclusive, but...
 
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That's my UA-Hunter:
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70N,5TP5TP0_g3we3RO3h0,2-6Q7_6Q5K7_6a5A,7Sk4_w5Bk2UI2jw

I can collect bounties while hunting, but also have all necessary scanners on board. I can travel with it pretty comfortably. And it's fairly cheap. (Even more so if you buy everything in Li Yong-Ruis territory.)

You obviously don't intend to take the UA anywhere once you catch it? I see no cargo space on your Vulture?

EDIT: sorry, I did quickly scroll down but missed the other replies saying the same thing.
 
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Well, its basically morse code, i.e. flashing laser pens between ships to communicate a simple message in a dot/dash way, only its called Federation Blink Code in the book.

What is interesting is that its a Federation thing, not an Alliance thing, which would seem to err towards a human Federation item and not alien... not conclusive, but...

I'm coming to the opinion that the UA is a human-alien collaboration or retroengineered alien tech. It's clearly unorthodox in design, but it's got some human characteristics too (the morse code for example).
 
So.... Tactics to get some more?
A) small ship, pray the ua escapes from the t9. Grab it and scarper

B) a grade python. Take out the support solo, then pick at the hatch

C) a grade python. Ram the t9 Shields, cargo limpets, pray you get the ua before the sky falls in

I have the python with scanners galore, and collector limpets, so far t9 have just had painite


D) python with wake an cargo scanner and !!! patience !!!. T9 will loose one wing each jump/wake dive.
collector limpets > hatch breaker limpet

Test it with other convois. Hafnium/Antiques/Painite ("SAP 8" if you have the ranking for the mission)

The main key for me is mass (see Mtree's effort). I would expect the same better qoute of we try it again together.
So only small ships to support and search are needed to dive in the SSS, see if "Chatter" start and only then must hold position for a while.
This "magic monday" mostly a dozen CMDR was diving in each SSS in same system.
Solo is fruitless since a long time. I know what I'm talking from ....
 
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Well, its basically morse code, i.e. flashing laser pens between ships to communicate a simple message in a dot/dash way, only its called Federation Blink Code in the book.

"..then he realised the light wasn't flashing. it was blinking.

Federation Blink Code.

"Two short flashes, one long flash, a long break. Two long flashes, a short flash"

I-T--M-E"

I just put that series into a morse code translator and sure enough, its the same.

What is interesting is that its a Federation thing, not an Alliance thing, which would seem to err towards a human Federation item and not alien... not conclusive, but...

Hmmm, does anyone know do the Empire nav beacons do "Federation" morse? (Is still hoping for a Rosetta Stone)
 
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Solo is fruitless since a long time. I know what I'm talking from ....

Do you mean solo just as in diving into SSS by yourself, or doing so in 'solo' mode?
I'm wondering if the specific SSS instances we are looking for are only available in Open.
 
Hey all. Just wanted to say I haven't given up yet, I've just been taking a break from ED. As a lot of you know I put a lot of effort into this for the first two or so months and it really burned me out. After a pretty long break I'm almost ready to start up again. I haven't been able to keep up with the thread much, but just remember that it has been stated that we had been overthinking this, and from what I'm seeing it's going in that direction again. Keep it reasonable, and hopefully I'll be helping out some more soon :)

Cool!

Hi Guys,

It is my sad duty to report due to heavy testing and a mistake on my part, my unknown artefact has been lost.

I had completed colour test 3 and had just gone to colour test 4's location when I mistakenly jettisoned the ua into super cruise thinking I was in normal space.

I am sorry I have let you all down.

Here are my results for test 3.

I moved to a fresh area in normal space for each drop and scan.

For each drop and scan I pointed my ship at the same point in the sky every time.

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..................sigh.......and gulp......I would post my video I had prepared but.......that's if I lose mine and it's the last one......

D) python with wake an cargo scanner and !!! patience !!!. T9 will loose one wing each jump/wake dive.
collector limpets > hatch breaker limpet

Test it with other convois. Hafnium/Antiques/Painite ("SAP 8" if you have the ranking for the mission)

The main key for me is mass (see Mtree's effort). I would expect the same better qoute of we try it again together.
So only small ships to support and search are needed to dive in the SSS, see if "Chatter" start and only then must hold position for a while.
This "magic monday" mostly a dozen CMDR was diving in each SSS in same system.
Solo is fruitless since a long time. I know what I'm talking from ....

I have to add that we should avoid using collector limpets as they suicide usually against your ship, in my opnion the best way to do it is wing and just have your wing mate be on standby to pick it up if it pops out but that option is best for small ships and solo people really.....
 
Do you mean solo just as in diving into SSS by yourself, or doing so in 'solo' mode?
I'm wondering if the specific SSS instances we are looking for are only available in Open.

I can confirm findings in Open and Private Group (Solo play). See older postings with proof if you like.
Start in Solo for UA hunt is as mentioned a few pages before: bad choice
At least with start in your own private group (as example) you are able to request support if you find a UA and can't claim it alone (Point defence, limpets empty ...)
But our Dr.A will not hear ... ;-)

In fact with this horror USS/WSS/SSS spawn design you don't have to find anything.
All came to you! If you are at the right place and go to full breake (throttle zero) you anly have to wait.
But the quote seems very low. FEDV seems to like if only 5 from 500.000 player/game copies are able to gain this UA.
Rest have to watch youtube videos ...
Ah I forgot: and better grind propaganda cargo in this famous PowerPlay ...

Happy hunting (ar waiting for better days ..)!


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Results were independent if "in wing" or not. (<1.3)
Results were independent if "Trinkets of hidden fortune" was in cargo or not. (>1.3)
Frontier has, can and will chance at any time ...

With the tons of Hafnium convois now I tend to secure a few from this 1.2 invention too.
Was not many tests with that commodity to read.
 
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Cool!
I have to add that we should avoid using collector limpets as they suicide usually against your ship, in my opnion the best way to do it is wing and just have your wing mate be on standby to pick it up if it pops out but that option is best for small ships and solo people really.....

Congrats to your promotion to #1!
So it works in a war ...
As it seems all cheated UA's are gone feel free to consider the offered storage option again.
The "SAP 8" are all yours. Sell or test at will.

We salute you!
 
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