Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[Cmdr Delmonte[VR]]

Just an Idea "outside the box"

Could this be a "Receiver" or lock for a "musical" / audio Key (Think Goonies)

No sound travels in space but the computer on board turns energy into sound for Commanders the "hear"

What if we talk back to the UA ? We have 3 different discovery scanners, 3 different energy level's, 3 different "Sounds"

So 3 ships around the 3 "Receiver arms" ?? of the UA with 3 different scanners (Think close encounters of the 3rd kind)

Nothing special needed so as discussed before could have been solved in 1.2 before SAP-8, Painite, Diamondback etc
No special audio analysis needed

Just listen !

Just a thought

Fly Safe......................................................

 

[Kulin]

That is exactly what I thought as well.

I had to correct the picture. In the 12:40 Test was another purr. You indicated that some of this tests were made with the SAP8 not being in the cloud of the UA. Can you tell me if this is the case in some of the tests? Probably the 12:40?

 

[rizal72]

Thanks again Zenith,

very well made video. I like how you reduce the tests to the absolute necessary parts. Makes the audio analysis much easier.

I've made a bit of audio analysis to see if there is further information to gather. I recorded always one How to Howl Sequence (H2H) per test. I've marked hidden or silent purrs yellow. That is how it looks in audacity:

Something came to my mind:

If you watch carefully the UA (not in Zenith video as there are no UA close-ups), you can see that it seems that some pods are "not emitting light" as if they are "broken" or not working or turned off. Usually only the first two rows is "on" and some other pod.
So, perhaps, we need to take the exact number of sap8 to "complete" the missing/not working pods until we reach the number of 12 in total.

Worth a try. Just watch carefully the UA to see how much sap8 canisters are needed.

EDIT: BTW I still think that no real audio analysis is needed, apart from just listening to find something we didn't spotted already that is clearly audible. And don't forget the ORCA! Someone said he has one, meet with Zenith and listen to his UA!

 

[Han_Zen]

That is exactly what I thought as well.

I don't think the number of SAPs are that important.
If you get them close, you need less.

I still think the SAPs were added just to make the Morse easier to hear.
Do the help in that way, QorbeQ?

 

[LordZoltan]

It seems they may have gotten further than my guess.

If those nasty Purrs are infact the radio emissions characteristic of a Bussard ramjet and are slowed down due to red-shift, we have to get on the "other side" of them to change the Purrs.

This is the relativistic homeing beacon idea. That is quite silly

Oh yes, silly it is! Enjoyable too, it is, yes!

An end that is dead, most likely it is, yes

 

[Zenith]

I should make it clear that I don't consider it "my" UA. It is Cmdr Branch's UA which he has kindly LOANED to me for a few days.

Back to the point though, I was going to do more listening tests in the dark side of a planet again (helps with seeing the self-illumination of the UA) and try to concentrate on getting close up shots of the UA itself. Closer camera = louder/clearer audio and we can also check the lighting if the "pods" again. I have to admit, I didn't think to check for any visual changes in the UA when it was emitting less purrs. A problem with multiple items floating in space is that you have a little less time for stationary recording because you need a little more time to scoop the containers back up. I tried a collector drone that gave up after 2 pickups (and no, I didn't have anything targeted afaik), so I'm not trusting drones.

I'm giving serious consideration to a run at Polaris on Saturday evening with all these items in cargo (UA, 8x SAP8... any others?) and Cmdr nilreb has been in touch about the possibility with some preparation.

Cmdr nilreb also advised me to give a public warning about watching the module decay. I was intermittently repairing the cargo hatch as I went along, but I had a cargo hatch malfunction just as I arrived at Leonard Nimoy station. It spilt all the contents of my cargo and happened at 84% cargo hatch health. It was blind luck it happened in regular space, and we were able to pick up all the cargo without a problem. I'll be watching like a hawk that it doesn't go below 90% in future. Nilreb was bothered about me turning my shields off to power the AFMU, but better that than thrusters or something else.

 

[LordZoltan]

I'm still unconvinced by the SAP/UA connection - despite the excellent results from you Zenith - I think we need to rule out other, mundane, canisters having the same effect before assigning any real significance to SAP8s, in terms of the UA mystery.

After all, the only reason they're being linked is because they're both 'of unknown origin' - that really is the only reason.

Am not saying it's all wrong - just advising patience, caution and discipline

 

[Han_Zen]

Oh yes, silly it is! Enjoyable too, it is, yes!

