The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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I would have liked another option in the poll as it is really related to the subject. An option for individual hangers we can place where we want where we can store our ships, modules etc
This could be a first step to stations but since there is no option for this very much wanted feature, even over player owned stations I think, is missing I have to vote no.
This could be a first step to stations but since there is no option for this very much wanted feature, even over player owned stations I think, is missing I have to vote no.
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Who are these people who believe that? Probably not even the OP who requested the poll.
I think it's a legitimate point to say that the demographic of the player base will have changed since the original poll was posted. With more of the "Xbox" generation being involved now, enhanced multiplayer functionality (such as guilds, player ownership, corporations, multiplayer-crewing of vessels, pilot professions etc etc etc) is bound to be more appealing.
There is a point where, if they genuinely want the game to succeed, people will have to accept that the game has to evolve into something fit for the current date - even if that means making it "not Elite" any more.
If FD really want to sample opinion, they should launch referendums from within the game - that'll give a definitive answer. (Actually, that's a great idea.)
I enjoy watching how much that votes changed since its been posted to reddit.
Have you ever played in a well run guild?
Most include rules dealing with how the guild interacts with the community, how the players interact with themselves, etc. Guilds I rep for understand that your actions in the game mean something and should not be intolerant, should be helpful, etc. to the game at large. Same with interplayer actions. Join a few guilds...you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Now many find that keeping a PG 13 guild might hobble their 'player rights'...well then, these types of guilds are not for those players. However, the majority of guilds out there are more 'real people' than ats and megalomaniacs. However, the better guilds do not make the headlines.
How guilds interact with the community...and how single players interact with the community is also more about how well the ToS is maintained by the devs and how well the community reports issues and violations. GW2, although having many issues with the game itself, has one of the best known and even tempered communities. That's because the ToS is observed...people report folks for breaking it and the devs ban folks from playing when they are reported. This certainly would go a long way to fix things in this community if it occured.
LOL, well spotted Professor. I wonder which way they voted
Unfortunately we have multiple examples of whingeing on the forum leading to FD changing their mind (aka caving in to pressure). IMHO, most of those mind changes have been detrimental tot he game: others disagree, of course.
LOL, well spotted Professor. I wonder which way they voted
I voted no to both. Having Guilds while Galactic powers exist doesn't make sense to me honestly.
I would rather that expand on the powers other than guilds.
Robert Maynard
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It's been put forward previously as the only way to guarantee that only players vote. However, given that players may not play all the time or may even take breaks from the game, how long should such an in-game poll run? Another point would be that no-one would know which way the result was going until it was announced.
Agreed. Imagine if David Braben & Ian Bell had listened to people whilst making Elite.
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Robert Maynard
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Rule 2: Meh.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED!, to read this!
Perhaps when the poll has closed we can get final numbers based on the final result minus the zero-day voters?
That would be fair, in my opinion.
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What if guilds were represented in the game just like current factions in the background simulation are, with your denial of entry masked as 'low reputation' and a guild being able to offer jobs that increase this reputation (with reputation shown as is in game, functioning as is in game, without the ability for players to override this). Jobs much like the mission board except that they get to choose them "Kill X people of this faction in this system".
Not suggesting I want that, although such a system would undoubtedly be fun to join in with.
Lol, the only way we could complain then was by writing a letter...
The Drunks of Sol approve!
If you can be bothered to crawl back through the thread, you will see that I made the same point. Indeed, I also noted my surprise that the poll result was little changed compared to the old poll (the old poll was 61.66%, at the time I made that comment, 'no' on here was at 59.xx%). The change in this poll all happened with the influx of new first time posters, presumably largely from the reddit thread.
As an 'old timer' who bought into the vision DBOBE was peddling, I am far from delighted that the game being built moves further and further away from that vision at every release. Had they 'finished' that vision first, then no complaints. But they have not, and it is hard not to feel at least somewhat suckered.
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Scudmungus
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http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/hicss/2009/3450/00/07-08-05.pdf
So, on de plus side, accordin to 1 paper takin outta de Ether, wi be lookin at increase in self esteem an loyalty, be makin fah longer playin/betta gamin motivation. Don righti wid right mons an minds, den wi in fah a gud ride.
On negative side, wi be lookin at increase in loyalty to guild structure wid self-esteem bein connected to relation wid guild (an character but hey). Now, mi got control of mi character - dis no problem. Mi not got control of mi guild? Den mi be havin problem - dem control de guild impactin on me self esteem an impact on mi flow (pleasure an excitment). Dis can be problem for aal .
Tuff call. Som gud, lot bad - but bad dependin on mons an minds. Ting is, anonymity of gamin not be famous for bringin de best from mons and minds. Mi? Mi not wantin to give up dat kinda control any many a mon may be findin dem in a bad situation, leadin to negativity, in game, on boards an IRL. So playin safe, not wantin guilds if 'guilds' be WoW strucutre an representin - an wot I seein above? Dat remindin me of aal dat. Mon be offerin solution to de negative, aal gud - dey betta be bold an right solution to protect gamin pleasure an excitment!
So, on de plus side, accordin to 1 paper takin outta de Ether, wi be lookin at increase in self esteem an loyalty, be makin fah longer playin/betta gamin motivation. Don righti wid right mons an minds, den wi in fah a gud ride.
On negative side, wi be lookin at increase in loyalty to guild structure wid self-esteem bein connected to relation wid guild (an character but hey). Now, mi got control of mi character - dis no problem. Mi not got control of mi guild? Den mi be havin problem - dem control de guild impactin on me self esteem an impact on mi flow (pleasure an excitment). Dis can be problem for aal .
Tuff call. Som gud, lot bad - but bad dependin on mons an minds. Ting is, anonymity of gamin not be famous for bringin de best from mons and minds. Mi? Mi not wantin to give up dat kinda control any many a mon may be findin dem in a bad situation, leadin to negativity, in game, on boards an IRL. So playin safe, not wantin guilds if 'guilds' be WoW strucutre an representin - an wot I seein above? Dat remindin me of aal dat. Mon be offerin solution to de negative, aal gud - dey betta be bold an right solution to protect gamin pleasure an excitment!
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Robert Maynard
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By the time someone had played the game to be able to decide that they needed to write a letter it was already far too late - the game had been released!
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