Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[mrtree]

I took the UA on the "Halsey Tour" tonight (did it in one playthrough, in the order listed in GalNet - https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/05536c768f3cc2432a738c08ad198530bd7c2e88). For all destinations, I took the fastest route, scooping the KGM-FOAMs along the way. Places stopped:

* HIP 53688 - https://youtu.be/bLPGoQ0jRks
* Tinia
* Aleumoxii
* 78 Ursae Majoris
* Dietri
* Su
* Furuhjelm I-645 - http://youtu.be/aSfPz3aZFo0 (right next to the gas giant w/ ammonia-based life)
* (Detour to) Azaleach

I didn't record everywhere (because there wouldn't have been enough time for me to finish the whole tour in one sitting). At each system, I went to the closest star port & did:

* Repair / Refuel
* Sold Carto data
* Checked for a Black Market (Mostly 180s, Azaleach is still 169k)
* Checked for missions

Nothing cropped up & I made it to Azaleach without incident. The only vaguely interesting thing was I dropped into a SSS within Azaleach that had a Federal Navy convoy (two T-9s, 3 Anacondas, 4 Cobras). Only the T-9s had cargo, one carrying 1t Hafnium-178 & the other had 3t Painite.

IMO, this kills the Halsey theory, but I'd be happy to go back & test other things/record if anyone has ideas.

 

[LordZoltan]

If you seen my post about the EMP bomb and the comparison to how the UA explodes it looks like it is opening a rift or something. And do not the thargoids travel in space using extra dimensional space.

Sorry, you're not following your own argument here.

On what do you base your argument that it's 'like an EMP bomb'? Is it because it's a bit like one you've seen in films?

Or have you seen one in real life?

How is that not a major assumption?

How do you know it's Thargoids? There has been no actual proof that it is - so it's wrong to assume that it is. We have an insectoid-like artefact that is also exhibiting behaviour similar to human-made technology. That does not automatically mean Thargoid. It just means it's possible.

Leaving it to expire is not a new idea - it's been on the table for days, but the consensus has been to continue to study - and had the original compulsion to allow them to expire been followed, then the Morse behaviour would never have been discovered.

Let them expire and nothing happens - no more studying until a new one is found, which is taking weeks at the current spawn rate (unless FD dial up the spawn rate to help us - which is another assumption).

Let them expire and something happens, then great - but the risk is too great, versus what potentially is still to be gained by holding on to them.

 

[LordZoltan]

I took the UA on the "Halsey Tour" tonight (did it in one playthrough, in the order listed in GalNet - https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/05536c768f3cc2432a738c08ad198530bd7c2e88). For all destinations, I took the fastest route, scooping the KGM-FOAMs along the way. Places stopped:

* HIP 53688 - https://youtu.be/bLPGoQ0jRks
* Tinia
* Aleumoxii
* 78 Ursae Majoris
* Dietri
* Su
* Furuhjelm I-645 - http://youtu.be/aSfPz3aZFo0 (right next to the gas giant w/ ammonia-based life)
* (Detour to) Azaleach

I didn't record everywhere (because there wouldn't have been enough time for me to finish the whole tour in one sitting). At each system, I went to the closest star port & did:

* Repair / Refuel
* Sold Carto data
* Checked for a Black Market (Mostly 180s, Azaleach is still 169k)
* Checked for missions

Nothing cropped up & I made it to Azaleach without incident. The only vaguely interesting thing was I dropped into a SSS within Azaleach that had a Federal Navy convoy (two T-9s, 3 Anacondas, 4 Cobras). Only the T-9s had cargo, one carrying 1t Hafnium-178 & the other had 3t Painite.

IMO, this kills the Halsey theory, but I'd be happy to go back & test other things/record if anyone has ideas.

Great work, CMDR, thanks for providing such a comprehensive report on such a comprehensive test

Can't rep, unfortunately, but here's a virtual +1

 

[mrtree]

Great work, CMDR, thanks for providing such a comprehensive report on such a comprehensive test

Can't rep, unfortunately, but here's a virtual +1

While I'm in the region, I'm going to test a couple close-by systems, just to check if there's any black markets with a lower price (kinda price triangulation).

