Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[bitstorm]

Because, if you listen to him, first he talks about the UA, about the fact that we started to do "something" and we stopped, leaving it half-made, than he talks about "Exploring" and he says "we gave the Explorer, and the SAP 8, and all of that, the truth is there! Just keep going on with what you were doing, keep on..."

I don't think I';ve heard this one, got a link?

One of the first things that were proposed, even by Erimus, was to take the UA to the Outer Rim, we talked a lot about the permitted regions, than we stopped talking about that, because we assumed that it would be almost impossible to carry the UA that far...

But those are all speculations, I know.

What I'm asking concretely now, is to check if some permitted regions are now selectable and reachable with the FSD, while carrying those THINGS

Pretty sure this has been tried not too long ago. Maybe someone else can confirm.

On the Outer Rim...

The trouble is, people come in and propose all sorts of things. And I'm not being funny but almost everyone seems convinced their answer has gotta be the right one!

I know I fell into this trap (again) last night.

The trouble with the Outer RIm is it spans ~350,000 light years!

But yeah, maybe something does happen when the UA reaches anywhere on the circumference and can get a clear line out of the galaxy.

I honestly don't think getting the UA to Sag A, outer rim etc... would be that difficult. It would take a bit of time, dedication and teamwork but it wouldn't be too hard, just rather time consuming.

But I think with the UA, for testing it's all risk vs reward and I think those holding them would nee need more than conjecture before such a thing happened.

 

[DextersIndignation]

Do these things point a certain way?

From what I have seen they just float about being lazy....

But if it is some sort of transmitter they may have to line up to send a message.



edit.
i just checked the compass thing has been ruled out...

 

[LordZoltan]

My only concern with this theory is its allot of work. I dont doubt for one second that there is rhyme and reason in the way they designed this thing. Whether it be in the patterning on its texture, or in the sound design, i think both approaches would be designed with some kind of logic in mind. The morse being something very cool about it but perhaps not necessarily the "point" of it at all.

If you think about it, the conversation would probably be

Artist: "Ive been thinking, what if we put the scales on the side in the order of mayan numbers"

Designer: "yeah that would be freaky, might suggest that they have interacted with ancient man" etc,

Not "lets hide the secret in a code only some serious analysis would break." That's why Kerrash said we were "overcomplicating" our approach.

Point being, you might decipher the message on the side and find an artists signature (uber troll!), but the actual function of the thing is more likely to be much much more straight forward and accessible. Its a designed secret that they think we will figure out with ONE more hint. Not a codebreakers manual, any hint from them will give it away apparently. So i'm certainly erring on the side of its a simple obvious trick were missing. Deciphering mayan numerology is likely to lead to discovering something interesting, (about the dedication of the art team) but not advance us any closer to its purpose.

Same kind of goes for the morse in my eye. Its certainly a cool feature but morse is something Fdevs sound team use all the time, and might just be a layer to the aesthetic of the device, and not necessarily be related to its ultimate function, outside of storytelling.

But all roads lead somewhere so dont think im not amazed with the codebreaking qualities of the team in this thread! i juts think Fdev needed to factor in luddites for this easter egg hunt.

(I think the thargoids will show up and whoevers the first to see them will dictate our relationship from now on, wouldn't that be amazing? RAtking started the new thargoid war in whatever date because he refused to hand over his U.A etc etc)

I think the morse is a crucial part - we were directed to listen to them, by MB, and we did. Two months later the morse was theorised and confirmed...

But my scepticism about numbers etc still remains, despite what I've just posted.

Just seems to me that we have not one but two mysteries:

1) The UA, and
2) where are the Voyagers, and why have they been moved (not suggesting a conspiracy, just wondering if perhaps they've been put somewhere more accurate than they were before)

There could be a link, and all the time the Voyagers are still missing, there's a nagging feeling that they kinda need to be found

 

[Eolan]

I don't think I';ve heard this one, got a link?



Pretty sure this has been tried not too long ago. Maybe someone else can confirm.

On the Outer Rim...

The trouble is, people come in and propose all sorts of things. And I'm not being funny but almost everyone seems convinced their answer has gotta be the right one!

I know I fell into this trap (again) last night.

The trouble with the Outer RIm is it spans ~350,000 light years!

But yeah, maybe something does happen when the UA reaches anywhere on the circumference and can get a clear line out of the galaxy.

I honestly don't think getting the UA to Sag A, outer rim etc... would be that difficult. It would take a bit of time, dedication and teamwork but it wouldn't be too hard, just rather time consuming.

But I think with the UA, for testing it's all risk vs reward and I think those holding them would nee need more than conjecture before such a thing happened.

