The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Voted no.
Sorry, I can't see it working in this game at all.
It's not designed to cater for large groups of players who could, on a whim, turn it into a complete mess.

 

[Armour]

Players create the only interesting events in the game: Lugh, Mercs of Mikunn, Unidentified Artefact (Artifcat) research, typo-free Galnet stories, Code / EIC / etc subplots

What do solo players create: "If Frontier adds guilds I'll quit!"

Come on guys, can't we all just get along and add guilds?

The system-flipping events you listed were directly influenced by the actions of solo players. The UA research doesn't exclude solo players by it's nature, and there's no evidence to claim that that no contributions have been made by solo players.

The stuff whereby PvP crews waggle their weapons at each other and badmouth each other on reddit isn't that interesting to me, to be honest.

I'd prefer some lore from the Elite universe in the game, and for gameplay (and any in-game player groups) to revolve around that stuff.

Procedurally generated history/culture/genealogy/customs could have been done if Frontier had the will, and it would have added a lot of flavour to the game, making each place feel unique.

I don't blame any player for wanting to create their own stories. There's a serious lack of material in the game itself beyond the "Powerplay Of Thrones" soap opera, which feels somewhat bolted on. There's a whole galaxy out there, but right now it feels a bit like the players have to invent their own personalities to attach to each system, as if we were all Tom Hanks in the film Castaway, and every planet was a (slightly different looking) basketball that we had to name.

Persistent NPCs will add something, as long as they come with a bit of character and (ideally) a backstory. If they're just another PG name and combat rating, then they're not really going to feel any different from the random NPCs we already have. (Of course, having the history I mentioned earlier in the game to draw from would make giving each NPC that extra flavour would be a lot easier, as they could be tied in with it.)

Some of the stuff that No Man's Sky has, like freighter ships hanging around stations or outposts, with tiny shuttle craft flying between planets/freighter/stations/outposts, would make this game feel more alive and human IMO, even without having little people running about everywhere or faces on comms links.

Hidden outposts...secret human settlements beyond the frontier...there are hundreds of things that would be far more important to improving my experience of the game than player pew-pew clubs.

I don't even mind the idea of including some form of Power-specific communication. That's not the same thing as guilds, but not too far off, and it would feel more like part of the Elite universe than some meme-ridden guild that a few players decided would be a thing in the lore now, so let's pander to their desires and forget those authors that paid good money to Frontier, and put a lot of thought into their creations so as to fit in with the existing lore.

If we end up with Galnet articles detailing the latest political conflict between "On Fleek Crew" and "The Brony Bunch", it would be a shame. I know that some people would love that, but "they're all morons who I'd happily leave inside a burning building to save a pig" (copyright Frankie Boyle)

 

[Soliluna]

I voted no. Sorry, but I deal with enough towering egos all day at work and do not have any desire to do so when relaxing at night. I can just see all the 14 year old (be it in literal terms or levels of mental development) "little Napoleons" trying to order us all around - no thanks. Sorry to be so blunt but the last thing we need is EVE 2 as we already have the abject misery of EVE 1. At any rate if ED goes down this path I am out of here.

Why would guilds you are not in order you about... and how would it be different from the way a single player of said mental capacity can do so right now?

 

[Cmdr Corran Antilles]

Which is why Powerplay was introduced - to give players groups that they could pledge to. I really cannot see player-created groups gaining any traction in Elite against the existing Federation, Alliance, Empire, Independents. There's simply not enough of them, they are too busy trying to blow other players up, and the whole notion doesn't fit with the "lore" of Elite in my opinion.


Even if the Mobius group all took far too much onionhead and decided to become a power themselves, there's only 10,000 of them. That would get squished pretty quickly under the might of the Feds/Imps etc.

No power play is community goals. It has nothing to do with guilds and accomplishes nothing in that vein. Guilds are a tool to allow grouping to do things as a group and coordinate.

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It was a reply to the post berating me for accusing you of something when I didn't, made by the poster who admitted that they did at least one of the things that I was supposedly accusing you of. You quoted that post in your reply.

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How strange, two more pages of posts and as yet, no one can explain why they want Guilds or Guild owned stations. One can only come to the conclusion they don't know why they want them either

I have said several times. I want to have an easier time communicating with my group. I want an easier way to see whose on line. Funny how you seen to ignore this even though I have brought it up several times as have others.

