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The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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Guilds themselves aren't controversial, exploiting forum mechanics to alter a poll is though. That's the sort of low down exploitative behavior I would expect of a guild.
Under 1000 votes against a playerbase of 640,000+ is a trivially small sample size, so the results (regardless of the outcome) are statistically insignificant.
FD can easily determine how many of the votes come from users/associated email addresses that don't own the game (even I could do it using simple SQL queries and a spreadsheet).
The only way a poll with ANY meaning could be done would be a 'vote once' option after logging into the launcher. However, I doubt FD will bother to do this, as they've already indicated that guilds are not something they are interested in adding to the game.
BTW - I voted for no guilds or player-owned stations.
FD can easily determine how many of the votes come from users/associated email addresses that don't own the game (even I could do it using simple SQL queries and a spreadsheet).
The only way a poll with ANY meaning could be done would be a 'vote once' option after logging into the launcher. However, I doubt FD will bother to do this, as they've already indicated that guilds are not something they are interested in adding to the game.
BTW - I voted for no guilds or player-owned stations.
whipdiddywhip
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i only played for a couple weeks before i quit, games to boring and lifeless, more eve features centered around social interaction and sovereignty would get me playing again so i vote yes
it's also funny seeing the nay sayers make every excuse under the sun to try and debunk the results, funny they seem to mention the poll from 2 years ago that ended with a no vote whenever it suited them
it's also funny seeing the nay sayers make every excuse under the sun to try and debunk the results, funny they seem to mention the poll from 2 years ago that ended with a no vote whenever it suited them
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Sorry my friend but did you actually read the link?
New accounts - No posts - except for the poll question - Another 10 while the response was typed.
Seems fairly damming - but that is just relegated to my opinion.
Edit: Post was a way up the thread, added for your enjoyment - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...53#post2539253
Mods have the facts and as I have said on a few other posts - This thread has received enough of my time and attention, time to close it.
You are welcome for my time.
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I don't know if you thought I wouldn't or something, but sure here you go:
Which begs the question, why the new thread and poll?
Which made a shift towards "yes" after being linked on reddit by the way. How unexpected
So no I do not see what you mean. What 'I mean' is, with neutrality, why is reddit inherently bad? As this is the suggestion I inferred from your post. My misunderstanding your post has naught to do with my comprehension nor your intelligence, but I can't help feel like now I have agitated you somewhat. My apologies, I am simply trying to understand the collective disdain for reddit that some people here have.
It's hard not to do so but because people keep saying what they voted for I am putting people into No and Yes camps like voting for the Euro. When I say 'some' people or 'those' or 'these' can we imagine that I am speaking of anyone who has considered or highlighted how reddit members or 'zero-day' forum members have influenced the poll and why their votes should be ignored?
If you were simply making an observation, again I apologise, you seemed to be following the situation with mirth so I concluded you would be the best person to ask.
Exactly, and that's why I've not played most MMO in the past 15 years.
Depends what is meant by "marketing the cause"?
participation of actual players is obviously cool but............ A yay! sayer from another forum drumming up a posse of his/her same thinking buds to sway a poll just makes the whole thing daft and smells of primary school politics.
Agree that the poll didn't actually mean anything but it was (I think) meant as a general straw poll rather than the heavy debate that it has become
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Good point, although I suspect player base is significantly less than number of copies sold.
It'd be quite amusing if FD did do that query; just out of interest I would probably do that in my own time if I worked there! At least the polls before this were representative of the people who gave enough of a damn to talk about the game and its features here, FD's home, whether representative of the off-site mass or not.
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Edit, was taking wrong direction as OP is about station ownership basically, not guilds and corps. Although I happen to think that must be a part of the equation the way it was described.
Nevermind. I don't see the advantage of this if it isn't for guilds and for guild-play I don't see it working the way most want in a real-time 3D first person game due to technical limitations.
And more content is coming in the original design. This would require serious new cash outlay and direction to enable and I much prefer the original design, although it will take 4-5 more years to realize most of that fully.
Nevermind. I don't see the advantage of this if it isn't for guilds and for guild-play I don't see it working the way most want in a real-time 3D first person game due to technical limitations.
And more content is coming in the original design. This would require serious new cash outlay and direction to enable and I much prefer the original design, although it will take 4-5 more years to realize most of that fully.
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I would hazard the Station ownership would be similar to Real Estate ownership in GTAV. It only exists as an owned thing if you invite people over, otherwise its just more scenery.
They do swing, because of how quickly information spreads and what methods are used to spread them - rather than the actual opinions swinging so dramatically.
For example - if I have a vote on the subject of council tax spread simply by word of mouth it is going to end up in wherever I spread it; most likely friends and family. Considering most of my friends and family are from a similar background - e.g. sexual orientation, faith and political view; it is likely we will see one collectively shared opine.
But when I then introduce an alternative avenue for advertising the poll I introduce potentially drastically differing opinions as the information spreads to more people with differing backgrounds.
I agree with you completely on the poll being worthless, most polls are.
... I suspect player base is significantly less than number of copies sold.
True, but someone who has bought the game, even if they don't currently play it, has a valid voice, whereas someone who has created a forum account (and maybe a throwaway email address) just to vote on this poll doesn't.
Indeed.
Ziggy is however waiting for your response
Sorry, I'm a bit behind!
Ozric
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Just because you've never played an MMO without some sort of guild system doesn't mean that they don't exist, or that Elite should be like every other MMO you have played. If it was then what would be the point of playing it
whipdiddywhip
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ever consider it coincided with ppl returning home from work? certainly would have been around that time in uk
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No, using one off throwaway accounts to influence the outcome of a vote is ballot stuffing, and getting caught immediately by the mods is just careless (and very funny).
Nobody reviles reddit that issue only exists inside your head, reddit was used to drum up support for the sock-puppet cause. The problem is not reddit the problem is trying to adversely influence a poll.
Your point is ?
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