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Renegade Roach

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vonDutch said:
Thats not what he is saying. You can say and do whatever you want, but the consequences are for you as well. From a certain professional level you can expect people to act accordingly. If you don't like something your boss does, fine, pick up your stuff and leave. If you gripe about it in public, also great, your choice, but it does not come across as very professional, on that I agree with Titus.
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It has nothing to do with professionalism and everything to do with hierarchy and management stamping out dissent. People are afraid for their jobs, they don't like anybody rocking the boat. 101 reasons being self employed is great.
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
Renegade Roach said:
It has nothing to do with professionalism and everything to do with hierarchy and management stamping out dissent. People are afraid for their jobs, they don't like anybody rocking the boat. 101 reasons being self employed is great.
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In ICT, if you can use a fork and a knife, there is no such thing as being afraid of your job. Really. Good developers are hard to come by.
 

Renegade Roach

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vonDutch said:
In ICT, if you can use a fork and a knife, there is no such thing as being afraid of your job. Really. Good developers are hard to come by.
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It's a general truism which applies to any hierarchical system with old fashioned paternalistic management structures. People toe the line. Voicing your opinion about bad management is only frowned upon because the managers are not able to brook criticism or be seen to be 'weak'. It's an outdated paradigm. If they did their jobs well they wouldn't be worrying about it.
 

Ralph Vargr

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Monk said:
It looks bad, but, for the places I've been in software dev, it is fairly par for the course.

The golden ticket is to get on a pretty well-insulated team that is given free reign to do whatever it takes.

Boy, those were the days.
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Vacation days, benefits, a rewarding stable job... those are all urban legends. :(
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
Renegade Roach said:
It's a general truism which applies to any hierarchical system with old fashioned paternalistic management structures. People toe the line. Voicing your opinion about bad management is only frowned upon because the managers are not able to brook criticism or be seen to be 'weak'. It's an outdated paradigm. If they did their jobs well they wouldn't be worrying about it.
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I have a hard time following you, or at least this is not the world I am living in. If thats the company you are working for, than it is time for another one. I (and with me another bazillion developers) am able to almost literally start at another company every day of the week.

In times like these where Agile development methods are getting more and more popular, less and less management is needed. So again, a developer doesn't have to fear for his job in these times.
And thats the point I am trying to make. You can gripe in public about your boss and try to get the attention of the mass because you don't get what you want, but in times like these you aren't putting yourself in the brightest daylight when you do, in my humble opinion.
 

Monk

Monk
Ralph Vargr said:
Vacation days, benefits, a rewarding stable job... those are all urban legends. :(
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Yeah, it is that set of perks that you can't have all of at once.

When I was able to run my web dev team w/o management, it was truly a wonderful experience where I learned a lot about how it all works, instead of just being one of the cogs whose deliverables drift into a void. The flip side though is that they paid me not much better than I would have been paid swinging a sledge hammer on the street.

Now, I'm paid much much better, but in the most soul crushing and poorly managed company (their talent mgmt is so bad that 3 of 4 working here are consulting/contracting). The product, order mgmt for telcom services, has got to be the dryest work I've ever encountered, and I got my start in the financial services sector!

The next job that I'm pulling the network strings for pays well, has good benefits and will give me a team...but comes with very long days and very demanding clients.

Just can't have it all, I suppose.
 

timbow

timbow
It's not that I don't like the thread, but the record is starting to repeat, and I would imagine the subjects of the thread have probably had enough of it by now. As a community we've also done nothing but close yet another door on the devs keeping us informed outside of normal channels.

Oh, and Renegade Roach - not a self appointed guardian of the forum, just not an entitled millenial idiot that thinks if they shout loud and stamp their feet they'll get what they want.
 
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