The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.

[rbstewart7263]

which means that just like when you attack a station you cant really "do" anything. (you can bring a stations health to 0 but it wont do anything) If you cant do it well dont do it.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I can imagine the idea of a new mode going down as well as a fart in an elevator by the current open crowd

PS I am pleased that fart is not a restricted word.......

If another mode was received in that manner then it would have been better received than unfettered Guilds in Open for those players who do not want them.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Additionally it would be messy to have in running alongside PP. It would be splintering the game play and the universe quite badly in my opinion.

 

[VladtheImpaler]

People do camp the stars for people just warped into the area, experienced it popping into Rhea's HQ's for the first time as an attempt at stopping me/people collecting fortification cargo, they both blew me up and i was left wondering if NPC's were actually going to do anything to stop them as HQ should have been a hot territory for the enemy.

Having to get through one area to get to your guilds base might give the Open pvp'ers what they have been craving as it causes choke points. Causing excitement.

But then, what about guild stacking and being mighty outnumbered? Might cause too much terror going through a system to get to yours. This is something the 'open' players would have to discuss, how much they are concerned with loss.

Not everybody knows about private groups means separate area, this is something i had to learn. Another thing to be considered. It causing a divide.

There are no choke points to camp in ED. If I'm in a rival guild and I know the enemy guild is in a certain system, I would just go around it to get to my guild's station.

 

[D Junglist]

The problem I see with this is ED isn't Eve. The galaxy is persistent but instanced. So you could be attacking someone's POS (player owned station) but they couldn't defend it because you'd brought 32 people and maxed out your instance.

Couldn't it be a bit like powerplay, set up a challenge so you could have up to 16v16 battles in that area to then own their station or destroy it otherwise the stations shields prevent any type of damage.

There are no choke points to camp in ED. If I'm in a rival guild and I know the enemy guild is in a certain system, I would just go around it to get to my guild's station.

But then you would be hit by another guilds system.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

If another mode was received in that manner then it would have been better received than unfettered Guilds in Open for those players who do not want them.

How about FDEV taking a copy of its Shadowban Server and turn that into a Guild Server - that way you'd be able to safely separate the guild players, and the majority of us who are playing ED without the need to turn it into EvE can go on playing happily.



(Yes, I know - teehee!)

 

[M00ka]

There are no choke points to camp in ED. If I'm in a rival guild and I know the enemy guild is in a certain system, I would just go around it to get to my guild's station.

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I can think of one choke point in every system - the Nav Beacon! Every ship comes out of FS at the Nav Beacon. They have to spend at least a few seconds (often a lot longer) in SC just orientating themselves to their next jump vector, more if the target vector is obscured by the sun. More than enough time to interdict someone!

 

[LittleJP]

Where's the option for no guilds but player owned stations?

 

[VladtheImpaler]

Couldn't it be a bit like powerplay, set up a challenge so you could have up to 16v16 battles in that area to then own their station or destroy it otherwise the stations shields prevent any type of damage.



But then you would be hit by another guilds system.

That's the fun part of this thread. We can throw stuff out there and see what sticks.

Maybe player systems aren't immediately next to each other ?

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

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I can think of one choke point in every system - the Nav Beacon! Every ship comes out of FS at the Nav Beacon. They have to spend at least a few seconds (often a lot longer) in SC just orientating themselves to their next jump vector, more if the target vector is obscured by the sun. More than enough time to interdict someone!

More accurately, the choke point at each system is the main star at that system - which is where the FSD dumps you, at the end of a Jump. You don't necessarily end up right on a Nav beacon at every jump, and not all systems have one either.

All it would take for a pack of players (say, 10) would be to hang around the main star and wait for players to jump in - end even then, hopefully into the same instance as them, and you could ambush those players.

I'll re-iterate - NO to guilds, player/guild-owned stations and all the rest of that barf. It simply doesn't suit Elite. It doesn't - as David Braben says - feel right.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

The point of guilds and player stations is to create conflict and fight over a station with other guilds taking part.

The universe is enormous and we can find a way to have the player stations either far from civilized space or in a corner of civilized space.

Commanders who don't want anything to do with it can just avoid the systems. The amount of player stations would be miniscule compared to NPC stations.

It's always easier to attack the weak. Big guilds will form peace treaties with other big guilds and attack small guilds. Small guilds will attack players who are not in a guild. Things like "they entered our system", "they traded in our system and took away our profit" will become standard. Sadly I've seen that happen to often in games.

"Commanders … can just avoid the system" is a good example of that mindset. Your suggestion would create a number of "no go areas" for anybody not in a guild and restricting their gameplay.

