Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[Dommarraa]

Do you think the location the wing ends up in and the loss of the Conda indicate a miss jump like SS1?

Do they always end up in deep space after loosing a Conda?

Do they always loos a Conda?

If not, do they still end up in deep space?

Is the slaved UA carrying T9 the key?

No mis-jump involved, the UA Convoy behaves exactly the same as a Halfnium Convoy which is where I got most of my experience (I did follow a UA convoy once). The Condas sometimes appear in system, but are no longer part of the wing. Quite sure it is just a bug, or a feature allowing lower ranks to get involved
The T9 seems to normally lose 1 on the 1st jump, but not always. The 2nd can stick around for ages, or can vanish on the next jump.

 

[Han_Zen]

No mis-jump involved, the UA Convoy behaves exactly the same as a Halfnium Convoy which is where I got most of my experience (I did follow a UA convoy once). The Condas sometimes appear in system, but are no longer part of the wing. Quite sure it is just a bug, or a feature allowing lower ranks to get involved
The T9 seems to normally lose 1 on the 1st jump, but not always. The 2nd can stick around for ages, or can vanish on the next jump.

Thanks. Good to know. They tend to end up in odd places after jump, but that could be wing jumping or a bug.

Maybe we have to look at the Orca again.
It seems to match the description of the Antares quite well.

 

[Kyp Shard]

Do you think the location the wing ends up in and the loss of the Conda indicate a miss jump like SS1?

Do they always end up in deep space after loosing a Conda?

Do they always loos a Conda?

If not, do they still end up in deep space?

Is the slaved UA carrying T9 the key?

Could this be why the escorts disappear? So a T9 carrying a UA might trigger a misjump in a winged large vessel during a slaved jump?

edit: ie, a combination of wing jump mechanics plus module degradation in the T9 carrying the UA

We need to reproduce the UA convoy. A T9 with a UA and two Anacondas in a wing. As the UA degrades the modules in the T9, the mis-jump will occur either to the Anacondas or eventually to the T9 after the annies get dumped in malfunctioned wing jumps.

edit: I've taken the liberty of adding this to the proposed testing regimen on the wiki

I think it's pertinent that the escorting anacondas drop out as you follow the convoy, eventually leaving the T9 alone. Where do they go? Why? And Why Anacondas - to protect the T9 or to be sent by the T9 somewhere on the offensive?

@Han Zen I think we're onto something here, but it keeps getting buried, this thread is motoring!

Folks, check the last item on the Proposed Testing Regimen on the wiki http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Artefact

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No mis-jump involved, the UA Convoy behaves exactly the same as a Halfnium Convoy which is where I got most of my experience (I did follow a UA convoy once). The Condas sometimes appear in system, but are no longer part of the wing. Quite sure it is just a bug, or a feature allowing lower ranks to get involved
The T9 seems to normally lose 1 on the 1st jump, but not always. The 2nd can stick around for ages, or can vanish on the next jump.

Thanks. Good info.

 

[Arcanonn]

@Han Zen I think we're onto something here, but it keeps getting buried, this thread is motoring!

Folks, check the last item on the Proposed Testing Regimen on the wiki http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Artefact

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Thanks. Good info.

Def worth a shot, I cant see it being that much of a logistical feat (but I've been completely wrong before.....many times!).......however it will certainly make for a good video.

 

[Astaldor]

I recently waited for some ceremonial heike tea to restock and flipped through thefunction tab.
I realized that there is reboot&repair and selfdestruct function.
After some tries I managed to get into hyperjump short before the function jumped in and rebooted my ship's computer.
Nothing happened to me but can someone with a UA please try that?

 

[Nicholas Powell]

Biscuit Barrel Bump & Grind
Sunday 9th August - 1700hrs BST - Mobius - Timocani - 4+hrs
Still on until or unless it's made moot

Functionality and Refinement Notes. Contributors please read but beware. Here follows a 600+ words wall of text. Spoilerised so people scrolling through the thread with no interest in the exercise don't start to think I'm getting paid by the word and am taking impish glee in making an already enormous thread bigger for the sake of it. Or just even more difficult to keep up with!