Edit: Found one. The nearby HIP 30130 lists it at 100 Cr lower. I'll keep poking around tomorrow night, though I'm dubious we'll find an "origin" system this way.

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I still think we should listen to the UA from inside a DB Explorer. Suggested it yesterday, was mostly ignored ;(

I can't switch ships, otherwise I'd be willing to try. I went back & listened to the Kerrash Landing #110, I think he's talking about Thargoids in conjunction with the DBE (needing defenses while far away & the huge amount of space that is Thargoid-inhabited).

 

[rizal72]

Good morning CMDRs!
It seems we have two "rounds" of posters here, the ones from Europe and the ones from USA, posting at different times, so that each morning someone has to read dozens of new posts

About the "let it die" theory: It's been discussed since day one, and I agree that the UA needs to be studied further before doing that.
Same thoughts about selling it.
Moreover, that "rip space" animation you are seeing during UA explosion is clearly a graphic issue/glitch, It's been already discussed long time ago.

i have read it a few times that some in here say, that UA and Sap8 cant have a connection, because UA was there since 1.2 and Sap8 since 1.3
To be honest...thats stupid.

No one is saying that the UA and SAP 8 are not related! We've talked about it all yesterday!
The majority of us thinks that they are part of the same mystery, but we don't know if they may act together, or each on its own, providing two different results to the story or one together.
SAP 8, in particular, is surely related to the Dark Wheel and the mystery of Raxxla, the Door to another "place".
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=100&p=2535287&viewfull=1#post2535287

 

[Han_Zen]

Great work, CMDR, thanks for providing such a comprehensive report on such a comprehensive test

Can't rep, unfortunately, but here's a virtual +1

Virtual +1 to Mrtree from me as well.

 

[Kulin]

I think you got it right with these Mayan numbers. I'm actually realy optimistic about this.

Check out this page on how to calculate the numbers: http://www.basic-mathematics.com/mayan-numeration-system.html

Because that part you got wrong

Sorry not th do this my selfe, but I'm on phone only.

There are better quality images in the thread as well.

Hi,

i started again and made a little bit more of documentation how i calculated most numbers.

For all others. Im talking about the markings on the side of the UA. They seem to be similar to the mayan number system and can be translated directly into numbers:



More about this number system can be found here. A calculator can be found here.

Here are my results from both elements. As you can see they can be interpreted in many ways. The only correct - if you go strictly for the rules of the mayan number system - would be the longest number. All others are some kind of reinterpretation. I hope this pictures makes it more clear:





As you see this markings are too similar to ignore that connection. The numbers we get from them however don't make any sense on the first view.

I hope some of you have an idea what we can do with this numbers or are able to find some kind of delimeter to split them into smaller ones.

They may also be the key to some kind of other code. For example to put the purrs into the right order to get any sense out of them.

 

[Commandr Sam]

While I'm in the region, I'm going to test a couple close-by systems, just to check if there's any black markets with a lower price (kinda price triangulation).

Edit: Found one. The nearby HIP 30130 lists it at 100 Cr lower. I'll keep poking around tomorrow night, though I'm dubious we'll find an "origin" system this way.

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I can't switch ships, otherwise I'd be willing to try. I went back & listened to the Kerrash Landing #110, I think he's talking about Thargoids in conjunction with the DBE (needing defenses while far away & the huge amount of space that is Thargoid-inhabited).

I think Kerrashes hint about the DBE is nothing to do with the ship its self.

I think it is more likely just that once we take the UA into "Thargoid Space" they will come and find us.

It leaves the question though that I have no idea where Thargoid Space is and I don't know how far any Cmdr would be able to get with the UA eating their ship.

Maybe the chain gang approach would be needed but that would require a lot of trust from one of the current UA holders.

