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Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn
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Okay, so at the risk of drawing us in a full circle. @knowles2 is right - it's supposed to be pretty obvious, and I'm pretty sure we're all intelligent folks (not sure about Kerrash tho, right
) - so what is the simplest explanation?The facts are on the wiki, of course but in terms of behaviour - it:
- Makes an alien/insectoid sound Edit - see Clavain's post a couple pages along And Whale/turtle-like sounds.
- Taps out (or rather gurgles out), in Morse, the name of the local body or system, depending on proximity to the nearest body.
- Expires in line with all other dropped cargo, except it does have a unique animation for this (and sound)
- Does corrosive damage to the carrier's ship
- Can only be found being transported in human convoys
- The pilots in the convoy don't know what it is
- ...and don't appear to have been well-prepared for carrying it
-...and the places where these convoys are found doesn't seem to centre on any one particular area (does everyone agree with this?)
- Looks like it contains 'something' or a lot of 'something's
- Is surrounded by fairy-like sparks that move a bit like flies when viewed from a certain distance
- Causes visual distortion when viewed from a certain distance, specifically, it blurs the objects that are behind the UA from the observer's POV
So, again - ignoring all the tests that have been tried, all the theories that have been put forward. Based on this information alone, what *is* it? Most logical answers please - and let's see if we can't come up with next steps from that. If you'd humour a tired 'scientist'
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On my way from Peregrina ... I took the Saga - Azaleach route .... granted not the economical one .... but as my courier only has a 13 ly jump range ....
Stopped and scanned systems along the way spent a little time looking at SS-- nothing exciting
I am still of the opinion that Azalleach is NOT necessarily on the direct route of starship one - was just where they chose to hold the CG. The trick is the last contact with Halsey 75ly from Azaleach ..... but ya im most probably wrong
You are a testing MACHINE !
I'm bummed to, but I still not ready to drop the rares angle. The hint was strong.
The ingame description of HIP Proto-Squid is interesting:
"HIP Proto-Squid
Classification Rare Commodity
Type Foods
Galactic Average Price 1,488
Produced by ---
Consumed by ---
Location Andersson Station, HIP 41181
Though there is no genetic link between the huge creatures of HIP 41181 and the now extinct squid once found on ancient Earth, the evolutionary similarities are remarkable. Perhaps they share some ancient space faring ancestor. There was much protest at the use of these animals as food. Claims of sentience still remain high on the agenda of those trying to stamp out the trade."
Please note the sentence: "Perhaps they share some ancient space faring ancestor."
Squid are also known to have light organs.
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By the end of this post, you will appreciate that I know 'Chemistry Stuff' like I know the back of your hand...
All those combinations of canisters dropped with a UA were hoping for a reaction, whether energetic or chemical or... something scientificky. Sadly, possible game mechanics handwaving aside, the only reaction that could generally have occurred would have been the chance of reactions between the UA and the external material of a cannister. And then, anyway, still nothing happened upon the destruction of cannisters. However, the UA (and its fog and spores) does regularly come into direct contact with other materials and chemical elements.
First, there is the ship itself, which it delights in slowly destroying. Little if anything new to be learned there - although the recent news item which speaks of energy damaging a ship rather than toxicity has gone some way into reopening the whole "Nature of the Systems Damage" debate in my own brainbox.
Second, which I cannot see as being experimented with on the Wiki, is the ship's atmosphere. I do apologise if I've simply missed this being tried in those vids I have seen but...
Has a Bearer switched off Life Support while a UA remains aboard their vessel and waited to see if systems damage reduces or completely ceases - possibly because the spores are no longer interacting with the chemicals present in that atmosphere?
All those combinations of canisters dropped with a UA were hoping for a reaction, whether energetic or chemical or... something scientificky. Sadly, possible game mechanics handwaving aside, the only reaction that could generally have occurred would have been the chance of reactions between the UA and the external material of a cannister. And then, anyway, still nothing happened upon the destruction of cannisters. However, the UA (and its fog and spores) does regularly come into direct contact with other materials and chemical elements.