An end that is dead, most likely it is, yes

Thanks Yoda ;-)

 

[Kulin]

I'm still unconvinced by the SAP/UA connection - despite the excellent results from you Zenith - I think we need to rule out other, mundane, canisters having the same effect before assigning any real significance to SAP8s, in terms of the UA mystery.

After all, the only reason they're being linked is because they're both 'of unknown origin' - that really is the only reason.

Am not saying it's all wrong - just advising patience, caution and discipline

I think we also got some kind of nebulous hint from Kerrash, that both of them are connected.

 

[rizal72]

Just to let you know my new Course of investigation.

I'm concentrating just on listening to the plain UA sound, without any manipulation, to find some connection with well know movies and so on.
Right now I'm on the HOWL.

This is the UA recording I'm using right now:
https://soundcloud.com/riccardo-sallusti/mars-the-unknown-artefact-1

Very interesting connections I found so far:

John Carpenter's The Thing (One of my favorites movies!):
https://youtu.be/JjIXwkX1e48?t=40s

Listen to the scream the Alien creature does while burning, and tell me that it's not similar to the Howl.

Another Clip from that film, with another kind of scream, not that similar but worth mentioning:
https://youtu.be/w0Z44BIDPPc?t=1m25s

Less interesting, not very similar, but worth mentioning:

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (There is Leonard Nemoy too...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEStsLJZhzo

I'm not mentioning Close Encounters, because the strong tuba sound similarities are found only if the UA sound is speeded up.
BTW here a nice link to listen to:
https://youtu.be/j0bBUmZHb8o?t=2m20s


Keeping on...

 

[bitstorm]

I'm still unconvinced by the SAP/UA connection - despite the excellent results from you Zenith - I think we need to rule out other, mundane, canisters having the same effect before assigning any real significance to SAP8s, in terms of the UA mystery.

After all, the only reason they're being linked is because they're both 'of unknown origin' - that really is the only reason.

Am not saying it's all wrong - just advising patience, caution and discipline

Aye same, easy to get a bit carried away.

One thing I wanted to ask, did both CMDRs see the same results?

That different commanders see different things is a really useful tool and I think we should be leveraging that if possible. If there's something important there it will likely be common to all viewing clients.

Experiments should be repeatable or it's likely just RNG.

Thanks to a side-effect of EDs P2P , there are two ways it can be done...

1. Run the same experiment multiple times
2. Run the experiment once with multiple viewing commanders all recording

The 1st method consumes time and effort (2xUAs means UA time is currently a very scare resource), the 2nd method is essentially "free".

If multiple CMDRs are there I think having both report would be useful, even if it's a simple "both CMDRs saw the same purr counts" at the end.

 

[bitstorm]

Cmdr nilreb also advised me to give a public warning about watching the module decay. I was intermittently repairing the cargo hatch as I went along, but I had a cargo hatch malfunction just as I arrived at Leonard Nimoy station. It spilt all the contents of my cargo and happened at 84% cargo hatch health. It was blind luck it happened in regular space, and we were able to pick up all the cargo without a problem. I'll be watching like a hawk that it doesn't go below 90% in future. Nilreb was bothered about me turning my shields off to power the AFMU, but better that than thrusters or something else.

I'm at work right now so can't really do it right now but I'm thinking we should have a "Taking care of your UA" section in the wiki. Then if someone finds a UA point them there and ask them to read it.

I think there quite a few gotchas where you can lose the UA if you're not on top of things.

Nilreb's warnings above, also I found when I backed away from a UA to try to find the range of the audio at ~800-900m it disappeared from my instance, when I returned to its location it did not reappear (other people could see it fine). I was using A class scanners too. It makes no sense to me why that would happen but well it did. =(

 

[Phyl]

Experiments should be repeatable or it's likely just RNG.

I agree, any hint of a connection needs to be repeated - at least 3 or 4 times - for validation, preferably with different varibales such as location, commander numbers etc. Without that it could very well be coincidence and lead us in the wrong direction.

 

[Grumbleweed]

I think we also got some kind of nebulous hint from Kerrash, that both of them are connected.

They were mentioned in the same section, along with the Scout, so it maaay be connected somehow, and I like the approach Zenith is taking, so I am sure we will see some result one way or the other, the way he is going about it.