 

[M00ka]

I have said several times. I want to have an easier time communicating with my group. I want an easier way to see whose on line. Funny how you seen to ignore this even though I have brought it up several times as have others.

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But you aren't describing guilds you are asking for a better communication system and a more robust friends list. The poll is asking "Guilds and Guild Owned Stations". There is a large gap between being able to talk to your friends (Team Speak does this wonderfully) and having your own station!
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So far no one has really come out and said what the want guilds to do in ED, except for the talking to mates bit. I would have thought with the amount of angst shown in this thread, someone should have been able to explain exactly what they see guilds doing, how they will contribute to the game, how THEY see their guild impacting on the rest of the player population.

 

[perilousrob]

Players create the only interesting events in the game: Lugh, Mercs of Mikunn, Unidentified Artefact (Artifact) research, typo-free Galnet stories, Code / EIC / etc subplots

What do solo players create: "If Frontier adds guilds I'll quit!"

Come on guys, can't we all just get along and add guilds?

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Fact: If a solo player quits the game no one will notice.
Fact: If content creating groups quit the game it's an even more empty game.

1. Players. Not just out of game 'guilds'.
2. Solo players create the majority number of spaceships you see flying about.
3. If 1 player of ANY stripe quits, no-one but their buddies or 'enemies' will notice.
4. Everyone is a content creator. If you're specifically meaning that bunch on reddit that post looooong stories on why they're justified in blocking system xyz because they're 'some station's ally, the station tells me it everytime I dock!!' (seriously. they've used that as an actual excuse for their player groups attacking everyone that tried to enter certain systems) then I'd rather do without. It won't make my game more empty, just less frustrating.

Both of your 'facts' are not actually factual.

"But we're adding content" is only something I want to hear from FD. Because these players' idea of content boil down to self-aggrandizing posts detailing why they're not just great but right as well as slagging off the opposing 'team' and also shouting down anyone that dares voice complaint with "go to solo if you don't like it!"

Of course, it's often these same geniuses that then complain about low numbers of players in Open.

If the behaviour of that lot on reddit is in any way indicative of how 'real' player guilds would do things in Elite: Dangerous, then I can only ever vote No. It'd turn Elite: Dangerous into a hole of sanctimonious bile and acrimony. Instead of just the forums during flamebait polls.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Guilds are a tool to allow grouping to do things as a group and coordinate..

Do what as a group? Coordinate what as a group?

 

[c48113]

Again, I want guilds (or whatever you want to call them) for the simple reason to have a tool ingame to organise stuff. A chatchannel and a guildtag would be enough, I don't want some fancy tools or the ability to form larger fleets than wings (I wouldn't mind those though, if the later is available to not-guilded persons as well).

I find it funny, talking about balkanization, when we have just lone people all over space. I personally am tired to have to use out of game tools to get something done. Changing windows surely helps with immersion.

And about the 14 year old Napoleons, who cares ? Who, being mature, is going to follow their lead. It usually isn't the way that you can't leave a guild.

Oh, feared they're going to block an entrance to a system and shoot everything on sight ? As if they couldn't do that with out of game tools already. No clue, why you guys are frightened.

And to the guy stating, why the people don't do research before buying a game. This is the first MMO I bought that doesn't have player organisations, so I didn't expect that.

I am not sure anyone is arguing against improved chat/coms between players, In power play or wing or other groups. The reddit rant that started this thread doesn't stop at improved chat, it is wanting guild/player controlled space / stations and EVE style corps. Which is what many of us do not want, and others desperately want. I did research before I bought, the fact that the devs were not trying to create the social environment of some other games was a big reason I purchased beta, had I thought otherwise I would have at least waited until I could buy at retail after launch.

 

[M00ka]

Do what as a group? Coordinate what as a group?

That is exactly what I have been asking, and so far all I have got is "I wanna talk to my friends". I honestly don't think those voting YES know what they want or know what they want to do with it.
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P.S. Tried to give you REP but apparently I have already done that today - dammit stop writing good posts lol

 

[Asp Explorer]

That is exactly what I have been asking, and so far all I have got is "I wanna talk to my friends". I honestly don't think those voting YES know what they want or know what they want to do with it.

Of course they don't All they know is that big boss Guildie man has said "Create FD account and Vote YES! Or else!"