First, there is the ship itself, which it delights in slowly destroying. Little if anything new to be learned there - although the recent news item which speaks of energy damaging a ship rather than toxicity has gone some way into reopening the whole "Nature of the Systems Damage" debate in my own brainbox.
Second, which I cannot see as being experimented with on the Wiki, is the ship's atmosphere. I do apologise if I've simply missed this being tried in those vids I have seen but...
Has a Bearer switched off Life Support while a UA remains aboard their vessel and waited to see if systems damage reduces or completely ceases - possibly because the spores are no longer interacting with the chemicals present in that atmosphere?
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I know maybe someone already asked this or tried it but: What happens when you destroy it?
Edit: I guess you tried it
Edit: I guess you tried it
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Ok last try if this gets buried in the moderator-needs-to-approve-this-post-queue again and only shows up after the thread moved on 5 pages I give up.
I am just going to copy my latest post (which just appeared a few pages back after several hours):
I really hope it works this time.
I am just going to copy my latest post (which just appeared a few pages back after several hours):
I already posted this but my posts had to go through moderator approval which buried them and nobody seemed to notice. Since it seems my posts show up immediatly now I just repeat myself and hope that people at least tell my I am crazy and to shut up. (Better yet would be confirmation that i am right)
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I am a long time viewer of this forum and finally made an account because I think I am on to something. Civilian Outposts have an antenna like or antenna tower like structure. If you get close to it you hear a sound that I think sounds a bit like the UAs whale sound. Also those Towers have things on them that look like microphones. As I am playing on a Xbox at the moment I have no Idea how to take a screenshot let alone a sound recording. I would ask you nice people to fly to civilian outposts and listen to it to tell me if I am crazy or if those structures DO sound a bit like the UA (and maybe even take pictures if the "microphones").
If others think so I would humbly ask someone with an UA to drop it near the "microphones" to see if something happens.
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I had some time and checked my theory again. The "microphones" on top of the tower seem to emit the sound. If you are really close to them you also hear the purrs. I am really convinced now that these things on the Towers on civilian outposts make a sound very similar to the ones the UA makes. I would be really happy if someone could confirm this.
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I am a long time viewer of this forum and finally made an account because I think I am on to something. Civilian Outposts have an antenna like or antenna tower like structure. If you get close to it you hear a sound that I think sounds a bit like the UAs whale sound. Also those Towers have things on them that look like microphones. As I am playing on a Xbox at the moment I have no Idea how to take a screenshot let alone a sound recording. I would ask you nice people to fly to civilian outposts and listen to it to tell me if I am crazy or if those structures DO sound a bit like the UA (and maybe even take pictures if the "microphones").
If others think so I would humbly ask someone with an UA to drop it near the "microphones" to see if something happens.
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I had some time and checked my theory again. The "microphones" on top of the tower seem to emit the sound. If you are really close to them you also hear the purrs. I am really convinced now that these things on the Towers on civilian outposts make a sound very similar to the ones the UA makes. I would be really happy if someone could confirm this.
I really hope it works this time.
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Okay, so at the risk of drawing us in a full circle. @knowles2 is right - it's supposed to be pretty obvious, and I'm pretty sure we're all intelligent folks (not sure about Kerrash tho, right
The facts are on the wiki, of course but in terms of behaviour - it:
- Makes an alien/insectoid sound
- Taps out (or rather gurgles out), in Morse, the name of the local body or system, depending on proximity to the nearest body.
- Expires in line with all other dropped cargo, except it does have a unique animation for this (and sound)
- Does corrosive damage to the carrier's ship
- Can only be found being transported in human convoys
- The pilots in the convoy don't know what it is
- ...and don't appear to have been well-prepared for carrying it
-...and the places where these convoys are found doesn't seem to centre on any one particular area (does everyone agree with this?)
