Concerning Type-7, Imperial Clipper and Federal Dropship.

[askavir]

There should be another stat connected to ship. Insurability. Any insurance salesman knows that Clipper pilots are taking more risks, speeds a lot more and is generally not as good clients as trustworthy old T-7 pilots. The Clipper should have 10% insurance rate and the T-7 a mere 2.5%. In general all combat ships should be costlier to insure since combat is a high risk endevour and trading ships should be cheaper. Multi-purpose would fit inbetween.

Although I understand your ideia, basing insurance on the risk of predicted occupation, but I have to disagree because no matter which occupation is is used on, the Clipper has a lot more survivability than the Dropship, and loads more than the T-7. One can vaporise 10 T-7's faster than 1 Clipper. So if the insurance company uses the "possibility of destruction" as a risk factor to calculate insurance claim costs, the T-7 would look very bad compared to the Clipper.

And don't forget many pilots use the Clipper for tradng as it can actually take more cargo than a T-7, and no pirate in the galaxy can interdict and catch a Clipper before it disappears into the black.

 

[Pile_O_Gunz]

As a type 7 owner I will ditch it For a clipper ASAP because the clipper is just absurdly good.

The clipper hauls better than the t7, flys better than the t7 and fights significantly better than the t7 for a couple million more(insignificant when your buying ships in this price range).

I'm not sure what they were thinking when they made the clipper so good and priced it near the same as the t7. It seems to be a master of all when it should be a jack. Being a specialist hauler the t7 should carry significantly more than the clipper that should be common sense.

 

[askavir]

As a type 7 owner I will ditch it For a clipper ASAP because the clipper is just absurdly good.

The clipper hauls better than the t7, flys better than the t7 and fights significantly better than the t7 for a couple million more(insignificant when your buying ships in this price range).

I'm not sure what they were thinking when they made the clipper so good and priced it near the same as the t7. It seems to be a master of all when it should be a jack. Being a specialist hauler the t7 should carry significantly more than the clipper that should be common sense.

Its not the Clipper being too good... I love the Clipper, its my main ship and I actually hated flying the Python after flying the Clipper. But the Clipper also has some drawbacks for a ship of its size, its shield for instace, low fuel, no docking at outposts...

Its the T7 that is just way overpriced. It costs way too much money, and is quite expensive to outfit, for so little that it offers in return. Has good haulage capacity, but its a slow, cumbersome, defenceless, made of paper flying coffin. It just ins't worth what is costs. Should not cost more than 11, 12 million at most.

 

[Moahunter]

There's no need.

Look at what side the commander's seat is on.

This is a horse that has beaten to death numerous times. The dropship was made for a purpose that doesn't even exist in the game yet: troop transport. As for T7 and Clipper, I've been bemoaning the absolute superiority of multirole ships for trading in comparison to the pure tradeships in a simliar price region all over the forum for quite some time already. Asp rules supreme over T6, Clipper rules supreme over T7, Anaconda rules supreme over T9.

I agree, I quickly went from T6 to Asp, T7 to Clipper, and T9 to Anaconda (way better speed and jump range). I don't understand why anyone would choose the T's other than a stepping stone, as the multi role ships make credits faster due to their better speed and jump range, and can can make mince meat of NPC Pirates for fun. Not sure it's a bad thing, just part of the journey.

 

[Pile_O_Gunz]

Although I understand your ideia, basing insurance on the risk of predicted occupation, but I have to disagree because no matter which occupation is is used on, the Clipper has a lot more survivability than the Dropship, and loads more than the T-7. One can vaporise 10 T-7's faster than 1 Clipper. So if the insurance company uses the "possibility of destruction" as a risk factor to calculate insurance claim costs, the T-7 would look very bad compared to the Clipper.

And don't forget many pilots use the Clipper for tradng as it can actually take more cargo than a T-7, and no pirate in the galaxy can interdict and catch a Clipper before it disappears into the black.

