Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[Whiskey Galore]

I'm more worried about the new faction weapons. Reading the latest Galnet, could professor Denzile Dex be a Thargoid plant? Providing weapons that would be useless against Thargoid ships? Are they planning their invasion of Human space and how far have they gone?
They glow green too. They all seem use similar energy sources. Will they be useless against Thargoid weapons and ships?

 

[QorbeQ]

What's in Sleipnir? As-in stellar objects.

 

[Kulin]

Ah, you guys are talking about the "inbetween purrs"?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2503227&viewfull=1#post2503227

I don't think those seem to be morse, I'll give them another listen in this video.

No, the normal Purrs changed significantly in that video. Instead of always 6-7 there are 2-3 per sequence.

The Chittering changed, too:

I have a old chittering recording of sleipnir from the sync test:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4h97u3sutjsmuue/old_sleipnir.mp3?dl=0

And this is the new chittering recording from the SAP-8 test, also in deep space sleipnir:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/74gbcddc9ugi731/new_sleipnir.mp3?dl=0

Its different in length and it sounds different.

I really hope you morse-dudes can tell us the difference with this recordings.

 

[rizal72]

Do the ... arms ... on the UA usually glow like that?

As an aside, I listened to the second youtube link. Sleipnir A 1. No other chittering, but interesting that it exhibited the slowest purrs yet.

As a further aside, here's a graph of binary data.

http://elite.darke.org.uk/Chart.png

Except this ISN'T analysis of the purrs. This is generated by a program I wrote which generates a random number between 0 and 255, only counts those WITHOUT sequences of three or more consecutive bits, randomly (50/50) truncates those to 5 or 6 bits by shifting right 2 or 3 bits and then tallies them up. If you run it for 111 valid binary sequences you get the chart above.

If you run it for MANY cycles, you get distinct tiers of tally, but for shorter data samples (like we have for the UA) it repeatedly produces graphs like the above - which looks like English letter distribution, but in this case clearly isn't as it's random.

That's not to say the purrs aren't slow-coded binary representations of characters, and I do wish that the purrs comes out to mean SOMETHING (as it's TOO binary-like), but I did a lot of analysis during the previous thread and only ever got gibberish when trying character substitution from the data that we acquired.

It is compelling when you compare the frequencies to standard letter frequencies, but that's what made me think to actually check the results of 5-and-6 bit random run-length-limited data and see what the graph looked like, and the results were a touch disappointing as they didn't just look "random" as I expected.

Thanks QorbeQ, we were waiting for you descending from the stars with your morse skills
So no other chittering? You mean that two consequent chittering transmit the same name? Because in that video, everytime I'm waiting for the second chittering, Ratking comes back to cockpit view, where chitterings are not audible anymore...

 

[Kulin]

Do the ... arms ... on the UA usually glow like that?

As an aside, I listened to the second youtube link. Sleipnir A 1. No other chittering, but interesting that it exhibited the slowest purrs yet.

You were too fast. Thats sad but also strange. Why are there less purrs with SAP-8 around? I haven't seen a single example up to day where the purrs are different.

And isn't the glow that thing wishblend has analyzed in his pulse-test?

 

[bitstorm]

What's in Sleipnir? As-in stellar objects.

You having trouble too?

 

[rizal72]

You having trouble too?

Ahaaaaaaaaaa! Something's up here, I told ya!
Is there another System's name? eh? eh? eh?
Ratking15, Zenith, Spanksh, Nilreb and Britain where are you? Tell us about Sleipnir...

 

[Kulin]

@bitstorm:

Btw. There is also a new kind of sound in the video at ~10:30, about 1 second in length. Its pretty quiet but i never heard if before.

https://youtu.be/AtqJTOgPrps?t=10m28s

Do you think it's an inbetween purr? I'm not sure.

 

[LordZoltan]

No, the normal Purrs changed significantly in that video. Instead of always 6-7 there are 2-3 per sequence.

The Chittering changed, too:

I have a old chittering recording of sleipnir from the sync test:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4h97u3sutjsmuue/old_sleipnir.mp3?dl=0

And this is the new chittering recording from the SAP-8 test, also in deep space sleipnir:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/74gbcddc9ugi731/new_sleipnir.mp3?dl=0

Its different in length and it sounds different.

I really hope you morse-dudes can tell us the difference with this recordings.

I can tell; you that the new one ends in the Morse for '1' (dit-dah-dah-dah-dah) and the old one doesn't. I'm on my phone, so can't do much more, but - being sceptical - my guess is the second one was closer to a planet or star in a pair (don't know what Sleipnir has in terms of planets/stars) than the first test, and the first test was only emitting the system name.

 

[Whiskey Galore]

Has anyone tried to shoot the UA with one of the new faction weapons?

 

[bitstorm]

Ahaaaaaaaaaa! Something's up here, I told ya!
Is there another System's name? eh? eh? eh?
Ratking15, Zenith, Spanksh, Nilreb and Britain where are you? Tell us about Sleipnir...

Ahhh don't get too excited.

