Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Dave1235]

yet according to some NPCs are no issue...

Funny that , I will never be the greatest pilot but I am not too bad, recently if I see my target is in a wing I check each member & KWS before I decide in which order I am going to take them on, normally when I hit the first one the odds of me KWS the rest drops. Before I would just steam in and be fine!

 

[Cody]

It can be tough out there, but Ironmouse knows how to evade, how to run!

 

[Mohrgan]

It does appear that the Open-only crowds arguments are mainly based on tired old assumptions and cliche's. Each time a new player joins the fray on the Open side, I felt like I had to drag out all of the relevant arguments every time. After 3 individual threads get started on this subject, why can't we get a FAQ. One that puts both sides of the argument head to head in one spot. That way people can see if/how their views match the on-going debate.

 

[Dave1235]

PS - be a real man and fight in a stock Sidewinder or Eagle!

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That was a low blow , I doubt I would last long in a High RES in a Viper, what will you insult me with next, try an SSS in solo with your "big boy Vulture"

I am off, I have had enough of being mocked for today (actually I am going to a high res in my vulture in solo, then later I have a pirate to hunt down in open in my type 6 I hope I find him.

If I see an SSS on the way to the RES I might look, I have heard they are brutal but maybe I can earn back my "man card"

ETA

Thanks for the smiles <chuckles again>

 

[Mouse]

That was a low blow , I doubt I would last long in a High RES in a Viper, what will you insult me with next, try an SSS in solo with your "big boy Vulture"

I am off, I have had enough of being mocked for today (actually I am going to a high res in my vulture in solo, then later I have a pirate to hunt down in open in my type 6 I hope I find him.

If I see an SSS on the way to the RES I might look, I have heard they are brutal but maybe I can earn back my "man card"

After I managed to upgrade from a T-6 to a T-7 i am thinking of reoutfitting an Eagle cause I loved mine. I mainly fight in my DBS but it is kitted out for distance and survivability, not pure fighting.

 

[stripealipe]

Wow. Just going for the hot buttons, eh?

Quit making as much money as you do (in real life) because it changes the tax rate. Quit voting for the party I think is the most useless as you are affecting the political scene and I can't stop you. Quit buying so much soda as you are encouraging weight gain.

Think of your own examples - 50 points. You have 10 minutes. Go!

Someone, behind the scenes, makes decisions behind my back in government. I can go chain myself to parliament railings and cause a stir.
Something far away across the planet annoys me somewhat in the way they act? I can get support and maybe go help or make a difference.

It's not about simply picking up a gun here... it's about having influence. Cause and effect.

 

[Jockey79]

.....why can't we get a FAQ. ....

Because no one would read it - that is the simple answer.
Can I prove what I have said?
Sure - as I have been providing answers for months on this very topic;

From the third post, out of the second thread on this topic;


From the Kickstarter;
*And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours...*
*you will be able to control who else you might encounter in your game – perhaps limit it to just your friends? Cooperate on adventures or chase your friends down to get that booty. The game will work in a seamless, lobby-less way, with the ability to rendezvous with friends
*Play it your way*
Your reputation is affected by your personal choices. Play the game your way: dangerous pirate, famous explorer or notorious assassin - the choice is yours to make. Take on missions and affect the world around you, alone or with your friends.*
*You simply play the game, and depending on your configuration (your choice) *
*We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will,*

Some Dev comments from the Kickstarter;



https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...omment-1681441
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...omment-1705397
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...omment-1705551

From the forum archives;
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6300

All Players Group– Players in this group will be matched with each other as much as possible to ensure as many human players can meet and play together
Private Group – Players in this group will only be matched with other players in the same private group
Solo Group – Players in this group won’t be matched with anyone else ever (effectively a private group with no one else invited)
(All by a Lead Designer)

Also DB on Multiplayer and Grouping and Single (01:00 - 02:01) Plus how the Galaxy will evolve over time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5JY...kuz6s&index=18
"DB explicitly said that solo players would be able to do community goals, though back then they weren't called that. Dev Diary Video #2, at the 4:10 mark."

DB on "Griefing" and "Griefers"
(Listen out for the part where FD can move them in to a private group of just each other)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5hqjxmf4M

Rededit Topic on "unusual event for players to come against players" (With Twitch Video)
http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangero...ayers_to_come/

Direct Twitch Link; (Note DB use "Occasonial" and "unusual" regarding players interacting)
http://www.twitch.tv/egx/b/571962295?t=69m00s

Also, MMO does not mean "social" (It means lots of people connected)

Wikipedia;
A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet. MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ.

Oxford English Dictionary (Online);
An online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously .


Dev comments;

Originally Posted by Michael Brookes

Originally Posted by Numi
Will at any time solo and private group play be separated into a different universe/database from open play? It's kind of cheap that you can be safe from many things in solo, like player blockades and so on, and still affect the same universe.



No.

Michael

Originally Posted by Michael Brookes

Originally Posted by Robert Maynard
Thanks for that clarity Michael.