I agree, I quickly went from T6 to Asp, T7 to Clipper, and T9 to Anaconda (way better speed and jump range). I don't understand why anyone would choose the T's other than a stepping stone, as the multi role ships make credits faster due to their better speed and jump range, and can can make mince meat of NPC Pirates for fun. Not sure it's a bad thing, just part of the journey.

It is a bad thing IMO I'd rather see a variety of more specialist ships than a linear path where each ship trumps the previous because of ridiculously good generalist ships.

 

[SongMinKi]

Why? Because Empire master race

 

[Moahunter]

^^im not sure I agree, because even the multi role ships get specialized for the role you play, so how is that different from buying a specialized ship for that role? For example, my trader anaconda with 448 cargo, it's very stripped down and wouldn't last a mixture in PVP combat. It can't mine, or explore, and I don't want it to. I like the Clipper as a fighter more than as a trader, so I can set it up that way, it can't trade then though. That the T ships suck, isnt a reason to make multi role ships suck if set up for trading, the T's are just a punishment you have to go through to get a better ship. The real fun is in acquiring those ships, then setting them up to suit the way "you" play as a trader, combat, missions, or whatever.

 

[SongMinKi]

Also, from a beginner's point of view, its not just a difference of a couple million credits, its also the ridiculous ranking system. If not for the temporary suspension of rank reqs for the courier and clipper im sure no one would give it much thought because the clipper, while amazing, is behind a rank wall. It wouldnt be an issue if the ranking system is clear cut and efficient, but i literally had a better time ranking to elite in combat than trying to get to baron in the empire simply because its just so obscure.

TLDR ; Clipper has a rank requirement that makes it effectively disabled for startups.

 

[Pile_O_Gunz]

^^im not sure I agree, because even the multi role ships get specialized for the role you play, so how is that different from buying a specialized ship for that role? For example, my trader anaconda with 448 cargo, it's very stripped down and wouldn't last a mixture in PVP combat. It can't mine, or explore, and I don't want it to. I like the Clipper as a fighter more than as a trader, so I can set it up that way, it can't trade then though. That the T ships suck, is t a reason to make multi role ships suck, the T's are just a punishment you have to go through to get a better ship.

The problem is it becomes shallow as you remove decision making. Who cares what I buy next as it's going to be better than what I have now and I can customise it how I want - yawn.

 

[Moahunter]

^even if there were exclusive trade ships, explore ships, mining ships, combat ships, how would that be different, I think that each more costly exclusive ship, is still going to be better than the last one, yawn. Right now, the best ship for trading is the most expensive ship, but the best ship for combat or missions isn't. What's the best combat/explore/mission/mining ship for me, might not be the best for you, which is the way it should be.

 

[askavir]

TLDR ; Clipper has a rank requirement that makes it effectively disabled for startups.

But startups could never afford a Clipper in the first place.

For ranking in empire, first start getting allied status with minor factions which are aligned with the empire (you can check the systems minor faction alignment on the right side console). If you are already allied with the systems empire-aligned factions, do the same on another system. Then, naval ascension missions will start to popup. Sometimes it takes more than one to up a rank. Most of them are very easy, like "take this to destination X".

 

[SongMinKi]

But startups could never afford a Clipper in the first place.

For ranking in empire, first start getting allied status with minor factions which are aligned with the empire (you can check the systems minor faction alignment on the right side console). If you are already allied with the systems empire-aligned factions, do the same on another system. Then, naval ascension missions will start to popup. Sometimes it takes more than one to up a rank. Most of them are very easy, like "take this to destination X".

You realize that once you are allied with the empire, you are automatically allied with every single empire aligned minor faction right? Id arrive in a system ive never been in and they would already BE allied. The current ranking system uses a really really dumb method by ways of counting missions completed. In theory the fastest way to rank up would be to find a system with the most empire aligned minor faction and spam charity missions as those are the fastest and easiest missions to do. Which effectively means that ranking up in the Imperial navy requires you to be a charitable philanthropist and not someone who contributes to the war effort.

 

[askavir]

You realize that once you are allied with the empire, you are automatically allied with every single empire aligned minor faction right?

Nope.