Spoiler

Time's ticking by... and perhaps the bell will be ringing on Wednesday and perhaps we have until the arrival of 1.4, perhaps some point in-between, but it's fairly explicit that Kerrash's last hinty communique has established a deadline mentality amongst us.

It seems very likely that Biscuit Barrel may come too late. But it's on until it's not on, and later today I shall be posting what may be another wall of text with some notes intended to make it as efficient and successful as possible on Sunday. By posting it, two positive outcomes will be comfortably possible for all of us between then and go-time.
We can refine the plan as required, and we can get the plan down pat prior to the curtain going up.

Then, probably Wednesday should Gamescom not make all this thoroughly moot, I shall post a draft proposal for a test regimen for the 'disposable' UA we hope to acquire - which shall be an effort to cram as many quick-fire tests into the run-up to an Expiration test. The basic model for the very final (and most important?) test shall be what I have come to think of as the Gun Your Engines In Case It Goes Somewhere And You Can Tag Along Test. I'm sure you know which one I mean, though I shall be less flip about it in that later post. (The Get In Your Type-9s And Eat All The Pies Test might make a supplementary showing under a different name.)

I originally stated that it was planned for a vote to be had to determine the ultimate use of that UA.
But we are now on the clock. This is triage territory we're now in thanks to that and, if anything, we've shown that we are a furiously changeable bunch when it comes to options and theories - which would by nature undermine any hope for a solid plan in the apparently short time we have left.

As for the Sell It option, though? Unless there is some massively vocal (and, to be frank, impressively convincing rather than simply enthusiastic and excitable) support for the Sell It option AND a reason for one specific location AND this comes from enough commanders honestly committing themselves to helping make Biscuit Barrel a success in the first place... with respect to that ticking clock, it would seem to be a dead option.

In any case, as with the forthcoming camp-out notes, the test regimen shall be up for enough time for refinements to be comfortably made prior to Sunday. We can all be on the same page. Admittedly, it's more an exercise in dispassionate co-operation than it is in having individual fun. Can't be helped. Inherent nature of the beast.

It's not my intention to play Squadron Leader Powell on this. Other commanders are definitely higher up the Canonn 'totem pole' than I am, or really want to be anyway. Certainly, come Sunday, I will prefer to just be equally 'just in the mix' of all contributors. Indeed, I am merrily resolved to the greater likelihood of losing an expensive Anaconda by drawing fire for as long as aggro-suicidally possible rather than being the one to scoop a UA and get out of Dodge. Or Timocani.
To be perfectly honest, I have negligible personal expectations that Expiration will reveal anything of any real use to us. But that's kind of why I've been pushing this. That's kind of the point.
The purpose of Biscuit Barrel is, as originally stated, to acquire an Unknown Artefact for finite testing which will get that off the table of options and theories. (Hopefully within the time we have left!)

Anyhow! Enough wordage. Good hunting to those of you out there now and good luck with current test plans to MrThree and RatKing. (And hats off to anybody combing prior test footage for missed clues.)

 

[LordZoltan]

Just so everyone knows Kerrash repped this post, in case anyone has doubts

So the UA and the answer to it is some kind of hint or precursor to whatever is coming in the announcement.....

My guess? Either Thargoid invasion or Halsey's coming back with the Thargoids in tow.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're coming back to hunt down all the jokers(!) who've been carrying their brethren in the holds of their ships when they clearly want to get out

I'm really not convinced by the misjump theory - primarily because it's possible to follow these convoys with wake scanners. Yes, I know SS1 was using some highly advanced, experimental, drive, that might not leave a wake (accounting for why it couldn't be followed) - but it's a bit of a stretch.

That said - any and all tests you guys can perform between now and when this thing is 'unlocked' are all good. You have the UAs - you can do what you want

For me SS1 screams conspiracy through and through; and I would genuinely not be surprised to learn that UAs are also linked to the same conspiracy - I know I've said this a few times now, so sorry for repeating myself.

Fwiw, a large part of me thinks, along with a few others, the 'unlock' part of Kerrash's statement is connected with regions of space being unlocked. How that links to the UA is an interesting proposition, though: possibly a capsule containing survivors (that should be returned), or just some tech.