- Looks like it contains 'something' or a lot of 'something's
- Is surrounded by fairy-like sparks that move a bit like flies when viewed from a certain distance
- Causes visual distortion when viewed from a certain distance, specifically, it blurs the objects that are behind the UA from the observer's POV
So, again - ignoring all the tests that have been tried, all the theories that have been put forward. Based on this information alone, what *is* it? Most logical answers please - and let's see if we can't come up with next steps from that. If you'd humour a tired 'scientist'
I'm still thinking that an Alien that talks morse is an oxymoron...
We should take as Canon the fact that the UA is an Hybrid Alien/Uman thing, made by humans with Alien Technology.
The ONLY other explaination is that an Alien race is trying to communicate with us, perhaps they found the Voyager, so they are using morse for us to understand. Instead the Morse is "carefully" hidden...
But as the UA is not talking anything interesting, but just identifying its nearest object, that for me is the definitive proof of its
Different if it said "hello".
I know maybe someone already asked this or tried it but: What happens when you destroy it?
Edit: I guess you tried it
It explodes. BOOM.
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Someone should check this immediately! Another proof that it could be human at all and that it's transmitting to "someone"...
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YA the idea of shooting canisters to "release" the contents has crossed my mind .... but as you say ... in a nod to game mechanics (where mineral traders can teleport canisters from your ship) I was hoping that just having them in the "vicinity" might count. Interesting idea about the life support... The deterioration of the UA and the eating of ships internals indicates to me that it is neither at "home" in space or in an oxygen environment ... possibly part of a larger ammonia environment based "ship" ?
if the sound it makes depends on the nearest celestial object to it then that probably is the key right? Maybe it "unlocks" once it scans the right object near to it. Perhaps an Alien race really found the Voyager and sent this thing for us.
My point is: Have you tried bringing it to Sol and most importantly to Earth? Observe it's reaction?
After all, FD said that we are over complicating things and that the answer is fairly simple right?
My point is: Have you tried bringing it to Sol and most importantly to Earth? Observe it's reaction?
After all, FD said that we are over complicating things and that the answer is fairly simple right?
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Have you tried replacing the space between the "COL" and "285" with a hyphen or underscore? Might just be a typo in the map data.
You are right - things move very fast here (although nobody is really sure where we are going
) - this is indeed worth checking out, and hopefully somebody will pick this up. Repping you as well - for first taking part, but also for your patience
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Or it is just made so that it can not be contained and reverse-engineered by humans.
You are right - things move very fast here (although nobody is really sure where we are going
Thank you for the rep.
And yay finally my post show up right away.
I really hope someone proves me right soon. I am sitting at an outpost listening to it it does sound like the UA. If nothing happens soon I will go crazy.
Yes, I've noticed this sound too, only really noticeable if you get close to the top of that tower. It MIGHT be nothing - it could just be indicative that Frontier reuse (or have lots of similar) ambient comms signal noises. Or it could be something to match the UAs sound against. Interesting!
I think it is to similiar to be just reused sound. But than again I am going crazy.
So this is the thing - I agree a hybrid of either way (alien first, human after; human first, alient after) is plausible - but until we find out its true nature we don't *know* and so can't assume either way and certainly cannot assume it as 'canon'.
I'm not criticising you - just trying to focus the mind, get that 'mental rigour' the community around this thread is (I think) famous for (some say just 'mental' I know!).
The next step must come purely from our observations of the thing as it appears in front of us, and, I think, the one piece of behaviour we have that we know we can influence reliably: the Morse that is emitted. After extensive study, no other behaviour like this has been found. Anomalies, yes, but it's all apparently random.
So I ask the question - what would you do with an object that knows where it is in space, which seems automatically to scan the nearest large mass (since it does stations too) and echo its name - *even when your ship doesn't yet 'know' that name*?
As I've said before - it's being transported by humans, and it's a dangerous thing to transport, so it must have some use. Or is it simply the case that it's value is just that - as an Artefact, and that the 'secret' is only unlocked by allowing the market to be flooded with the things?
Wasn't it Einstein who said the definition of insanity: looking for something hard to find in one of 400,000,000,000 possible locations, hard to get, hard to keep, then hard to decipher? I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
There are no sane people left on this thread. Sanity is for the weak.
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