I have the "King" rank in the empire, and there are systems in which I don't even have "friendly" status much less "allied" with some of the empire-aligned factions. Your major faction alignment influences the minor faction status, but it does not guarantees allied status or even friendly at all of them.

Probably depends on other factors like government type etc.

 

[Ginrikuzuma]

Nope.

I have the "King" rank in the empire, and there are systems in which I don't even have "friendly" status much less "allied" with some of the empire-aligned factions.

are you sure they are alligned with the empire? Not every station in Imperial/Federation space actually is controlled by them.

 

[SongMinKi]

Nope.

I have the "King" rank in the empire, and there are systems in which I don't even have "friendly" status much less "allied" with some of the empire-aligned factions.

your rank and your "friendliness" with the empire is separate. I think i maxed out the empire's ally-o-meter by turning in a total of more than 500M Cr worth of combat bonds and bounties. Now no matter where i go, if there is an empire minor faction its always green.

 

[askavir]

your rank and your "friendliness" with the empire is separate. I think i maxed out the empire's ally-o-meter by turning in a total of more than 500M Cr worth of combat bonds and bounties. Now no matter where i go, if there is an empire minor faction its always green.

Then you should be getting naval ascension missions... The naval rank system was bugged but FD said they fixed it in the last update.

 

[Vasious]

You realize that once you are allied with the empire, you are automatically allied with every single empire aligned minor faction right? Id arrive in a system ive never been in and they would already BE allied. The current ranking system uses a really really dumb method by ways of counting missions completed. In theory the fastest way to rank up would be to find a system with the most empire aligned minor faction and spam charity missions as those are the fastest and easiest missions to do. Which effectively means that ranking up in the Imperial navy requires you to be a charitable philanthropist and not someone who contributes to the war effort.

No they treat you as if you are allied, the Major Faction Rep gives a Bonus to the Minor faction rep, but they are recorded separately
A Minor Faction can consider you neutral but you Allied with the Empire Rep means they treat you as if you are allied, however you actions towards them can more them along the Hostile-Unfriendly-Neutral-Friendly-Allied Spectrum
To unlock the Ranking Missions you need to work on the Minor factions and push them up to Allied for best result, regardless of if your Allied Empire Rep makes them seem like they are all Allied with you.

 

[SongMinKi]

Then you should be getting naval ascension missions... The naval rank system was bugged but FD said they fixed it in the last update.

I would be if thats how the rank progression system works, but rn it requires me to go sit in a system like Aymifa and just spam charity missions. I could throw a day and 10M cr at the minor factions there and rank up to king, but thats even more dull than trading...

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No they treat you as if you are allied, the Major Faction Rep gives a Bonus to the Minor faction rep, but they are recorded separately
A Minor Faction can consider you neutral but you Allied with the Empire Rep means they treat you as if you are allied, however you actions towards them can more them along the Hostile-Unfriendly-Neutral-Friendly-Allied Spectrum
To unlock the Ranking Missions you need to work on the Minor factions and push them up to Allied for best result, regardless of if your Allied Empire Rep makes them seem like they are all Allied with you.

That may be the case but afik your friendly-o-meter makes absolutely zilch difference in how many missions it takes to rank up. I think someone made a thread about that

 

[Chaodiurn]

Sounds like money talk to me. My Python performs better than both and gets a medium pad, simply balanced by the doubled price of the Clipper. Mind you, would the Clipper cost 40 to 50 million and need no rank the grind would be faster for most people. Thanks to the awful rank system (my opinion), there isn't much difference in work load needed to receive a Clipper or a Python.

And what now? Shall we buff the T7 cargo hold and make the Clipper cheaper? The Orca wouldn't be happy about all this.

 

[Etherin Nor]

I have a type 7 and a clipper.... the clipper was inaccessible to me until the emperor woke up the other day though.

If im honest i love the type 7, i have it set up with a really nicely balanced mining load out, thats all it does, but it feels the part, and i dont have to mess around with load outs when i want to go mining.

I would say that the solution to this issue would simply be a drop in the Type 7 price, though imperial rank does make the clipper harder to attain already.