 

[Kulin]

I think Kerrashes hint about the DBE is nothing to do with the ship its self.

I think it is more likely just that once we take the UA into "Thargoid Space" they will come and find us.

It leaves the question though that I have no idea where Thargoid Space is and I don't know how far any Cmdr would be able to get with the UA eating their ship.

Maybe the chain gang approach would be needed but that would require a lot of trust from one of the current UA holders.

To me his hint sounds more like: you got the Diamondback Explorer because you are going to need it's firepower when they are coming.

 

[bitstorm]

Yes well toxic waste does the same thing. Would it not just be simple for a programmer to give the same degrade as toxic waste. Instead of programming a whole new function. For there to be more then one isnt an answer as to why they do what they do. If you are an alien race sending more then one to scout an area would be better then one, would it not.



Come on look at the gif of it exploding.
http://i.imgur.com/X6FjMwf.gif

How do you know this is not just a visual artifact, there are other weird graphical effects in game. There are nebulas that look like they have symbols drawn into them, like literally someone has scrawled something in them. Some folk were suggesting it's the artist having a laugh.

It turned out to be a side effect of the mesh the engine uses to draw the nebula.

On Occams' Razor. Do you think your theory fits given the likeliest, simplest and most obvious thing to happen is the following:

• Pilot enters SSS
• Pilot shoots up ships
• Pilot finds unusual item
• Pilot sells it for a crap load of credits!!! (200,000 and upwards)

Item goes to a collector and well the aliens don't get their data.

I think this has happened a whole bunch of times in game, how does your proposed trigger work in that scenario?

 

[Eolan]

I think Kerrashes hint about the DBE is nothing to do with the ship its self.

I think it is more likely just that once we take the UA into "Thargoid Space" they will come and find us.

It leaves the question though that I have no idea where Thargoid Space is and I don't know how far any Cmdr would be able to get with the UA eating their ship.

Maybe the chain gang approach would be needed but that would require a lot of trust from one of the current UA holders.

I agree i think this is what kerrrash meant when he was referring to the diamondback. Im not sure how far away from inhabited space the U.A's have been taken, but a trip to the core? seems like the closest to the other side of the galaxy He said "they are out there, they own more space than we do, its quite scary actually". I think he means outside of human space, its Thargoid space, and if you brought a U.A out there and jettisoned it (as it eating your ship seems to be telling you maybe) they migth show up to collect it.

My other theory is that when it eats through your ship its actually pulling bits of it into witch space.

Speaking of which, its eeally surprising that the U.A doesn't change its behavior during a witchspace jump. Have we done a witchspace jump with sap 8 and U.A? (probably definitely)

 

[rizal72]

I think Kerrashes hint about the DBE is nothing to do with the ship its self.

I think it is more likely just that once we take the UA into "Thargoid Space" they will come and find us.

It leaves the question though that I have no idea where Thargoid Space is and I don't know how far any Cmdr would be able to get with the UA eating their ship.

Maybe the chain gang approach would be needed but that would require a lot of trust from one of the current UA holders.

To me his hint sounds more like: you got the Diamondback Explorer because you are going to need it's firepower when they are coming.

Exactly what I think:
I read "We gave you the EXPLORER so that you can defend yourself while carrying the UA to the Outer Rim and they will show to take it from you" ?
He also said that THEY have much more space than us!!!
The Regor's region should be the first place, Polaris the second one.
As I said yesterday:
Could someone of the UA and SAP 8 bearer try to access the GALAXY MAP to see if some places that required a permit are now ACCESSIBLE just because they have the UA or the SAP 8 with them?
Just search the Map for Polaris, and Regor.
No need to go anywhere. Just the map for now.

At least the SAP 8 could behave as a permit!

 

[LordZoltan]

Hi,

i started again and made a little bit more of documentation how i calculated most numbers.

For all others. Im talking about the markings on the side of the UA. They seem to be similar to the mayan number system and can be translated directly into numbers:

View attachment 49968

More about this number system can be found here. A calculator can be found here.