The most obvious function is that its a beacon, maybe the morse is just interference with its signal, a very elegant, obvious and very cool solution would be take it into the dark corners of space and it will summon "them."

It either takes us to thargoids, or it brings them here. All of the codebreaking is going towards a world where we need to do something to it, maybe its already functioning and doesnt need anything except transporting. How long does it take exactly to eat its way out of the ship? Could we draw a circle around its starting location (radius being how far it could possibly travel before escaping) and see if any significant landmarks are nearby?

MAybe the voyagers, thargoid equivalent is a UA. They took ours because we took theirs


It woudl be hilaious if they were just followingt he U.A around, hiding in witchspace watching us going "were right here guys!?? cant you see us??"


Oh and i posted Kerrashes hint earlier in the thread, here its is again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RD6rmO_28s from 11 mins. Its the closest thing to a statement form Fdev, besides "have you listened to them".

Btw what is the flavor text on the diamond back?

 

[Jacob Marshall]

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MAybe the voyagers, thargoid equivalent is a UA. They took ours because we took theirs ...

That's a thought

 

[LordZoltan]

This is a bit of a noob question, but I haven't tried it and being so far out from a repair shop I don't want to in case it works, but can you terminate the FSD early and drop out in between systems?

 

[bartmoss]

Btw what is the flavor text on the diamond back?

"The Diamondback Explorer was Lakon Spaceways' response to criticism of the original Diamondback ship class. By extending the ship's frame it allowed greater cargo capacity and so greater mission variety and endurance. It also brought the ship more into line as a smaller brother to the successful Asp line although at much more modest price range. The Explorer model can fulfil the same roles as its companion ship type, but also able to operate as a fast transport and resupply vessel useful for supporting deep space operations in a hostile environment."

 

[rizal72]

This is a bit of a noob question, but I haven't tried it and being so far out from a repair shop I don't want to in case it works, but can you terminate the FSD early and drop out in between systems?

You cannot do anything while "Frameshifting". The right panel is not accessible... sorry. Was a good idea

I don't think I';ve heard this one, got a link?



Pretty sure this has been tried not too long ago. Maybe someone else can confirm.

On the Outer Rim...

The trouble is, people come in and propose all sorts of things. And I'm not being funny but almost everyone seems convinced their answer has gotta be the right one!

I know I fell into this trap (again) last night.

The trouble with the Outer RIm is it spans ~350,000 light years!

But yeah, maybe something does happen when the UA reaches anywhere on the circumference and can get a clear line out of the galaxy.

I honestly don't think getting the UA to Sag A, outer rim etc... would be that difficult. It would take a bit of time, dedication and teamwork but it wouldn't be too hard, just rather time consuming.

But I think with the UA, for testing it's all risk vs reward and I think those holding them would nee need more than conjecture before such a thing happened.

Here you are: https://youtu.be/4RD6rmO_28s?t=10m23s
And at around 13:00 it says the thing about "stopped half-way"...

I really know that bringing it that far it's HARD. That's why, before doing it, it's better to know where to bring it
And my request about the map and permit systems (Regor, Polaris).

Pretty sure this has been tried not too long ago. Maybe someone else can confirm.

Been tried only with the UA

 

[bartmoss]

He is talking in general about thargoids and then mentions that they didn't give us the D:E without a reason and that we are going to need it's firepower. The topic "UA" was at this point long over in my opinion.

I took it as being one continuous topic, but I see that it could be understood both ways. Either way it seems to be a strong nudge to go out and explore instead of wasting time with decoding crap the UA may or may not be doing.

 

[bartmoss]

The trouble with the Outer RIm is it spans ~350,000 light years!

Depends. How do you define Outer Rim? the outer rim of the galaxy? Or the outer rim of human exploration?

The later would be far more reasonable. And then you could also read it as simply meaning "far away from here".

 

[bitstorm]

Oh and i posted Kerrashes hint earlier in the thread, here its is again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RD6rmO_28s from 11 mins. Its the closest thing to a statement form Fdev, besides "have you listened to them".

Ahh ok I *have* seen that.

I don't think he's saying:

"Because, if you listen to him, first he talks about the UA, about the fact that we started to do "something" and we stopped, leaving it half-made"

He's saying (and I'm paraphrasing here), "if anyone's been following it and given up, go back, there's something to find there."

He's just encouraging people to get involved, he's not giving away any clues.

On the UA he specifically says "there is an interesting secret there"

But bear in mind this video *predates* the morse code discovery.

 

[rizal72]

Ahh ok I *have* seen that.

I don't think he's saying:



He's saying (and I'm paraphrasing here), "if anyone's been following it and given up, go back, there's something to find there."

He's just encouraging people to get involved, he's not giving away any clues.