It struck me though, after no official FD input for almost three months, and hours and hours of fruitless UA hunting (and it really isn't that much fun searching for these things to be honest). The part I am enjoying the most is this discussion and the community effort around it. Not the game itself. Isn't that a little bit perverse?

I don't think its unreasonable to ask for an increase in the spawn rate (if that's possible in relation to what they are/do?).

There are only so many 'I can't believe he fell for that' or another bunch of 'gold traps' I can tolerate without the prize of a UA spawn, after a week of searching its beginning to destroy my soul, and worse, making the game I'm playing utterly tedious, so I'm going to take a break.

I bet you solve it while I'm not looking. Keep the wiki updated while I'm away Right On Commanders.

 

[Kulin]

I agree, any hint of a connection needs to be repeated - at least 3 or 4 times - for validation, preferably with different varibales such as location, commander numbers etc. Without that it could very well be coincidence and lead us in the wrong direction.

Its a thin line. On one side we need repeatable test. On the other side we need not to forget that the UA-bearers are players like us. Its just a game. We can't expect that they make the same tests over and over again because its very time consuming and exhausting.

But at the moment i think you are right. The test is not conclusive enough, because its contraticting itself. Why are one time 3 purrs with 6 out and in another time 6 purrs with 7 saps out?

I think we should atleast do ONE test with the same amount of SAP8s in Sleipnir A1 until it purrs only three times and then let them hanging out there for 3-4 Howl to Howl sequences, to be sure. Then load in the SAP8s and see if the purring changes.

It would also nice to another test with 12 SAP8, each for every pylon of the UA.

 

[LordZoltan]

Its a thin line. On one side we need repeatable test. On the other side we need not to forget that the UA-bearers are players like us. Its just a game. We can't expect that they make the same tests over and over again because its very time consuming and exhausting.

But at the moment i think you are right. The test is not conclusive enough, because its contraticting itself. Why are one time 3 purrs with 6 out and in another time 6 purrs with 7 saps out?

I think we should atleast do ONE test with the same amount of SAP8s in Sleipnir A1 until it purrs only three times and then let them hanging out there for 3-4 Howl to Howl sequences, to be sure. Then load in the SAP8s and see if the purring changes.

It would also nice to another test with 12 SAP8, each for every pylon of the UA.

Yes, yes... But first - IMHO - do it without SAPs. That's the last time I'll suggest it - ultimately this is a collaboration and the crowd wins out. If I had my own I'd do it. Not really in a position to get one though.

Because, yes, ultimately being a UA carrier is quite a heavy burden with all the mad scientists requesting experiments - it'd probably drive me insane - huge respect to these guys

 

[nilreb]

I'm still unconvinced by the SAP/UA connection - despite the excellent results from you Zenith - I think we need to rule out other, mundane, canisters having the same effect before assigning any real significance to SAP8s, in terms of the UA mystery.

After all, the only reason they're being linked is because they're both 'of unknown origin' - that really is the only reason.

Am not saying it's all wrong - just advising patience, caution and discipline

Unfortunately i can't +rep so short again, Sir.
But here in txt: "I aprove" ...

We salute you!

 

[bitstorm]

Its a thin line. On one side we need repeatable test. On the other side we need not to forget that the UA-bearers are players like us. Its just a game. We can't expect that they make the same tests over and over again because its very time consuming and exhausting.

Which is another reason why I'm saying leverage the client-side rendering issue.

Multiple CMDRs viewing one UA is not exactly (but is close to) 1 test repeated multiple times.

I think in the end if you found something that looked conclusive yes you'd do proper multiple repeats to confirm but having multiple CMDRs view is a quick and non-time intensive to dump the red herrings.

 

[woodhouse]

Ok, let's say (for arguments sake) that the obvious fading in and out of the purring is accidental and that they've not fixed it by now because #reasons.

That still doesn't address: extremely rare object in the first place; very low data rate needing much capture; unknown encoding; no pattern or obvious repetition; no start marker for fading in and out stream; different results for every viewer and every deployment. It's just too complex to mean anything.

Those are excellent points, which IIRC you've made before and tend to agree with your overall conclusion.

 

[woodhouse]

When we were looking at RedWizzard's UA ages ago, it degraded to 0% and blew up.
Then several commanders were able to pick it up because we had different degradation counts.
We ended up with some 5 copies of the UA.

Someone said this also works with regular containers.
Would it be useful to try to reproduce this systematically so we can manufacture UAs?