 

[Faybs]

That is exactly what I have been asking, and so far all I have got is "I wanna talk to my friends". I honestly don't think those voting YES know what they want or know what they want to do with it.
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P.S. Tried to give you REP but apparently I have already done that today - dammit stop writing good posts lol

I suspect the reason you're not getting an answer (and probably won't) is that they know very well what they want to organize but don't want to admit it - raids against other guilds so they can import their little empires from WoW or wherever. If all they wanted was better organizing they would call it that. Instead they're effectively asking for their own castles and armies.

 

[Rado]

Oh look, people do want better multiplayer.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Oh look, people do want better multiplayer.

For what value of "multiplayer"

 

[Cmdr Corran Antilles]

It was a reply to the post berating me for accusing you of something when I didn't, made by the poster who admitted that they did at least one of the things that I was supposedly accusing you of. You quoted that post in your reply.

Do what as a group? Coordinate what as a group?

Hey Fred and Sam wanna wing up and do some trading so we all get more profit?

Hey George and Harry wanna wing up and go bounty hunting at the nave point?

OK guys this wee we are flipping this imperial system to Alliance. So we need to bolster this faction. That means trading with this faction and doing their missions. Bla bla bla..

What do you guys do in the game? The game can be more fun if you are working with people who you enjoy their plays styles..

 

[VladtheImpaler]

Why would guilds you are not in order you about... and how would it be different from the way a single player of said mental capacity can do so right now?

Of course they don't All they know is that big boss Guildie man has said "Create FD account and Vote YES! Or else!"

I'm going to make a guess why people are ignoring you. Because we've gone over all of it. You guys act like you're the gatekeepers and we are all peasants who must be taught a lesson.

 

[Cmdr Corran Antilles]

I suspect the reason you're not getting an answer (and probably won't) is that they know very well what they want to organize but don't want to admit it - raids against other guilds so they can import their little empires from WoW or wherever. If all they wanted was better organizing they would call it that. Instead they're effectively asking for their own castles and armies.

More like we thought the answer was pretty obvious given that there are a bunch of things you can do in the game as wings...Or people like playing with other players...apparently you think wanting to play with others is evil or something....

 

[Asp Explorer]

What do you guys do in the game? The game can be more fun if you are working with people who you enjoy their plays styles..

If that is what gives you fun in playing Elite, that is up to you and it's absolutely fine with me. Personally I don't bother with wings, I don't bother with flipping systems, I don't bother with factions, I don't bother with missions.

I play it my way.

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I'm going to make a guess why people are ignoring you. Because we've gone over all of it. You guys act like you're the gatekeepers and we are all peasants who must be taught a lesson.

I'm going to make a statement. I don't care. That is all, thank-you everyone.

And as for people ignoring me - it's probably the single most sensible thing they have ever chosen to do

 

[Cmdr Corran Antilles]

If that is what gives you fun in playing Elite, that is up to you and it's absolutely fine with me. Personally I don't bother with wings, I don't bother with flipping systems, I don't bother with factions, I don't bother with missions.

I play it my way.

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I'm going to make a statement. I don't care. That is all, thank-you everyone.

Problem is people like you are making playing our way more difficult. Our way of play would be made significantly easier and more fun if we had tools to communicate with the people we want to play with. Us having those tools will do you no harm.

 

[M00ka]

I'm going to make a guess why people are ignoring you. Because we've gone over all of it. You guys act like you're the gatekeepers and we are all peasants who must be taught a lesson.

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Depends, did you learn the lesson? Unfortunately a lot here now suspect those asking for guilds and stations don't really know what they want or if they do, what they will do with it.
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YOUR original poll did not ask for people to vote on better communications and a better friends list, it asked if we wanted Guilds and Guild owned Stations. Some of us had the audacity to ask why and got told we didn't understand modern gaming, it is in every MMO, it is ...... But no one actually said they want guilds for these reason (notwithstanding communications which is readily available). So Vlad, as the instigator of this thread, please explain why you want what you asked for, how your idea will fit into the Elite universe without affecting all other players and what you hope to achieve by having a guild and a guild station.

More like we thought the answer was pretty obvious given that there are a bunch of things you can do in the game as wings...Or people like playing with other players...apparently you think wanting to play with others is evil or something....

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The sound you are hearing is me bashing my head against the nearest wall!
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When, pray tell, has anyone here said anything against people playing together and who says you can't now! What, you have to have a name tag to play with a friend now?

 

[Asp Explorer]

Problem is people like you are making playing our way more difficult. Our way of play would be made significantly easier and more fun if we had tools to communicate with the people we want to play with. Us having those tools will do you no harm.

Then learn to play harder