On the UA he specifically says "there is an interesting secret there"

But bear in mind this video *predates* the morse code discovery.

He still talks about Exploration, and space occupied by "THEM" and so on.
So, for me at least, the UA has to do with exploration. The question remains, and is "where?".
And my request to check permitted systems with the SAP 8 in the cargo bay, remains. The test has been done only with the UA.

EDIT:
Another thing that amazes me is that he said the whole Thargoids story will change depending on the first encounter with them and how the player meeting them will behave... that's really awesome...

 

[Eolan]

Btw kerrash also said "if a player gets interdicted by one... etc etc" Maybe flying about with a UA might get you interdicted out in deep unexplored space... Very simple and works with the whole "instance" design.

And yes it does predate morse code, but he really is hinting at interaction with said thargoids, not just a cool secret, hes saying content.

 

[Han_Zen]

Hi,

i started again and made a little bit more of documentation how i calculated most numbers.

For all others. Im talking about the markings on the side of the UA. They seem to be similar to the mayan number system and can be translated directly into numbers:

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More about this number system can be found here. A calculator can be found here.

Here are my results from both elements. As you can see they can be interpreted in many ways. The only correct - if you go strictly for the rules of the mayan number system - would be the longest number. All others are some kind of reinterpretation. I hope this pictures makes it more clear:

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As you see this markings are too similar to ignore that connection. The numbers we get from them however don't make any sense on the first view.

I hope some of you have an idea what we can do with this numbers or are able to find some kind of delimeter to split them into smaller ones.

They may also be the key to some kind of other code. For example to put the purrs into the right order to get any sense out of them.

I think you are spot on with the calculations.
For the first image, I think the symbol you marked with 1 and 3 might be a 4. Normal Maya numbers use 4 columms for each row. The UA markings only have 3. This is not a problem as long as you have an alternative way to wright 4.

For the second image, I think one og the symbols in the 17 might be a 0.

Will look at other images to se if it is more visible there,

 

[MarktJones]

Interesting comment in the Kerrash vid about Thargoids having much more space than Humans do. I'm suddenly quite worried about being out on my own in unknown space.

Is there a map/list with where the UA were found? Just wondering if they create an edge beyond which might indicate where the Thargoid space is.

 

[rizal72]

Btw kerrash also said "if a player gets interdicted by one... etc etc" Maybe flying about with a UA might get you interdicted out in deep unexplored space... Very simple and works with the whole "instance" design.

And yes it does predate morse code, but he really is hinting at interaction with said thargoids, not just a cool secret, hes saying content.

There are already people been interdicted very far away from colonized space, so, perhaps, if those players had the UA with them... who knows... it'd not been an Eagle then...

 

[bitstorm]

He still talks about Exploration, and space occupied by "THEM" and so on.
So, for me at least, the UA has to do with exploration. The question remains, and is "where?".

No I think the same..

That the UAs canisters each contain a SAP8 core crystal.

That the UAs SAP8 crystals hold mapping data.

That the mapping data contains the locations of things ~not yet know to humans~. Most likely is the UA's origin.

This is why I was trying various things to retrieve the contents of a SAP8 container a few pages back.

And my request to check permitted systems with the SAP 8 in the cargo bay, remains. The test has been done only with the UA.

Aye, I can check some later tonight if you want.

 

[Allitnil]

Depends. How do you define Outer Rim? the outer rim of the galaxy? Or the outer rim of human exploration?

The later would be far more reasonable. And then you could also read it as simply meaning "far away from here".

The outer rim of human exploration *is* the outer rim of the galaxy!

 

[Kulin]

I think the morse is a crucial part - we were directed to listen to them, by MB, and we did. Two months later the morse was theorised and confirmed...

But my scepticism about numbers etc still remains, despite what I've just posted.

Just seems to me that we have not one but two mysteries:

1) The UA, and
2) where are the Voyagers, and why have they been moved (not suggesting a conspiracy, just wondering if perhaps they've been put somewhere more accurate than they were before)

There could be a link, and all the time the Voyagers are still missing, there's a nagging feeling that they kinda need to be found

I'm with you in that scepticism thing. But this readings are so specific! Why would anybody create such a thing if it has no meaning? Is it art-design? Do they want to fool around with us? Whatever it is: it's most certainly another hint to "Look, we, the creators of the UA know humanity very well!" Just like the morse code.

 

[CMDRBaked..]

That has already been tried but it might trigger a reaction exploding next to another item, maybe a SAP 8. The problem is we just don't have enough to spare for this kind of test.

After i get home from work i'll join the search and with any luck we can get another for wishblend if she wants to be under the burden again.

I'll help find them too. Where should i be looking?

Give me some system names and ill get on it this evening, for the greater good of course. We need these bad boys.