That Morse, though, is still deeply troublesome in either case. So that other idea of old humans linking up with aliens and doing some collaborative development is a nice explanation.

Great theorising all-round btw, people, the science really is hitting the fan right now - I just hope the explosion that comes out of it all was worth it

 

[Vipertech]

Biscuit Barrel Bump & Grind
Sunday 9th August - 1700hrs BST - Mobius - Timocani - 4+hrs
Still on until or unless it's made moot

Just to let you know, I intend on being there with one, possibly two, friends! I hope we can figure something out before gamescom, but I kind of doubt it with so few UAs available...

 

[bitstorm]

I raised it too. I dont think there are any fluent morsers checking all the recordings, but there are a few people who believe they would be able to spot when it was not as expected.

I check my stuff where I think it makes sense.

You have to understand though how time-consuming it can be.

I mean once you've recorded, cropped, uploaded and posted you have to rip the audio then sit down with some headphones repeat playing over and over till you can fine something recognisable then trace it through letter by letter.

Maybe some people can translate just like that but it's a laborious and time-consuming process for my unskilled ears.

I also don't think there's any magic in translating these, it just takes a bit of time and effort, anyone can do it if they want to, I do not know morse.

 

[Vipertech]

I check my stuff where I think it makes sense.

You have to understand though how time-consuming it can be.

I mean once you've recorded, cropped, uploaded and posted you have to rip the audio then sit down with some headphones repeat playing over and over till you can fine something recognisable then trace it through letter by letter.

Maybe some people can translate just like that but it's a laborious process for my unskilled ears.

I understand completely! I only wish I were good enough to help with it, but all I can do is brainstorm and theorize haha.

 

[Arcanonn]

Wouldn't be surprised if they're coming back to hunt down all the jokers(!) who've been carrying their brethren in the holds of their ships when they clearly want to get out

I'm really not convinced by the misjump theory - primarily because it's possible to follow these convoys with wake scanners. Yes, I know SS1 was using some highly advanced, experimental, drive, that might not leave a wake (accounting for why it couldn't be followed) - but it's a bit of a stretch.

That said - any and all tests you guys can perform between now and when this thing is 'unlocked' are all good. You have the UAs - you can do what you want

For me SS1 screams conspiracy through and through; and I would genuinely not be surprised to learn that UAs are also linked to the same conspiracy - I know I've said this a few times now, so sorry for repeating myself.

Fwiw, a large part of me thinks, along with a few others, the 'unlock' part of Kerrash's statement is connected with regions of space being unlocked. How that links to the UA is an interesting proposition, though: possibly a capsule containing survivors (that should be returned), or just some tech.

That Morse, though, is still deeply troublesome in either case. So that other idea of old humans linking up with aliens and doing some collaborative development is a nice explanation.

Great theorising all-round btw, people, the science really is hitting the fan right now - I just hope the explosion that comes out of it all was worth it

Indeed on all counts........Way back when https://elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/e4997791212280957af91846c238aef9b78d15d8 but we arn't any further forward

 

[Dommarraa]

I thought Regor had been tested, but it isnt on the Wiki, and it may be that people have just assumed it was too far away to bother testing. It isnt.

Could a UA Guardian just idiot check it please. Search for REGOR on the Galaxy Map from within 1000ly and see if you can plot a route. It is only 1065ly from Timoncani, so should not be difficult.
Regor Sector BA-A E3 appears as "Requires Unknown Permit" on my map.

 

[knowles2]

a 2000ly round trip with a UA on board I suspect would be a bit difficult, especially the return trip.

 

[bitstorm]

I thought Regor had been tested, but it isnt on the Wiki, and it may be that people have just assumed it was too far away to bother testing. It isnt.

Could a UA Guardian just idiot check it please. Search for REGOR on the Galaxy Map from within 1000ly and see if you can plot a route. It is only 1065ly from Timoncani, so should not be difficult.
Regor Sector BA-A E3 appears as "Requires Unknown Permit" on my map.

I checked it the other day and could not, Regor is all permitted off for a UA holder.

