So, all players in the UK are according to your theory pro-guilds and station ownership? Do you actually think that makes sense?
The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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Depends what time you finish work........ It happened way too early for it to be me.. I did vote from work though
I think we should have a poll of how many people post on here when they're supposed to be working..... Anon of course!
Do you have a reference for that 'no instanced PvP' quote? I would like to read it.
If you don't like the toxic reasons behind wanting guilds and station ownership being pointed out as the underpinnings of every single argument arrayed here, then post some positive ones that can't be easily reasoned away by what you aggressively and desperately claim to be "ignorant naysaying". However, your name-calling and use of inflammatory, baiting language do nothing to help support a case that is already shattered by corrupt voting practice and intimidation tactics - just the sort of behavior that many self-aggrandising guilds, when looking for notoriety and power, become known for - and precisely the sort of thing we don't want or need here.
Thank you for proving our point so comprehensively. Those of us playing Elite appreciate what you've done to keep the game on track.
whipdiddywhip
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do ppl really think that hundreds of throwaway accounts have been made to influence the poll???? HUNDREDS!!
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No evidence of exploitation or wrong doing unless your definition of forum mechanics means that people are not allowed to register to vote in a poll.
It's been discussed to death, you clearly don't understand or disagree with the point. Fine, but please stop spamming.
My fav quote ever!! Rep to you.... I will see if I can slip it in to a meeting tomorrow
It´s clearly the case.
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No I very much hoped you would
Because I sure as heck never said people from reddit voting is inherently bad. And if we have a communication barrier as you say, that needs to be removed.
Which begs the question, why the new thread and poll?
Which made a shift towards "yes" after being linked on reddit by the way. How unexpected
Where am I saying that a vote from reddit is inherently bad?
My point here simply is: the thread being linked in a reddit thread with 83% favouring guilds will adjust the results. And I was right. Coupled with the fact that people on reddit tend to be organised and drawn towards guilds.
Again, nowhere am I saying that reddit is inherently bad.
This is simple logic.
A proponent of guilds is urging people to go vote in this thread. In the vote they are behind, so that's a strong incentiviser. Coupled with the completely not inherently bad nature of players on reddit (tending towards organised player interaction) it was clear from the get-go what this would do with the vote results. A large base was mobilised. And it's inherently more easy to mobilise groups of players with a tendency for organised groups. Especially when promoted by a proponent of guilds.
Earlier on I used the example of 2 political parties during an election. Where only one party gets to campaign. This will of course skew the voting results.
So, with regard to the results, the advertising in 3 different threads that happened on reddit was bad for it's representation. If this had happened on any other medium, I would have stated exactly the same. If the yes/no roles were reversed, I would have stated exactly the same. I have studied statistics, and a part of that was related to public polling. I can talk for hours if you want on the difficulties of conducting a representative poll. Which is difficult in person, more difficult on the phone, more difficult via email and almost impossible on the internet. Which such a delicate balance, a sudden influx of likeminded individuals with the characteristics I described above, it really never stood a chance.
Mind you, the same goes for the earlier poll. I'm in this because poll results can be made to sit, roll over and fetch a newspaper if you know your way around them.
What I mean is, nowhere in those quotes do you see me say: reddit is inherently bad. You read implications into it that I didn't express.
If you are wondering whether I'm implying this, ask. Don't assume. I'm right here and happy to clarify my position.
It may have been less agitated if you had implied my favourite colour was yellow. But painting my position as "reddit is inherently bad" doesn't sit well with me.
Ah, the sympathy card. Clever. Well played. And it's working as well
No apologies necessary, but appreciate the gesture.
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Mmm that type of culture is prevalent in all walks of life, is every or are the majority of reddit users trolls and the like?
I guess my question is... is it 4chan?
Yeah that's what I'm trying to get too - are reddit users known for doing this or something? Do they often go around ruining surveys or petitions and stuff like that?
whipdiddywhip
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reddit users tend to be more sociable, therefore they'd more inclined to vote yes
Those of us that have been members of this forum for a while, and view it regularily (and no I'm not saying we're 'better' than anyone who hasn't) have developed an instinct for how ED polls develop (I'm not referring to the results, just the way the votes accumulate over time).
IMO, this poll is decidedly odd.
Neither myself or any other members (excluding FD staff and probably mods) have access to the raw data, so we can only go by our gut-feeling. When I first viewed this poll, it looked normal. Then when I looked at it again later, the number of votes and the results had changed in a way that made me think that something wasn't right.
IMO, this poll is decidedly odd.
Neither myself or any other members (excluding FD staff and probably mods) have access to the raw data, so we can only go by our gut-feeling. When I first viewed this poll, it looked normal. Then when I looked at it again later, the number of votes and the results had changed in a way that made me think that something wasn't right.
whipdiddywhip
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that's because the poll has been opened up to reddit users too, personally i'd say that reddit has the more diverse and representative opinions as ppl on official forums tend to be more inclined to fan boyism
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So what? I have many friends who don't EVER visit a forum. I asked them to vote as a favor to me and the game. Sorry you don't have those kinds of connections, I suggest making friends, or join a group. cwotididthar?
I think I heard this was an option that was seriously considered. Even I'd like that option as well since it's a stand alone feature only limited to the player him or herself.
But player owned stations here means a station withe trade and contacts and everything.
I do.
And I'm glad to have you as an unlikely ally and illustration in my argument
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To any of the FD mods. Is there any way to check for matching IP addresses from voters?
I do.
And I'm glad to have you as an unlikely ally and illustration in my argument
I find you a rare breed yourself sir. Indeed I enjoy your points and humor.
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