Here are my results from both elements. As you can see they can be interpreted in many ways. The only correct - if you go strictly for the rules of the mayan number system - would be the longest number. All others are some kind of reinterpretation. I hope this pictures makes it more clear:

View attachment 49970

View attachment 49971

As you see this markings are too similar to ignore that connection. The numbers we get from them however don't make any sense on the first view.

I hope some of you have an idea what we can do with this numbers or are able to find some kind of delimeter to split them into smaller ones.

They may also be the key to some kind of other code. For example to put the purrs into the right order to get any sense out of them.

Can't believe I'm posting this... Because the level of scepticism I have toward this is huge, but there's less 'squeezing' of the markings into symbols than I originally thought...

When I calculated the number of light seconds we might expect to find Voyager 2 out from sol (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2534483#post2534483), I came up with the number 1,838,807.16438ls (I expressed it as 1.838mls in that post, but still have the raw result up on my phone's calculator!).

With insertion of a decimal point five digits towards the end (and I admittedly can't see a reason to justify doing that, but even so), that number is uncomfortably similar to your third top->down/right->left number for the first 'leg': '183306107273' -> 1,833,061.07273. It's only about 5,000 different...

For the UK readers, I've just taken a massive pair of handfuls of Maldon Sea Salt, but, that is a bit of a strange coincidence.

What it means for the other number, for the other leg, I don't know.

But it could mean the ancient human link, suggested also by an FD Galnet about the Soontill relics, could be alive and well for the UA, and it also could mean that finding the Voyagers just became a valid pressing goal for this rag-tag bunch of 'scientists'

 

[Kulin]

Exactly what I think:
I read "We gave you the EXPLORER so that you can defend yourself while carrying the UA to the Outer Rim and they will show to take it from you" ?
He also said that THEY have much more space than us!!!
The Regor's region should be the first place, Polaris the second one.
As I said yesterday:
Could someone of the UA and SAP 8 bearer try to access the GALAXY MAP to see if some places that required a permit are now ACCESSIBLE just because they have the UA or the SAP 8 with them?
Just search the Map for Polaris, and Regor.

From what he says i was not able to make the connection to "carrying the UA far away into the outer rim". How do you come to this conclusion?

He is talking in general about thargoids and then mentions that they didn't give us the D:E without a reason and that we are going to need it's firepower. The topic "UA" was at this point long over in my opinion.

 

[Commandr Sam]

Can't believe I'm posting this... Because the level of scepticism I have toward this is huge, but there's less 'squeezing' of the markings into symbols than I originally thought...

When I calculated the number of light seconds we might expect to find Voyager 2 out from sol (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2534483#post2534483), I came up with the number 1,838,807.16438ls (I expressed it has 1.838mls in that post, but still have the raw result up on my phone's calculator!).

With insertion of a decimal point five digits towards the end (and I admittedly can't see a reason to justify doing that, but even so), that number is uncomfortably similar to your third top->down/right->left number for the first 'leg': '183306107273' -> 1,833,061.07273. It's only about 5,000 different...

For the UK readers, I've just taken a massive pair of handfuls of Maldon Sea Salt, but, that is a bit of a strange coincidence.

What it means for the other number, for the other leg, I don't know.

But it could mean the ancient human link, suggested also by an FD Galnet about the Soontill relics, could be alive and well for the UA, and it also could mean that finding the Voyagers just became a valid prrssing goal for this rag-tag bunch of 'scientists'

Is defo worth checking to see what is that distance out now, I guess a little research is required in which direction to fly.

 

[Zieman]

I think it is more likely just that once we take the UA into "Thargoid Space" they will come and find us.

It leaves the question though that I have no idea where Thargoid Space is and I don't know how far any Cmdr would be able to get with the UA eating their ship.

That brings those permit restricted volumes of space to play again, along with Thargoid-related regions in FFE. Pleiades, Polaris, Miacke (doesn't exist in E: D Galaxy?).