Decoding these is hard, QorbeQ is better at this than me, but for me I often have to find a reference, and from there if I know the system name I can trace letter by letter verifying all the way through.

I'm at work right now so not ideal circumstances (and I have to get back to work) I'll have a look later if QorbeQ hasn't already cracked it.

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No, the normal Purrs changed significantly in that video. Instead of always 6-7 there are 2-3 per sequence.

The Chittering changed, too:

I have a old chittering recording of sleipnir from the sync test:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4h97u3sutjsmuue/old_sleipnir.mp3?dl=0

And this is the new chittering recording from the SAP-8 test, also in deep space sleipnir:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/74gbcddc9ugi731/new_sleipnir.mp3?dl=0

Its different in length and it sounds different.

I really hope you morse-dudes can tell us the difference with this recordings.

Just had a quick listen to that first one, it sounds essentially the same to me. Or at least I'm picking up key similarities in the core of it.

 

[rizal72]

Ahhh don't get too excited.

I was joking...
BTW thanks for your effort!

 

[QorbeQ]

You having trouble too?

I only listened to one clear chittering. As I said above, Sleipnir A 1. I wasn't aware that any of the other cycles changed but will see if any others are different later.

I was asking simply because of the much lower quantity of purrs - can't decide if it's to do with SAP8s (twelve arms aren't there? We tried 12 of them?) or the system it's in.

 

[bartmoss]

Do the ... arms ... on the UA usually glow like that?

Yeah, I think so.

If you run it for MANY cycles, you get distinct tiers of tally, but for shorter data samples (like we have for the UA) it repeatedly produces graphs like the above - which looks like English letter distribution, but in this case clearly isn't as it's random.

That's not to say the purrs aren't slow-coded binary representations of characters, and I do wish that the purrs comes out to mean SOMETHING (as it's TOO binary-like), but I did a lot of analysis during the previous thread and only ever got gibberish when trying character substitution from the data that we acquired.

It is compelling when you compare the frequencies to standard letter frequencies, but that's what made me think to actually check the results of 5-and-6 bit random run-length-limited data and see what the graph looked like, and the results were a touch disappointing as they didn't just look "random" as I expected.

Welp, at the moment we can't even agree on the width of a byte, so there's that. And if we get to 3,4, and 7 bits, we'll have too many symbols anyway.

You don't have any transcripts of your previous work sitting around, do you? Until I have something better to contribute I might as well pursue this angle some more.

Besides, it'd be a bit disappointing if it all comes to "grab items a,b, and c and follow this special NPC mission to the big secret".

 

[Jacob Marshall]

Am only 300ly from Sleipnir if we're in need of a system map; could be there in about 10 minutes if needed?

 

[nilreb]

Seipnir

I only listened to one clear chittering. As I said above, Sleipnir A 1. I wasn't aware that any of the other cycles changed but will see if any others are different later.

I was asking simply because of the much lower quantity of purrs - can't decide if it's to do with SAP8s (twelve arms aren't there? We tried 12 of them?) or the system it's in.

http://imgur.com/ybBGGZH
Have only scanned first sun and first planet at the friday event with Ratking15 ....
First row are only 3 HM and rest icy planets

[Cant include images since yesterday ... no clue why)

We salute you!


P.S. Your efforts are really amazing. No doubts ...

 

[Nicholas Powell]

SO THAT RAISES AN INTERESTING QUESTION:

If it's a scanner, and it's storing its local scans - then it could be carrying a whole load of cartographic data about where it's been... If so, could that data be extracted?

Could it be something that flags up when selling cartographic data at a station?

 

[bitstorm]

I only listened to one clear chittering. As I said above, Sleipnir A 1. I wasn't aware that any of the other cycles changed but will see if any others are different later.

I was asking simply because of the much lower quantity of purrs - can't decide if it's to do with SAP8s (twelve arms aren't there? We tried 12 of them?) or the system it's in.

I think what's been catching me out is there's some short "ughs" in there, like a quiet monkey ooo sound, they're dots it seem, I don't think I've seen those before, it makes the s hard to pickout.

But anyway yeah a confirmation on Sleipnir A1. Interesting that the test was done in "deep space", I guess that's one of my questions from earlier answered.

 

[Kulin]

I think what's been catching me out is there's some short "ughs" in there, like a quiet monkey ooo sound, they're dots it seem, it makes the s hard to pickout.

But anyway yeah a confirmation on Sleipnir A1. Interesting that the test was done in "deep space", I guess that's one of my questions from earlier answered.

So the morse part is again not helpful. But what now? 2 recordings of sleipnir. One with 6-7 purrs. One with 2-3 Purrs. Only difference: SAP-8. What can we learn from it? SAP-8 changes the behaviour?

Can't be sure, because the test has not been done without SAP-8. There were many ships around. Could be that there was some other kind of influence.

I also want to repeat the Question about the SAP-8 Container lights. Do container lights always blink like that? There even seems to be some kind of symbol on it.

 

[bitstorm]

Do container lights always blink like that? There even seems to be some kind of symbol on it.

Pretty sure toxic waste blinks.

I have a video at home, I'll double check later.