Are you in a position to confirm that group switching between the three game modes will remain as a feature of the game?



We're not planning on changing that.

Michael

Originally Posted by Michael Brookes

Originally Posted by mosh_er
Hi Micheal

I know you said that solo/group and open will always use the same universe, can you also say that there will be no specific perks in playing in one mode over another? i.e bigger profit from trading in open or bigger bounties?



None are planned at the moment.

Michael

Originally Posted by David Braben AMA Thread, post 319

Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape
In the newsletter, it was mentioned that an intersection between a trading power and a military power will result in piracy missions.

Will this make NPC piracy more profitable or will we continue to need to focus on players?



It can be more profitable, and it will apply to both players and NPCs.

Originally Posted by David Braben AMA Thread, post #367

Originally Posted by Adept
For fun

That said, it could be worth thinking about reducing the impact that solo & group players have on the political simulation.





Unlike community goals, Powerplay is a swinging balance - ie solo players are also balancing solo players.

Originally Posted by David Braben

Originally Posted by FuzzySpider
The mechanics of powerplay, particularly the interface between player and power being an almost direct copy of the community goal model, gives the entire experience an MMO-guild type feel to the gameplay.


Is this MMO-style a new direction for Elite: Dangerous? Or will you be still focussing on the single player immersive experience, even if that single player is playing in a universe filled with other players?


Thank's very much to you and the FDev team for all of your efforts. One or two subjective niggles of mine aside the game is the one I've been waiting for for years and I'm totally enamoured with it.




We are supporting multiplayer and the solo experience. Community Goals are carrying on too.



E3 2015 Interview (17th June 2015);

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/0...-david-braben/


The overall thread topic (+ How XB1 fits);



On that last point, Producer Ben Dowie reiterated that Xbox One and PC players won’t be playing head-to-head—although they’ll be playing in the same simulated universe, they’ll never encounter each other in space, likely because Microsoft’s Xbox patch cycle adds complexity to Frontier’s game update procedure. This means that PC players and Xbox players will often wind up on different clients, which means no head-to-head play. To that end, anticipated PC-centric features will likely land on PC first.



And regarding the game design;



I pointed out that there’s frequent contention online about the “right” way to play, be it casual or hard-core, and Braben agreed. “But there shouldn’t be a ‘right’ way,” he said. “You should do what makes you excited. I don’t want there to be a ‘right’ way, because then you’re not necessarily playing the way you want to play. And people have come up with lots of suggestions, some of them very constructive and sensible, and we do listen, and people hopefully have seen that we’ve changed things and adjusted things, but not in a way—we hope!—to upset people. We’re doing it to make the game better!”



To highlight something from that above quote;


“You should do what makes you excited. I don’t want there to be a ‘right’ way, because then you’re not necessarily playing the way you want to play."


Here is a quote from Zac Antonaci for the "game is dying" pro-claimers.
Dated 10th July 2015;

Originally Posted by Zac Antonaci

Originally Posted by fred
They need to be.


Look at the current posts on the subreddit and the forum. Your core player base is simply stopping playing. You might be selling copies but if your core community is splitting or stopping playing then you have a problem.



Hey Fred,


I wanted to reply to this honestly if I may.


I'm not going to be talking about active player numbers explicitally but I can tell you without question that the game has a very healthy and thriving community who enjoys hours upon hours of Elite. You really don't need to worry on that point.


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Zac

Originally Posted by Zac Antonaci
According to some members of the community, Solo players should have a limited or no effect on Powerplay - or, alternatively, playing in Open should offer Powerplay bonuses. Is this something you are considering?

No. For us Solo, Groups and Open are all valid and equal ways to play the game.



And a nice, clear, concise comment from Michael Brookes regarding the modes;

Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices. While we are aware that some players disagree, this hasn't changed for us.

Michael

 

[Dave1235]

After I managed to upgrade from a T-6 to a T-7 i am thinking of reoutfitting an Eagle cause I loved mine. I mainly fight in my DBS but it is kitted out for distance and survivability, not pure fighting.

I have an Asp set up for mining, an ASP for armed trading, a type 6 I use for rares in open mainly and now a Cobra.

I did the math last night and I reckon my total worth is 137 mil CR, less any losses on sale, I have read a lot about how good the Python is at ~ 57 mill CR start price, I was thinking of selling everything and getting one. I think I will wait a few weeks, I want to keep my vulture as I love the RES's and maybe my cheap Asp as I want to do a bit more mining then refit her as an explorer, possibly fuel rat one day.

ETA

How do you find the T7, I have only traded rares recently, I read they are a pig to fly?

 

[Daffan]

The fact that this topic is close to reaching 10.000 comments, (and it will) says something alone.

In my dearest, deepest, strongly suggested opinion.
The different modes... SHOULD. BE. SEPERATED. End of story.

I have have no idea who you are but i would vote for you.

The devs want egalitarian equality blooh blah for the three game modes yet OPEN is by far the least efficient, has the most risk - and is the one that can propagate the game further in the areas of sandbox and social interaction, yet - is the red headed step child that gets no love, incentive. Too the people who think buffing open will change the game in their favor, it is actually solo that undermines open already.