The galaxy is big, but the human inhabited bubble isn't that big. How will CMDRs in a guild earn money for the insurance of their ships? There need to be NPC stations for trading, for outfitting and buying new ships. Once there are NPC stations to support the guilds that space isn't far from civilized space, it's civilized space. The result would be a part of the galaxy where single commanders can't go while at the same time the guild players can go where ever they want. This would be a huge advantage for guilds.

With your ideas you created a system that "forces" players into guilds. Those players will join the biggest guild that gives them the biggest advantage. Within 2-3 months two or three guilds will dominate the game.

 

[VladtheImpaler]

Where's the option for no guilds but player owned stations?

I'm so sorry. It didn't even occur to me that that would be an option anyone wanted. I messed up!

 

[Janichsan]

This is only a few hours old. Let it play out.

The result won't change much, not in a few hours, days or weeks.

 

[VladtheImpaler]

It's always easier to attack the weak. Big guilds will form peace treaties with other big guilds and attack small guilds. Small guilds will attack players who are not in a guild. Things like "they entered our system", "they traded in our system and took away our profit" will become standard. Sadly I've seen that happen to often in games.

"Commanders … can just avoid the system" is a good example of that mindset. Your suggestion would create a number of "no go areas" for anybody not in a guild and restricting their gameplay.

The galaxy is big, but the human inhabited bubble isn't that big. How will CMDRs in a guild earn money for the insurance of their ships? There need to be NPC stations for trading, for outfitting and buying new ships. Once there are NPC stations to support the guilds that space isn't far from civilized space, it's civilized space. The result would be a part of the galaxy where single commanders can't go while at the same time the guild players can go where ever they want. This would be a huge advantage for guilds.

With your ideas you created a system that "forces" players into guilds. Those players will join the biggest guild that gives them the biggest advantage. Within 2-3 months two or three guilds will dominate the game.

ED is not set up to work for large guilds. With 32 player max in an instance, battles would have to be wings of 16v16.

 

[Robert Maynard]

ED is not set up to work for large guilds. With 32 player max in an instance, battles would have to be wings of 16v16.

Taking into account observed player-per-instance maxima, I'd expect it would be less than 16 vs 16 - I've seen a maximum of 14 other players in an instance recently (and that was a station instance).

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Commanders who don't want anything to do with it can just avoid the systems.

At the start of this thread, you requested people would not simply respond by going: Go play Eve. And I agree. It's a non-response. But with the same sentiment I'd like you to not tell other people: Just avoid the system. Because that is also a non-response.

I'll make this very clear:
You will not tell me where I should and shouldn't fly.
I will not be restricted by other players where I can and cannot dock.

You can try to use your ship to stop me.

 

[Robert Maynard]

At the start of this thread, you requested people would not simply respond by going: Go play Eve. And I agree. It's a non-response. But with the same sentiment I'd like you to not tell other people: Just avoid the system. Because that is also a non-response.

Forum members should, in general, refrain from suggesting that others "go back to" another game. Please note the closure post in a recent thread:

The thread has been closed.

It has been noted that participants have been resorting to name-calling relating to games that other participants may (or may not) have played. This is unacceptable and will not be permitted to continue. Posts past this point in time which continue this type of behaviour should be reported as insulting other members. To be clear, "go back to <insert game name here>" is not acceptable.

Another point to note - it is no surprise that some players of Elite: Dangerous have come from EVE in particular - the games share a genre and that there are many players who are passionate about one or both of these games should not come as a surprise to any of us. With Star Citizen also in development and well supported it seems that there is more than enough room in the galaxy for all three of these games (and more are in development). During the development of this game and now, post release, there are fairly regular posts requesting that this feature or that mechanic be added to the game, features and mechanics that seem to be sourced from EVE. As the design of E: D was put in place over two and a half years ago, when suggestions are made that would require the game to change direction (in some cases) from what the existing player-base has been expecting for a considerable time, friction can arise. That is not to say that that excuses any unacceptable reactions from players, rather it may go some way to explain why some participants seem to have a short fuse when particular features are requested (almost certainly not for the first, second or even third time).

 

[VladtheImpaler]

The result won't change much, not in a few hours, days or weeks.

We should leave it open so people feel they can be heard on the issue. If it's the same result as last time after a few days, so be it.

Or, since ED is such a beautiful, immersive game. If FD is rolling in dough one day, they can make a game with territorial conflicts using all of the existing assets. I think it would put eve out of business and they would get more commanders and more cash!

 

[DrugaRunda]

The game is selling relatively well, and my guess is that the change in direction may come after the game starts losing playerbase in more significant numbers, to try and rescue it.

We are far away from that, and even thought I am not opposed to the idea (I voted yes ) there are many more important issues that FD should be addressing in the near future comparing to allowing this in current ED universe.

 

[jabokai]

The result won't change much, not in a few hours, days or weeks.

Now you've said that, it probably will - shill accounts are pretty easy to set up.