 

[Eolan]

Hi,

i started again and made a little bit more of documentation how i calculated most numbers.

For all others. Im talking about the markings on the side of the UA. They seem to be similar to the mayan number system and can be translated directly into numbers:

View attachment 49968

More about this number system can be found here. A calculator can be found here.

Here are my results from both elements. As you can see they can be interpreted in many ways. The only correct - if you go strictly for the rules of the mayan number system - would be the longest number. All others are some kind of reinterpretation. I hope this pictures makes it more clear:

View attachment 49970

View attachment 49971

As you see this markings are too similar to ignore that connection. The numbers we get from them however don't make any sense on the first view.

I hope some of you have an idea what we can do with this numbers or are able to find some kind of delimeter to split them into smaller ones.

They may also be the key to some kind of other code. For example to put the purrs into the right order to get any sense out of them.

My only concern with this theory is its allot of work. I dont doubt for one second that there is rhyme and reason in the way they designed this thing. Whether it be in the patterning on its texture, or in the sound design, i think both approaches would be designed with some kind of logic in mind. The morse being something very cool about it but perhaps not necessarily the "point" of it at all.

If you think about it, the conversation would probably be

Artist: "Ive been thinking, what if we put the scales on the side in the order of mayan numbers"

Designer: "yeah that would be freaky, might suggest that they have interacted with ancient man" etc,

Not "lets hide the secret in a code only some serious analysis would break." That's why Kerrash said we were "overcomplicating" our approach.

Point being, you might decipher the message on the side and find an artists signature (uber troll!), but the actual function of the thing is more likely to be much much more straight forward and accessible. Its a designed secret that they think we will figure out with ONE more hint. Not a codebreakers manual, any hint from them will give it away apparently. So i'm certainly erring on the side of its a simple obvious trick were missing. Deciphering mayan numerology is likely to lead to discovering something interesting, (about the dedication of the art team) but not advance us any closer to its purpose.

Same kind of goes for the morse in my eye. Its certainly a cool feature but morse is something Fdevs sound team use all the time, and might just be a layer to the aesthetic of the device, and not necessarily be related to its ultimate function, outside of storytelling.

But all roads lead somewhere so dont think im not amazed with the codebreaking qualities of the team in this thread! i juts think Fdev needed to factor in luddites for this easter egg hunt.

(I think the thargoids will show up and whoevers the first to see them will dictate our relationship from now on, wouldn't that be amazing? RAtking started the new thargoid war in whatever date because he refused to hand over his U.A etc etc)

 

[rizal72]

From what he says i was not able to make the connection to "carrying the UA far away into the outer rim". How do you come to this conclusion?

He is talking in general about thargoids and then mentions that they didn't give us the D:E without a reason and that we are going to need it's firepower. The topic "UA" was at this point long over in my opinion.

Because, if you listen to him, first he talks about the UA, about the fact that we started to do "something" and we stopped, leaving it half-made, than he talks about "Exploring" and he says "we gave the Explorer, and the SAP 8, and all of that, the truth is there! Just keep going on with what you were doing, keep on..."

One of the first things that were proposed, even by Erimus, was to take the UA to the Outer Rim, we talked a lot about the permitted regions, than we stopped talking about that, because we assumed that it would be almost impossible to carry the UA that far...

But those are all speculations, I know.

What I'm asking concretely now, is to check if some permitted regions are now selectable and reachable with the FSD, while carrying those THINGS
And in one of the last patches, FD have extended the distance a System could be, to give a permit to another near System...

 

[Eolan]

From what he says i was not able to make the connection to "carrying the UA far away into the outer rim". How do you come to this conclusion?

He is talking in general about thargoids and then mentions that they didn't give us the D:E without a reason and that we are going to need it's firepower. The topic "UA" was at this point long over in my opinion.

he put emphasis on the "scout" part, and said wed have the ability to defend ourselves while out "exploring".

 

[rizal72]

he put emphasis on the "scout" part, and said wed have the ability to defend ourselves while out "exploring".

Exactly.