 

[Cody]

The devs want egalitarian equality blooh blah for the three game modes yet OPEN is by far the least efficient, has the most risk - and is the one that can propagate the game further in the areas of sandbox and social interaction, yet - is the red headed step child that gets no love, incentive.

Open is the red-headed step-child, eh - sumptuous, is that!

 

[Mouse]

I have have no idea who you are but i would vote for you.

The devs want egalitarian equality blooh blah for the three game modes yet OPEN is by far the least efficient, has the most risk - and is the one that can propagate the game further in the areas of sandbox and social interaction, yet - is the red headed step child that gets no love, incentive. Too the people who think buffing open will change the game in their favor, it is actually solo that undermines open already.

What are you smoking? how is Open the "red headed step child that gets no love"? You sound like a spoiled child who see's the other children get as much love as you get and throws a tantrum because your not your parent's favorite and doted on more than others. The idea that solo undermines open and that open is this magic place that seperates the men from the boys or what ever other claptrap you want to think it is, is utter crap.

 

[Mouse]

I have an Asp set up for mining, an ASP for armed trading, a type 6 I use for rares in open mainly and now a Cobra.

I did the math last night and I reckon my total worth is 137 mil CR, less any losses on sale, I have read a lot about how good the Python is at ~ 57 mill CR start price, I was thinking of selling everything and getting one. I think I will wait a few weeks, I want to keep my vulture as I love the RES's and maybe my cheap Asp as I want to do a bit more mining then refit her as an explorer, possibly fuel rat one day.

ETA

How do you find the T7, I have only traded rares recently, I read they are a pig to fly?

IF I sold everyhing I could still be 10 mil short of a T7. I think it was Cubeo that I saw it they are about 17 mil per. I've never traded a Rare before I mainly do normal stuff. And one day I may get an asp

 

[JeffRyan]

I love things just the way they are...

Reminds me of a song.

 

[Dave1235]

I just got slapped by an AI wing, I got all 3 of them but I had to run from the last one with no shields, I was kiteing him for 5 mins whist my shields regened.

Upon landing I had a big bill, I guess having 25% hull left will do that, and now I have a bloody warzone on my doorstep. Ooohhh Conflict zones, new shiney thing I gotta go look

 

[Mouse]

I just got slapped by an AI wing, I got all 3 of them but I had to run from the last one with no shields, I was kiteing him for 5 mins whist my shields regened.

Upon landing I had a big bill, I guess having 25% hull left will do that, and now I have a bloody warzone on my doorstep. Ooohhh Conflict zones, new shiney thing I gotta go look

I've heard the bills for Asp repairs are not cheap.

 

[relayer]

I did the math last night and I reckon my total worth is 137 mil CR, less any losses on sale, I have read a lot about how good the Python is at ~ 57 mill CR start price, I was thinking of selling everything and getting one.

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ETA

How do you find the T7, I have only traded rares recently, I read they are a pig to fly?

I'd hold off on the Python. You want at least 100mil CR to outfit it, then 5mil buyback (or 10mil, double assurance).
Here's my 212 cargo trade-outfitted Python. Notice it has double the cargo of a stock T-7. It also can land at outposts, which a T-7 cannot. You could always drop some modules in class to get a bit more range or cargo, but this config is one tough cookie, even without guns. For contrast, here's a kitted-out T-7. I'd keep your other ships because... I keep ships

... aannndddd we're off-topic here *goes to sit on the naughty step*

 

[relayer]

Someone, behind the scenes, makes decisions behind my back in government. I can go chain myself to parliament railings and cause a stir.
Something far away across the planet annoys me somewhat in the way they act? I can get support and maybe go help or make a difference.

It's not about simply picking up a gun here... it's about having influence. Cause and effect.

Yup, yup *nods* it's the same for PowerPlay. You have exactly the same tools to influence the Powers as solo does. This has been explained many times in this thread, but never acknowledged by the pewpew crowd, as they want to influence things by direct combat.

Politics don't work that way.

You can't play chess and then arbitrarily shoot your opponent because he/she is winning or has better gambits than you, because at that point you're not playing chess anymore.

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I love things just the way they are...

Reminds me of a song.

The Return of the Jeff! Can the wandering Steve be far behind?

<wb>

 

[Julissa Silver]

I'm here to demand that payouts in ELITE be scaled based upon what footwear a player wears while playing - 8"+ suicide platforms should be the most lucrative for reward, down through 5" heels, then kitten heels and finally flats or bare feet.

Won't anyone think of the TERRIBLE RISK when I have to dash to the bathroom or the kitchen to make tea?

I deserve compensation.

 

[Cody]

<looks at bare feet - sobs>

 

[Julissa Silver]

<looks at bare feet - sobs>

Always fleeing to bare feet any time you want a sandwich. You bare foot people make me sick.

*Throws shoes at Code*
(Ahem, Freudian slip there, perhaps? Obviously, I was AIMING at Cody)