I checked ALL permit required systems (as listed in the permit thread) one by one, I could only do Crescent Nebula and Bubble Nebula but apparently they don't require permits for anyone so I just think it's that the permit thread is wrong on those two areas.

 

[Dommarraa]

a 2000ly round trip with a UA on board I suspect would be a bit difficult, especially the return trip.

I only want to check if it says locked. I would be happy to do 1000ly, would only take 1 hour while being carefull. The original theory required a Wing to take the UA somewhere. Sag A* and BLEIU are too far even for a Wing. Regor would be very easy.

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I checked it the other day and could not, Regor is all permitted off for a UA holder.

I checked ALL permit required systems (as listed in the permit thread) one by one, I could only do Crescent Nebula and Bubble Nebula but apparently they don't require permits for anyone so I just think it's that the permit thread is wrong on those two areas.

Regor added to the Wiki - I cant do the rest, the Wiki hates me

 

[Greyhart]

I have been coming across bulletin board missions to retrieve the Unknown artefact for various factions.

Is this the same thing? because reading the wiki article suggests not as it seems a rare object and they are only offering 30,000 for it.

 

[bitstorm]

I have been coming across bulletin board missions to retrieve the Unknown artefact for various factions.

Is this the same thing? because reading the wiki article suggests not as it seems a rare object and they are only offering 30,000 for it.

"Ancient Artefact"?

 

[Vipertech]

What areas are you finding these missions, and is is ancient or unknown? I'm thinking maybe if you accept one of the missions it might make a UA spawn more likely, much like with other missions? Of course, if I did this, I wouldn't turn it in to the mission. Just an idea.

 

[LordZoltan]

Indeed on all counts........Way back when https://elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/e4997791212280957af91846c238aef9b78d15d8 but we arn't any further forward

Painful isn't it

I suppose we have to think what explanation there is that could have been solved since 1.2. We have lots of debris fields in USS; so an SS1 debris field is a possibility I guess, but that all kicked off - perfectly demonstrated by that Galnet, after the UAs had been around for a while.

I had the distinct impression - but can we trust the sources of info - that this UA puzzle could have been solved straight away when the first was captured.

If so (and we trust the sources), that rules out being a key to finding SS1. It doesn't rule out being a key to some locked area of space; but I think the most accessible of these have indeed been attempted?

Perhaps after all this, the primary mystery was just the Morse - giving us a very suspect human link to mull over, till they can give us something else. This means that everything else we've been told about there being more is just a cunning tease to prevent the backlash - most importantly, all of what has come from Kerrash, not FD.

Plausible deniability I think they call that.

A pessimistic view, I know - but either way we're hopefully going to know in a day or two. Or, at least know *when* we're going know, if you see what I mean

 

[Arcanonn]

Painful isn't it

I suppose we have to think what explanation there is that could have been solved since 1.2. We have lots of debris fields in USS; so an SS1 debris field is a possibility I guess, but that all kicked off - perfectly demonstrated by that Galnet, after the UAs had been around for a while.

I had the distinct impression - but can we trust the sources of info - that this UA puzzle could have been solved straight away when the first was captured.

If so (and we trust the sources), that rules out being a key to finding SS1. It doesn't rule out being a key to some locked area of space; but I think the most accessible of these have indeed been attempted?

Perhaps after all this, the primary mystery was just the Morse - giving us a very suspect human link to mull over, till they can give us something else. This means that everything else we've been told about there being more is just a cunning tease to prevent the backlash - most importantly, all of what has come from Kerrash, not FD.

Plausible deniability I think they call that.

A pessimistic view, I know - but either way we're hopefully going to know in a day or two. Or, at least know *when* we're going know, if you see what I mean

You could be right, but for me it's just that we may have to face up to the fact that it could be solved (my money is going on it being a "DOH!" situation.......we had our chance to save humanity and we missed it.

I will however say that if I am right the person/people who came up with this puzzle need to explain themselves! I'm still treating this as a test bed (maybe FD are too) maybe they have learned a lot about how to add content with depth that's difficult, but no so obscure that everyone misses it!